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Help Needed For Proper Designations

Fri Oct 14, 2005 8:07 am

I should have asked this question before uploading 3 photos of retired CAF planes held in storage. I'm pretty sure I got some of the information wrong.
I need the proper descriptions for manufacturer, model, serial number etc.
The planes are 114184 a Canadair Tutor; 133654 a Silver Star; and 116845 a Canadian built? version of the Northrop F-5 Freedom Fighter.
I take few photos of military aircraft and my ignorance shows. A link to somewhere that I could get the info for myself would help. Actually, the Tutor should be easy for me to get as there are many Snowbird pics in the database.
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RE: Help Needed For Proper Designations

Fri Oct 14, 2005 8:26 am

Hi John
Official Canadian designations are: CT-114 Tutor, CT-133 Silver Star (T-33) & CF-116 Freedom Fighter. I never really understood why we couldn't just adopt the better known US designations, & in truth that's how most guys refer to the planes here anyway, with the exception of official correspondence.
By the way, if you have the serial number the first three digits are the designation number, with CT being trainers, CF fighters, CH helos & CC cargo/transport.
http://www.airforce.dnd.ca/equip/equip1_e.asp
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RE: Help Needed For Proper Designations

Fri Oct 14, 2005 9:06 am

They were all built by Canadair the (CF5)freedom fighter was under licence from Northrup, The T-bird from Lockheed, the Toot was designed by them from the ground up.

http://home.ca.inter.net/~rapickler/

Here's a link to Canadair History site.

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RE: Help Needed For Proper Designations

Fri Oct 14, 2005 11:26 am

Quoting WrenchBender (Reply 2):
They were all built by Canadair

Those particular planes were, but the A310, F/A-18, & C-130 weren't, yet they are officially designated CC-150, CF-188 & CC-130.
The letter designations make sense, but the numbers only seem to go by the serial numbers. We went from the CF-101, CF-104 & CF-116 to the CF-188, & from the CC-137 (707) to the CC-150. I know the F-16 was also considered when the F-18 was selected, but I doubt we looked at 70 other airplanes, so it's not a straight numerical order.
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RE: Help Needed For Proper Designations

Fri Oct 14, 2005 1:46 pm

Thanks guys, that is a big help. Regarding the numbered designations, it would appear that we were using US numbers until they started over again at 1. Canada decided to continue with 3 digit numbers, But I've no idea how they chose them.
 
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RE: Help Needed For Proper Designations

Fri Oct 14, 2005 1:58 pm

Quoting MissedApproach (Reply 1):
I never really understood why we couldn't just adopt the better known US designations,

It's simple. We have some planes that the US doesn't use. A310, Tutor, Buffalo, Hawk, Cormorant?, Twin Otter? Jet Ranger? Possibly others.
 
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RE: Help Needed For Proper Designations

Sat Oct 15, 2005 12:41 am

It all comes from our codification system, every item in the CF inventory has an Equipment Registration Number (ERN), this number is used for everything from manuals to family tree breakout for parts management. Such as 12-138-000.

Therefore we use a sequential numbering system for all items as follows:
11 Instructional equip
12 Aerospace Vehicles
13 Aerospace Accesories
14 Aerospace Engines
15 Aerospace Engine Accesories
23 Ships
30 Land Vehicles (Std Mil Pattern)

The Next group of numbers denotes the specific platform/item:
114 Tutor
115 Buffalo
124 Sea King
130 Hercules
138 Twin Otter
139 Jet Ranger
140 Aurora
142 Dash 8
146 Griffon
148 Cyclone
149 Cormorant
150 Polaris
155 Hawk
156 Harvard II
188 Hornet [Out of Sequence] 118 had been used previously(Iroquois)
The system prior to unification allowed for US numbers F104, T33, F101 etc which was difficult to manage when you had 3 services operating Aircraft, vehicles etc. numbers are selected at the start of the Aquisition process, that is why the Cyclone (Sea King replacement is ahead of the Cormorant).

The last group of numbers designates variants:
000 All models
A00 A model
B00 B model, etc
D00 Dual model (fighters)

MissedApproach do you see the resemblance to the NDID/CFTO system ?

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RE: Help Needed For Proper Designations

Sat Oct 15, 2005 6:44 am

Quoting WrenchBender (Reply 6):
do you see the resemblance to the NDID/CFTO system ?

Yup, makes much more sense with all the pieces in place, tks.
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