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India-US Air Force War Games!

Sun Nov 06, 2005 2:19 pm

Hi all,
The Indo-US joint air force Exercise(War Games) will begin on Nov 7th at Kalaikonda Air force base, West Bengal, India. Though there has been widespread allegations against this exercise by the political communities in West Bengal, Govt says the exercise is a 'GO'. Last Friday(nov 5th), the USAF team had landed at Kolkata Int. airport and are ready for the 2005 Indo-US War Games!! And other info available....?
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RE: India-US Air Force War Games!

Sun Nov 06, 2005 2:38 pm

This is actually the 2nd exercise the US has had with India recently. During the spring of 2004, The IAF and USAF participated in joint war games exercise called "Cope India" at the Gwailor.

These excercises are part of a broader US initiatives to build closer relations India and also an effort to assist the US Aerospace industry in its bid to secure a large order for equipment including a pending order for jet fighters from the Indian government.

btw-topic might be better off in the military forum then the civil avaition one.
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RE: India-US Air Force War Games!

Sun Nov 06, 2005 2:46 pm

There is nothing new about Indo-US co-operation in aviation for the past 5-6 decades.

The airbase at Charbhatia near Cuttack, and the US activities from there, is and has always been an open secret.

The more recent flights over Pakistan by IAF aircraft in collaboration with USAF aircraft at levels over 65000 feet are also not any longer very secret.
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RE: India-US Air Force War Games!

Sun Nov 06, 2005 2:57 pm

Quoting JoyA380B747 (Thread starter):
Though there has been widespread allegations against this exercise by the political communities in West Bengal, Govt says the exercise is a 'GO'.

Do anyone care what the useless and outdated West Bengal's Communist govt think? Who cares!
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RE: India-US Air Force War Games!

Sun Nov 06, 2005 5:31 pm

Quoting JoyA380B747 (Thread starter):
Though there has been widespread allegations against this exercise by the political communities in West Bengal

Only 81 people protested yesterday  Smile
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RE: India-US Air Force War Games!

Mon Nov 07, 2005 1:28 am

US has already sent a KC-10. From my count, they will also be deployiong 12 F-16s and an E-3.
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RE: India-US Air Force War Games!

Mon Nov 07, 2005 5:48 am

What flights over Pakistan? What permanent activities at the Indian base? Can you provide sources?
 
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RE: India-US Air Force War Games!

Sun Nov 13, 2005 1:57 pm

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RE: India-US Air Force War Games!

Fri Nov 25, 2005 3:03 pm

CannibalZ3,

Flights over Pakistan have been open secrets for quite a while ,however I distinctly remember that these had been discontinued ages ago. The flights were done by MiG 25's . No need for that now with google earth and all the satellites hovering above. I really do not think these were done along with USAF.

As far as USAF operations in Cuttack are concerned , I doubt it. USAF transport aircrafts have overflight and refuelling rights but this would be restricted to civillian airports definitely not millitary one's.

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RE: India-US Air Force War Games!

Sat Nov 26, 2005 10:29 pm

Quoting IndianFlyboy (Reply 8):
No need for that now with google earth and all the satellites hovering above

The Military Sattelites must have much better resolution.Does India have Spy sattelites.
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RE: India-US Air Force War Games!

Sat Nov 26, 2005 11:47 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 9):
The Military Sattelites must have much better resolution.Does India have Spy sattelites.
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It's not resolution that matters often but timing. Satellites small windows over target, and unfortunately people can find out what those timings are and use it to conceal activities and structures. Spy Planes, manned and unmanned, allow observation of targets without a fixed time schedule.
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RE: India-US Air Force War Games!

Mon Jan 30, 2006 4:34 pm

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 10):
Satellites small windows over target, and unfortunately people can find out what those timings are and use it to conceal activities and structures.

Similiar to what India did in 1998.

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RE: India-US Air Force War Games!

Mon Jan 30, 2006 4:51 pm

Quoting IndianFlyboy (Reply 8):
The flights were done by MiG 25's .

Yall still have operation Foxbats????

Getting parts for those clunkers has got to be a bitch now....I don't even think the russians have theirs in service anymore.

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 1):
This is actually the 2nd exercise the US has had with India recently

Not quite.....India deployed Jaguars to Alaska a couple years ago for "Cooperative Cope Thunder". I understand that set a record for the longest IAF flight and deployement.

So it would be at least 3.

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 4):
Hope India makes it 2-0.[Yeah I know most will dispute the results,but we all know right].

We know the 21st TFW out of Elmendorf had their arms tied behind their back by their operational rules.
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RE: India-US Air Force War Games!

Mon Jan 30, 2006 11:08 pm

I don't if I would call the Mig-25 a clunker. I am quite sure Hindustan Aeronautics is quite capable of making parts for the Foxbats if they needed. According to my sources this may be the last year for Indian Foxbats. India does have satellites in orbit, courtesy of Russia. I would not rely on Google Earth for my aerial reconnaissance needs. Unless you want picture of the Grand Canyon, or Paris, some of the resolution is quite pixelated.

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RE: India-US Air Force War Games!

Fri Feb 03, 2006 9:20 pm

During the Indain deployment to Alaska, did any USAF/USN aircraft take fuel from a IL-78? That is a picture I would like to see!

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RE: India-US Air Force War Games!

Sat Feb 04, 2006 9:42 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 12):
Yall still have operation Foxbats????

The IAF MiG-25s from the Trisonics recce squadron have been supposedly retired or was planned to be, though a lifetime extension was being considered.

Quoting Migfan (Reply 13):
India does have satellites in orbit, courtesy of Russia.

We put most of them up ourselves with our heavy lifters, except for the absolutely heaviest (4 ton+ commsat) GTO payloads that are currently launched on Ariane 5s. But that will change next year when GSLV Mark III rolls out. The original version of the GSLV itself can put 6-7 tons in LEO or 2-3 tons in GTO. The PSLV is also capable of LEO/SSO/GTO roles. There is at least one India spy sat - the innocuously named Technology Experiment Satellite (TES) which was launced back in 2001; it has a claimed reso of 'under 1metre'.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 12):

We know the 21st TFW out of Elmendorf had their arms tied behind their back by their operational rules.

Such a controlled environment is SOP for initial engagements. Besides I fail to see the whole point of discussing who-beat-whom. There are far more important considerations pertaining to handling interoperability and developing tactics.

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