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Boeing-designed X-45 Is Unmanned (new Article)

Thu Dec 08, 2005 3:34 am

Boeing displayed its vision of the future of air warfare Tuesday, a batlike model of a small fighter craft that exudes silent menace.

...it has no windows. And its profile is flat, four feet from top to bottom. At the front, where the cockpit should be, there's a gaping hole for engine air intake.

The airplane is "piloted" by someone watching a computer screen in a fortified trailer that can be deployed near a war zone. "This is fly by mouse,"

Flying at Mach 0.8 at an altitude of 40,000 feet, the X-45 will have a range of up to 1,500 miles, compared with about 600 miles for a Boeing-built F-18 manned fighter jet.

The Pentagon wants unmanned aircraft in all shapes and sizes to cut down casualties — and to cut costs.

no pricing data are available, but "historically, we price it by the pound." The X-45 has an empty weight of 18,000 pounds, 10 percent lighter than the small single-seater manned fighter, the Lockheed Martin F-16.

At that weight, said Teal's Aboulafia, a manned fighter would cost about $40 million and an unmanned one that could do without pilot-centered systems might cost $25 million to $28 million, depending on production rates.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...668900_unmannedaircraft07.html

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RE: Boeing-designed X-45 Is Unmanned (new Article)

Thu Dec 08, 2005 5:02 am

Looks familiar. I think I've seen it on a movie poster last year.
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RE: Boeing-designed X-45 Is Unmanned (new Article)

Thu Dec 08, 2005 5:03 am

Why is this news? The design has been known about for quite some time. Unfortunately, UAVs are taking a back seat right now as they figure out FAA approval for operations and how to pay for the F/A-22 and F-35.
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RE: Boeing-designed X-45 Is Unmanned (new Article)

Fri Dec 09, 2005 5:35 pm

Looks like a cross between Boeing's Bird of Prey revealed 3 years ago and a MDD concept drone from 1992 with M-shaped wings.

For now I'll say fine engineering, let's see it do its mission...I still wonder about the reaction time between an adrenaline filled pilot and one drinking coffee with gaurds placed around him/her.  Wink

What happens if the fortified trailer gets bombed, is there an emergency pilot or does this thing come home under A.I.? Or does it take revenge? Big grin
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RE: Boeing-designed X-45 Is Unmanned (new Article)

Fri Dec 09, 2005 8:34 pm

In theory the fortified trailer could be halfway around the world.

Most missions would be flown almost completely autonymous, the pilot in his bombed out trailer  Wink only serving as a backup in case the automatics screw up or the mission parameters change more rapidly than the programming can be updated.
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RE: Boeing-designed X-45 Is Unmanned (new Article)

Fri Dec 09, 2005 9:47 pm

Quoting Lehpron (Reply 3):
Looks like a cross between Boeing's Bird of Prey revealed 3 years ago and a MDD concept drone from 1992 with M-shaped wings.

Indeed, when Boeing released info about the Bird of Prey to the public, they said it was used primarily for research resulting in the X-45.
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RE: Boeing-designed X-45 Is Unmanned (new Article)

Sat Dec 10, 2005 11:42 am

The problem with UCAVs (Unmanned Combat Air Vehicles) is not the fact that they do not have a pilot on board; it is the fact that they are carrying live weapons. During the actions in Kosovo, the unarmed USAF Predators (at that point, only the CIA had the armed variants) flew through civil airspace without any problems.

Boeing are way ahead of the rest of the world when is comes to UCAVs - formation flights, dropping JDAMs etc - but these vehicles (in an armed configuration) are only going to be used in combat zones in the near future.

That said, the 'Man in the Loop' already has 'his' days numbered. We are already in the position whereby several countries could launch UCAV missions without the need for human intervention. At present, it is only the political will that dictates that it must be a human who gives the order to fire. The next step will be human-led swarms, leading to independent UCAV operations and 'Free Fire Zones' , followed by completely integrated manned/unmanned operations.

The 'Terminator' scenario is not the far away, my friends...
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RE: Boeing-designed X-45 Is Unmanned (new Article)

Sat Dec 10, 2005 1:10 pm

I truly do not believe that the "Man in the Loop" days are numbered. While UAVs and UCAVs have their benefits, they also have their detractors. The F-35 is set to enter production and the timetable for manufacturing is almost 30+ years and 4000 airframes. That definitely doesn't seem to be the end. The end has always been near since 1945 when the everyone thought that cruise missles would take over.
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RE: Boeing-designed X-45 Is Unmanned (new Article)

Sat Dec 10, 2005 7:44 pm

I just noticed it, is there any reason that plane is parked in a car parking lot? Did they not have room or is it just display?
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