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RAF Hercules Was Shot Down - Ministry Of Defence

Thu Dec 08, 2005 10:30 pm

BBC are reporting that the MOD have confirmed that the RAF Hercules that crashed in January was shot down.

Sorry but I haven't time to post the link (or search for a previous thread to add this to), apologies.
 
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RE: RAF Hercules Was Shot Down - Ministry Of Defence

Thu Dec 08, 2005 10:32 pm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4510324.stm

There you go.

Weapon used to down it is being kept quiet, due to 'security concerns'.
 
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RE: RAF Hercules Was Shot Down - Ministry Of Defence

Fri Dec 09, 2005 2:36 am

Yes, this was a sad loss for the RAF last January, when it was shot down.
 
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RE: RAF Hercules Was Shot Down - Ministry Of Defence

Fri Dec 09, 2005 3:27 am

I heard of this recently, at our annual Concorde Engineering reunion, someone with knowledge of ops at RAF Lyneham confirmed a shoot down.
This was a special forces flight aircraft, operating at low level.
 
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RE: RAF Hercules Was Shot Down - Ministry Of Defence

Fri Dec 09, 2005 4:12 am

Quoting GDB (Reply 3):
This was a special forces flight aircraft, operating at low level.

So where did the special forces personel go to? The low level flying was a normal operational decision which has now been moved up to something thats decided by the pilots during the flight.

The following were named as being on the aircraft at the time:

Flt Lt David Stead - Crew
Flt Lt Andrew Smith - Crew
Flt Lt Paul Pardoel - Crew
Master Engineer Gary Nicholson - Crew
Chief Technician Richard Brown - Crew
Flt Sgt Mark Gibson - Crew
Sgt Robert O'Connor - Crew
Cpl David Williams - Crew

Sqn Ldr Patrick Marshall - Liason officer, passenger
Acting L/Cpl Steven Jones - Royal Signals, passenger

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4227881.stm

I live just down the road from Lyneham, so this struck a particular cord with me.

Thoughts go out to these men and their families.
 
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RE: RAF Hercules Was Shot Down - Ministry Of Defence

Fri Dec 09, 2005 4:36 am

Though classified, the Special Forces Flight C-130's do more than carry SAS/SBS, there might well be a SIGNIT/recce role too.
 
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RE: RAF Hercules Was Shot Down - Ministry Of Defen

Fri Dec 09, 2005 9:50 am

This sounds like a lucky hit from an RPG. I have heard that oftentimes the jihaddis will fire them in groups ahead of the flight path--more "effective" in the case of helos, but they could have gotten real lucky with the C-130. If it were a SAM-7, the aircraft's countermeasures should have been able to handle it. There is no defense against bad luck.

[Edited 2005-12-09 01:52:16]
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RE: RAF Hercules Was Shot Down - Ministry Of Defence

Fri Dec 09, 2005 7:59 pm

When aircraft are shot down this is mostly clear immediately / in a few hours.

However it is always politically / PR wise better to say "an investigation is under way", "all options are open at this moment", "no further conclusions can be drawn at this moment" and the "a investigation report on the incident will be released asap".

Downing show & low flying targets doesn't require a lot of luck as was show in Vietnam, were thousands of helo's & transport were brought down by small arms.
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