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Export Chances Of The V-22 Osprey

Mon Dec 12, 2005 7:43 am

I was just watching some very nice pictures of the V 22 Osprey and was wondering if there are any chances that we will see this bird in Europe.
Therefore my question:
How are the chances that the Osprey will be bought by other countries and
what countries would have the need for this really unique and interesting bird ?

I really doubt it but I would love to see Germany getting some of these cool looking aircraft in addition to our CH 53s.
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RE: Export Chances Of The V-22 Osprey

Mon Dec 12, 2005 9:23 am

Guess that's the $80 million dollar question. Given the cost of the V-22 and the fact that countries like Germany are having a hard time funding home grown programs like the Tyohoon and A400 I doubt we will see any V-22 flying over there.
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RE: Export Chances Of The V-22 Osprey

Mon Dec 12, 2005 9:42 am

The V-22 has a very unique capability. I think if it weren't for the stress on domestic helicopter programs in most of the nations that are looking for new helicopters (Germany, UK, India) there would be a real demand for these things. On the other hand, the cost means it's probably limited to only the very richest nations, those that really want a very heavy helicopter. Look, if anywhere, for people that can use those kinds of things: Israel, Japan, Saudi Arabia?
 
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RE: Export Chances Of The V-22 Osprey

Mon Dec 12, 2005 12:22 pm

Quoting CannibalZ3 (Reply 2):
Look, if anywhere, for people that can use those kinds of things: Israel, Japan, Saudi Arabia?

How about British/French/German SpecOps? Something as fast as an osprey can be every useful for those guys, and a few other countries that I can think of. The V-22 is just an awesome craft that is ideal, IMO, in jungle/mountainous terrain, where speed, agility, as well as the ability to land as a helo counts alot.
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RE: Export Chances Of The V-22 Osprey

Mon Dec 12, 2005 3:07 pm



I have to imagine there are middle-eastern oil companies that would love to get their hands on a demilitarized version for cargo and PAX ops to and from offshore oil rigs.




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RE: Export Chances Of The V-22 Osprey

Mon Dec 12, 2005 3:31 pm

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 4):
I have to imagine there are middle-eastern oil companies that would love to get their hands on a demilitarized version for cargo and PAX ops to and from offshore oil rigs.

Bell-Agusta already offers a civil tilt-rotot aircraft. I don�t know the exact name but I guess that there already photos of the prototype here on a.net.
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RE: Export Chances Of The V-22 Osprey

Mon Dec 12, 2005 8:09 pm

Quoting Columba (Reply 5):
Bell-Agusta already offers a civil tilt-rotot aircraft. I don�t know the exact name but I guess that there already photos of the prototype here on a.net.

Here we go!!! It's the BA-609...


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RE: Export Chances Of The V-22 Osprey

Tue Dec 13, 2005 1:57 am

I would assume that the V-22's price tag is going to shrink the potential export market. Right now the USMC and USAF are having a hard enough time affording them! I wouldn't be surprised to see a military version of the BA 609 though!
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RE: Export Chances Of The V-22 Osprey

Wed Dec 14, 2005 8:24 am

Quoting LMP737 (Reply 1):
Given the cost of the V-22 and the fact that countries like Germany are having a hard time funding home grown programs like the Tyohoon and A400 I doubt we will see any V-22 flying over there.

Correct. And it's not only the Typhoon and A400M. It's also the Puma, Tiger, new submarines, new frigates and corvettes, MEADS, NH90/MH90, "Infantryman of the future", new vehicles for the army and a new armament.

Whith those gaps closed, they really need a heavy lift helicopter before the Osprey.
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RE: Export Chances Of The V-22 Osprey

Wed Dec 14, 2005 10:41 am

The V-22 is better suited for the Coast Guard or airshow duty, it's not a platform that offers a high probability of survivability in a hostile LZ. The Marines stuck to their guns and got what they want, but I fear their decision will be proven a to be a bad one in the future.
 
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RE: Export Chances Of The V-22 Osprey

Wed Dec 14, 2005 11:10 am

AirRyan,

Don't believe all the bad press sown by advocates from competing helicopter companies and self proclaimed experts who have maligned every new aircraft since the B-17. Read the unbiased government report on live fire and operational test at the attached link and decide for yourself.

The Marines know what they are doing...

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RE: Export Chances Of The V-22 Osprey

Wed Dec 14, 2005 12:55 pm

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 8):
Whith those gaps closed, they really need a heavy lift helicopter before the Osprey.

I believe Boeing, Sikorsky, and Bell-Boeing are all currently doing conceptual design work on the next heavy lift rotor-craft as we speak. I remember seeing all three received contracts for such work.

Quoting CTR (Reply 10):
The Marines know what they are doing...

CTR is quite correct. Many people said the same things about fly-by-wire a/c craft and now its practically a standard for combat a/c.
 
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RE: Export Chances Of The V-22 Osprey

Wed Dec 14, 2005 4:52 pm

Quoting Jrw261 (Reply 11):
I believe Boeing, Sikorsky, and Bell-Boeing are all currently doing conceptual design work on the next heavy lift rotor-craft as we speak. I remember seeing all three received contracts for such work.

Eurocopter does that as well
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RE: Export Chances Of The V-22 Osprey

Thu Dec 15, 2005 12:19 am

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 8):
Correct. And it's not only the Typhoon and A400M. It's also the Puma, Tiger, new submarines, new frigates and corvettes, MEADS, NH90/MH90, "Infantryman of the future", new vehicles for the army and a new armament.

What does "infantryman of the future" for the Bundeswehr involve exactly?
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RE: Export Chances Of The V-22 Osprey

Thu Dec 15, 2005 6:06 am

Quoting LMP737 (Reply 13):
What does "infantryman of the future" for the Bundeswehr involve exactly?

Only in German:
http://www.deutschesheer.de/C1256B6C...C/vwContentFrame/N262998F383DKORDE
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RE: Export Chances Of The V-22 Osprey

Fri Dec 16, 2005 9:32 am

Quoting Columba (Reply 14):
Only in German:
http://www.deutschesheer.de/C1256B6C...KORDE

Kind of like the US Army Land Warrior program. Now all I have to do is brush up on my German.  Wink
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RE: Export Chances Of The V-22 Osprey

Fri Dec 16, 2005 3:56 pm

Quoting LMP737 (Reply 15):
Now all I have to do is brush up on my German.

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RE: Export Chances Of The V-22 Osprey

Fri Dec 16, 2005 6:21 pm

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 8):
they really need a heavy lift helicopter before the Osprey.

Same story here.. Chinooks fall out of the air from time to time due to old age and the USMC, Army, and everyone else are out buying toys (V-22s).
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RE: Export Chances Of The V-22 Osprey

Fri Dec 23, 2005 3:29 am

Quoting Captoveur (Reply 17):
Chinooks fall out of the air from time to time due to old age and the USMC, Army, and everyone else are out buying toys

Well, the CH-46E's the Osprey is supposed to replace aren't exactly young, either. They were originally supposed to be gone by 1992 or so...
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RE: Export Chances Of The V-22 Osprey

Sat Jan 28, 2006 3:35 am

The Israel Air Force (IAF) is seriously considering procurement of Bell/ Boeing V-22 Osprey multimission tiltrotor aircraft, defence sources have told JDW.

The IAF is preparing to issue a request for information in the coming months and is sending its Chief of Air Directorate for Helicopters, Brigadier General 'Tamir', to fly the aircraft in the US.

Offering a range greater than 1,000 km and a speed of 275 kt - much faster than most helicopters - the V-22 is being considered by the IAF for special forces missions as well as search and rescue. "It could provide new dimensions to IAF capabilities, especially now that Israel is facing a distant developing threat from Iran," an industry source told JDW. "With the V-22's air-to-air refuelling capability, the range could even be further extended, providing the IAF with new deterrent capabilities."

However, its unit cost, estimated at USD70 million, might impede such a procurement. "The Osprey is indeed an expensive platform, but it could relieve the IAF from the need to upgrade all of its Hercules and Sea Stallion fleet and [allow it to] decommission some of them," said the industry source.

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RE: Export Chances Of The V-22 Osprey

Sun Jan 29, 2006 5:39 am

I don't think the Iraeli Air Force buys anything! The U.S. does!

My guesses for V-22 export are:

Japan: They have the money, and the want to replace those Kawasaki's too.

USCG: This device would have great rescue capability.

Royal Navy: The V-22 would fill a great VERTREP role for their future carriers.

Canada: This could follow suit with the USCG example, supplementing the Comorant.
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