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KC-767 Vs KC-30? Try KC-787 Vs. KC-50

Wed Dec 14, 2005 10:38 am

Saw an ad today for a KC-30, the proposed EADS A330 tanker for the USAF. So anyways, I had read where Boeing said they were open to considering the 787 and needless to say, after browsing the Airbus website about the A-350 earlier, why wouldn't EADS call Boeing's bluff and put together an KC-50? Hard to beat that one unless Boeing went with the 787 and nevertheless, EADS would have a platform ready for sale down the road for years to offer somebody else.

I can't beleive India just announced a plan to acquire six more IL-78 tankers, they have to be far behind a modern tanker of today.
 
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RE: KC-767 Vs KC-30? Try KC-787 Vs. KC-50

Wed Dec 14, 2005 3:39 pm

Quoting AirRyan (Thread starter):
why wouldn't EADS call Boeing's bluff and put together an KC-50? Hard to beat that one unless Boeing went with the 787 and nevertheless, EADS would have a platform ready for sale down the road for years to offer somebody else.

From all that we've seen, it seems like the AF isn't so interested in unflown/untested/unproven aircraft for their new tanker, they're more after platforms that are "off the shelf". The 787 and 350 are too far down the road for them to be a viable option, IMHO.

Quoting AirRyan (Thread starter):
I can't beleive India just announced a plan to acquire six more IL-78 tankers, they have to be far behind a modern tanker of today.

Beautiful purchase  Wink That's India for ya.

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RE: KC-767 Vs KC-30? Try KC-787 Vs. KC-50

Thu Dec 15, 2005 12:00 am

Quoting AirRyan (Thread starter):
I can't beleive India just announced a plan to acquire six more IL-78 tankers, they have to be far behind a modern tanker of today.



Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 1):
Beautiful purchase   That's India for ya.

Are they based upon the Il-76MF? That model is considerably updated, isn't it?
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RE: KC-767 Vs KC-30? Try KC-787 Vs. KC-50

Thu Dec 15, 2005 7:58 am

Quoting N328KF (Reply 2):
Are they based upon the Il-76MF? That model is considerably updated, isn't it?

Yes, the IL-76 tanker also works well with thier mostly russian fighter fleet.
 
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Thu Dec 15, 2005 11:52 pm

Quoting N328KF (Reply 2):

Are they based upon the Il-76MF? That model is considerably updated, isn't it?

It also has newer Progress engines, so it's got better endurance and payload abilities as well as being quieter. If that is the version India is looking at.
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RE: KC-767 Vs KC-30? Try KC-787 Vs. KC-50

Mon Dec 19, 2005 5:49 am

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 1):
The 787 and 350 are too far down the road for them to be a viable option, IMHO.

Not really, since the USAF doesn't have to begin ordering a KC-135 replacement until 2040-2045, for delivery beginning in 2050-2060. So, by then both the B-787 and the A-350 should be long out of production.
 
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RE: KC-767 Vs KC-30? Try KC-787 Vs. KC-50

Wed Dec 21, 2005 10:32 am

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 1):
From all that we've seen, it seems like the AF isn't so interested in unflown/untested/unproven aircraft for their new tanker, they're more after platforms that are "off the shelf".

 banghead  Since when is the A330 an "unflown/untested/unproven" aircraft?! "God" forbid we fly tankers designed by the French!  sarcastic 


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RE: KC-767 Vs KC-30? Try KC-787 Vs. KC-50

Thu Dec 22, 2005 12:41 am

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 1):
From all that we've seen, it seems like the AF isn't so interested in unflown/untested/unproven aircraft for their new tanker, they're more after platforms that are "off the shelf"

This is crap. Especially for the tanker role. The 135 was created and designed specifically for the Air Force. Off the shelf my eye.
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RE: KC-767 Vs KC-30? Try KC-787 Vs. KC-50

Thu Dec 22, 2005 2:42 am

I don't think the real concerns/positions are being aired (ha ha) in public, but one point that Boeing has made makes sense to me: they have a lot of confidence in the 787 as a passenger aircraft, where it will remain externally unmodified throughout its lifetime. But when one looks at the x-135, most of the airframe have undergone substantial external modification during their service (there was a mosiac showing this on a thread about 6 months ago, which I cannot find). Boeing is NOT confident _at this time_ that it can modify the 787 as easily as it can an aluminum aircraft. If it turns out that mods are not easy to do, they could be backing the Air Force into a corner with a KC-787.

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