gunsontheroof
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ME-262 @ SEA

Wed Jan 04, 2006 9:05 am

Hi everybody. This is my first post here at a.net, nice to be here.

Driving down Air Cargo Road by SEA today, I noticed what I'm quite certain was a broken-down ME-262 (fuselage, wings, engines) sitting on the cargo ramp packed for shipment. I would have tried to get a picture, but I wasn't in my usual vehicle and didn't have my camera handy. Does anyone have any information about this aircraft? I have no idea whether it was coming in or going out, but I'm thinking that Paul Allen might have something to do with it, as I believe he owns the ME-262 that was (is?) undergoing restoration at PAE. Hopefully someone here can shed some light on this, I thought it was a pretty interesting sighting.


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*I posted this in Civil Av because I felt like people who might have some answers (SEA/air cargo employees) would be more likely to notice it here. If the mods feel it's better suited for Military Av, by all means, move it.
 
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RE: ME-262 @ SEA

Wed Jan 04, 2006 9:07 am

Actually, Paul Allen is not involved with the replica ME-262 project @ PAE, but he does own at least 1 actual 262 and has been buying up pretty much anything he can get his hands on.

I believe what you saw was a replica 262 being shipped to a museum in Germany.
 
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RE: ME-262 @ SEA

Wed Jan 04, 2006 9:17 am

Welcome to Looneyville!

More info here:
http://www.stormbirds.com/project/

and from 'Latest Update'

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We have all the paperwork down at Cargolux for immediate shipment of Tango-Tango as soon as they have space available on one of their flights out of Sea Tac. Our initial estimates for delivery in late November proved slightly optimistic because of unepxected delays in the issuance of a U.S. State Department export license.

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RE: ME-262 @ SEA

Wed Jan 04, 2006 9:25 am

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 1):
Actually, Paul Allen is not involved with the replica ME-262 project @ PAE, but he does own at least 1 actual 262 and has been buying up pretty much anything he can get his hands on.

Would Mr. Allen's ME-262 be the same one in the picture I posted? I assumed that Vulcan Warbirds was affiliated with Vulcan Inc., and wouldn't have thought that there was more than one ME-262 (replica or original) in the Seattle area. Very interesting.

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 1):
I believe what you saw was a replica 262 being shipped to a museum in Germany.

Would this be the same replica @ PAE that you were referring to?

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Quoting LN-MOW (Reply 2):

Just what I was looking for.

Thanks for the information guys.

[Edited 2006-01-04 01:31:37]
 
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RE: ME-262 @ SEA

Wed Jan 04, 2006 11:32 am

The Messerschmidt Foundation purchased one of the ME-262s being manufactured on the back side of Paine (near the Castle B-52).

They allowed its use as a training aid and test aircraft, but they intend to keep it in Germany and that may be what you saw....that airplane being shipped to Germany.
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RE: ME-262 @ SEA

Wed Jan 04, 2006 7:37 pm

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 3):
Would Mr. Allen's ME-262 be the same one in the picture I posted? I assumed that Vulcan Warbirds was affiliated with Vulcan Inc., and wouldn't have thought that there was more than one ME-262 (replica or original) in the Seattle area.

No - the picture you posted is the first Me 262B-1c built by the Me 262 Project. The Me 262 Project has nothing to do with Paul Allen. The Me 262B-1c is destined for an owner in Arizona. The second aircraft they built was a Me 262A-1c that was bought by the Messerschmidt Foundation and is on its way to Germany.


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RE: ME-262 @ SEA

Thu Jan 05, 2006 11:39 am

The project to produce new build ME-262 a/c was started by the late Steve Snyder. He accomplished many things in life but this was truly his baby. Various legalities after his death threw a few delays into the program but I am sure that he would be very proud that the project is now a success.

FYI, Steve was a true innovator in the world of aviation with a particular love for preserving its history, here are a few of his accomplishments:

1. First baton pass - this was a demonstration of the fact that two(later many more) skydivers could safely control their flight relative to each other in freefall in 1958
2. Invented/improved wide variety of parachuting gear through his SSE and ParaFlight companies including first practical automatic opening devices, early ram-air parachutes and reefing systems, HALO gear, personal altimeters, GPS guided cargo parachutes, air powered cannon for avalanche control, etc.
3. Invented the powered parachute and founded the Paraplane company.
4. Founded and built the Air Victory Museum at KVAY.
5. Operated KVAY for many years - in fact, the only failure I know of in his life is not managing to get regular jet operations past the NIMBY's there.

I'm sure I'm missing a lot but the above are just off the top of my head.

Steve died in a crash of his ex-Luftwaffe Sabre following a compressor stall during a low pass at an airshow in 1999.
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RE: ME-262 @ SEA

Mon Jan 09, 2006 4:01 pm

Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Reply 6):
1. First baton pass - this was a demonstration of the fact that two(later many more) skydivers could safely control their flight relative to each other in freefall in 1958

Without going to google or wiki, the name I remembered for this feat was Hilliard. Was it a Steve to Charlie pass?

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RE: ME-262 @ SEA

Tue Jan 10, 2006 9:15 am

Didn't the prototype crash in Everett a few years ago? I seem to remember one of the local TV stations carrying a story about the development of the project, and had some footage of the prototype running off the runway.
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RE: ME-262 @ SEA

Fri Jan 20, 2006 1:47 am

Please see the Stormbird update page, where they describe the accident details and have lots of very nice photos:

http://www.stormbirds.com/project/general/updates.htm

"18 Jan 03
LANDING INCIDENT As many of our regular visitors may be aware, our second test flight on Friday was complicated by the collapse of the left main landing gear. Test pilot Wolf Czaia was uninjured during this sequence, and we are currently assessing what repairs may be required to resume testing. The exact cause was unclear at the time of this update."
 
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RE: ME-262 @ SEA

Mon Jan 30, 2006 6:41 am

Quoting SLCPilot (Reply 7):
Without going to google or wiki, the name I remembered for this feat was Hilliard. Was it a Steve to Charlie pass?

Yes, that's it.
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