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Question About Fokker 60

Sun Jan 22, 2006 3:38 am

Does anyone have any information about the Fokker 60, particularly why it was built and whether there were any civilian operators (I can only find examples operated by the Royal Netherlands Air Force)?


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RE: Question About Fokker 60

Sun Jan 22, 2006 3:43 am

It's only operated by the Netherlands Air Force and 4 were built for them.. IIRC 2 are being converted for a maritime patrol platform too  Smile
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RE: Question About Fokker 60

Sun Jan 22, 2006 4:14 am

Hi,

Two Fokker60 aircraft (U-01 & U-03) have been converted into MPA version.
This is done to assist the coast guard and drug enforcement units in the Caribbean area. They replace the P-3 Orions of the Netherlands Royal Navy. Location is Curacao Hato.

The Fokker 60 is basically a stretched Fokker 50 with a large cargo door at the left aft fuselage. The aircraft were delivered to the KLu in 1996. The MPA version will remain in the Caribbean area for still 1 year from now and then might be replaced by civilian aircraft. All Fokker 60 aircraft are due to leave the KLu in a few years time.

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RE: Question About Fokker 60

Sun Jan 22, 2006 6:26 am

Quoting Frankmink (Reply 2):
Two Fokker60 aircraft (U-01 & U-03) have been converted into MPA version.
This is done to assist the coast guard and drug enforcement units in the Caribbean area. They replace the P-3 Orions of the Netherlands Royal Navy. Location is Curacao Hato.

You are right. I photographed the RNAF F60 last year, see my photo below:


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U-01 & U-03 are based in Curacao.

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RE: Question About Fokker 60

Sun Jan 22, 2006 11:26 pm

Quoting Frankmink (Reply 2):
The Fokker 60 is basically a stretched Fokker 50 with a large cargo door at the left aft fuselage.

and different engines Frank.

Quoting Frankmink (Reply 2):
All Fokker 60 aircraft are due to leave the KLu in a few years time.

Like every other A/C is leaving it's owner at some point.

Dutch government wanted to the Orions to leave and did so with the usual bad timing.
Not only that but due to a very funny contract the Dutch tax payer is not cashing from the sale but paying extra.
Then 2 F60's had to be modified to a role they had never been designed for and took many millions more from the tax payer.
Following the logic of our beloved government it would indeed not surprise me if the F60's left the KLU very soon.

Maybe nice to know.
One of the KLU's demands for the F60 was that a F16 engine would fit inside.
Here you see the F60 mockup together with the F16 engine mockup which both were used to convince the KLU it would fit indeed.


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RE: Question About Fokker 60

Mon Jan 23, 2006 4:10 am

Quoting HS748 (Thread starter):
why it was built

It was designed as a 60-seat airliner, hence the designation. The main reason that only four were built is simply Fokker's collapse.

The air force order was just a rescue attempt for Fokker I think. The stretch made it possible to fit a cargo door large enough for F-16 engines; that was the only reason to select the stretched aircraft.

I don't think the air force was very enthusiastic about this. The government paid development costs, making these four aircraft as expensive, if I remember well, as three C-130s which would have made much more military sense.

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RE: Question About Fokker 60

Mon Jan 23, 2006 7:16 pm

The aircraft serve well, but indeed more C-130s make more sense from an operational point of view.
More capable, fleet commonality, but of course larger and heavier also means higher cost per flight hour.
I'd like to see them stay on despite the increase in the C-130 fleet (which is overdue) because there are missions for which a C-130 is just overkill (as is shown clearly by most C-130 operators having a smaller alternative available for small missions).

The demise of the F60s would be the end of an era. For the first time in some 80 years the Dutch armed forces will not be operating Fokkers.
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RE: Question About Fokker 60

Mon Jan 23, 2006 11:24 pm

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 6):
C-130 is just overkill (as is shown clearly by most C-130 operators having a smaller alternative available for small missions).

Tell that our smart guys here in Germany, we also could need a smaller alternative below the A400M like a CASA or C 27J.........
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RE: Question About Fokker 60

Tue Jan 24, 2006 2:39 am

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 6):
The demise of the F60s would be the end of an era. For the first time in some 80 years the Dutch armed forces will not be operating Fokkers.

There are still two F50s.
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RE: Question About Fokker 60

Tue Jan 24, 2006 3:12 am

thought the '50s were also due to be axed? Or has that been postponed for budget reasons?
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RE: Question About Fokker 60

Sat Jan 28, 2006 2:48 am

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 9):
thought the '50s were also due to be axed? Or has that been postponed for budget reasons?

No, the F50's aren't going to be axed. They need the capacity as these planes are used as "normal" passengerplanes. They are equipped with a cabin with 25 or 30 seats depending on which plane you choose.

The airforce can't handle all the travel needs of ministers, generals and the royal family with only their Gulfstream.

The Fokker 60 isn't going anywhere as well, as the ministry of defense has said that it would make the most out of these planes, because they're one of the most expensive planes in their inventory.

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