jepstein
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Selling Military Aircraft

Fri Feb 03, 2006 7:34 am

Many recent fighter aircraft(i.e. the JSF and the F-16) have been following a set of requirements the U.S. has given and then built competition style between a number of manufacturers. Many of these aircraft have been exported to other countries.

Does the manufacturer have the right to sell the a/c to other nation's air forces without the consent of the U.S. government?

For example: Israel recently ordered more F-16's, but did they go directly to Lockheed or the U.S. gov't first?
 
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RE: Selling Military Aircraft

Fri Feb 03, 2006 7:46 am

Quoting Jepstein (Thread starter):
Does the manufacturer have the right to sell the a/c to other nation's air forces without the consent of the U.S. government?

NOOOOO!!!!!

In fact the other nation has to buy the aircraft from the US Government, which will then place the order.
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RE: Selling Military Aircraft

Fri Feb 03, 2006 9:24 am

Lots of other non-U.S. aircraft that contained U.S. components are subject to govt. approval as well.

Example: India wanted to buy the Viggen back in the 70s. The U.S. put the kai-bosh on that one because the Viggen used the J-79 engine, and at that time India was very close to the Soviets.

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RE: Selling Military Aircraft

Fri Feb 03, 2006 10:08 am

Are you sure that it was a J79?.
 
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RE: Selling Military Aircraft

Fri Feb 03, 2006 11:15 am

Yes, it was a J79. That negatively impacted the export potential of the type.
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RE: Selling Military Aircraft

Fri Feb 03, 2006 11:50 am

Quoting Migfan (Reply 4):
Yes, it was a J79. That negatively impacted the export potential of the type.

No, it wasn't. It was a military version of the Same JT8D that powered the 727 and 737. Sorry I can't remember the Volvo name for the motor.

The Sweds developed an afterburned for the engine, and it was the first afterburning engine to have a thrust reverser.
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RE: Selling Military Aircraft

Fri Feb 03, 2006 9:10 pm

Perhaps the Swedes decided to switch powerplants in light of this development. Looks like I will have to find the article and disprove you...

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RE: Selling Military Aircraft

Fri Feb 03, 2006 9:15 pm

Quoting L-188 (Reply 5):

The Sweds developed an afterburned for the engine, and it was the first afterburning engine to have a thrust reverser.

I think you'll find that the Olympus 593 as fitted to Concorde came much before that.
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RE: Selling Military Aircraft

Sat Feb 04, 2006 12:45 am

Well, Volvo Aero has this to say on the Viggen's engine:

The RM8 is a Swedish military version of the Pratt & Whitney JT8D commercial engine developed into a supersonic turbofan with a three-zone afterburner.

The RM8 engine comes in two versions:

-RM8A for use in the strike and reconnaissance models of the aircraft

-RM8B which is specially developed for the fighter variant. The RM8B engine incorporates a redesigned fan and low-pressure compressor as well as an upgraded gas generator hot section

Volvo Aero and Pratt & Whitney jointly developed and qualified the engines manufactured by Volvo Aero.

The first flight with the RM8A took place in 1967 and with the RM8B in 1974.


Additional Viggen details are available on this "Jet engines used in Swedish military aircraft" page.
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RE: Selling Military Aircraft

Sat Feb 04, 2006 4:10 am

I got this info on the Olympus from Janes, Full certification was achieved in April 1975

I'll grant you it is close. Because the RM8 would have been in development at the same tie.
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