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Best Built Plane

Tue Mar 07, 2006 2:24 am

Please tell me which one is the best built plane the stealth fighter or bomber. Personally i am a fan of the stealth bomber anyone's thoughts
 
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RE: Best Built Plane

Tue Mar 07, 2006 2:40 am

Waste of money.

Best built plane IMO is the A-10 ThunderboltII, also known as the Warthog. Triple and quad redundancy, titanium bathtub for the pilot. Could lose half a wing and still fly home, the plane is amazing.
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RE: Best Built Plane

Tue Mar 07, 2006 2:48 am

Tell me that your posting name does not give a clue regards your opinion on this?  Wink

Well, difficult to answer. The F-117 'Stealth Fighter' immediate invokes negative images such as the air show crash in Maryland as well as the Serb shoot down. However the F-117 has seen combat in several theatres and has an impressive record.

The B-2 'Stealth Bomber' has no negative connotations (unless you are an accountant or a tax payer) but again we don't really know what the type has achieved.

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RE: Best Built Plane

Tue Mar 07, 2006 3:18 am

Quoting Ghostbase (Reply 2):
The B-2 'Stealth Bomber' has no negative connotations (unless you are an accountant or a tax payer) but again we don't really know what the type has achieved.

The B-2A was used in both Afghanistan and Iraq, both with impressive results.

But, for my money, the "best" airplane ever has to be either the Boeing KC-135, built into more than 30 different mission airplanes, longivity, and 28 different models, or the Lockheed C-130, still in production, longivity, built into 18 different mission airplanes and 15 different models. You could also through in the Boeing B-52 for it's longivity, too. All three get a big thumbs up from me.  bigthumbsup 
 
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RE: Best Built Plane

Tue Mar 07, 2006 3:49 am

Not (only) a military plane, but what about the DC-3 (C-47)? These things are still flying around.

Other than that, I find WW2 fighter airplanes very impressive, because they have so powerful piston engines, it is almost unbelievable. Even today, these engines are great examples of pure engineering skill.
 
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RE: Best Built Plane

Tue Mar 07, 2006 4:43 am

Considering that the F-117 is technically a bomber, only the F-22 can hold the designation of "stealth fighter."

Stealth bombers have proven to be the best in the field so far, only because the F-22 is just now entering service. The Raptor has not seen combat duty as of yet so its obviously one-sided for the moment.

In terms of best service, as KC135TopBoom said, the KC-135, the C-130 (god, how many variations of that aircraft exist now?) and the old and tired but true B-52 Stratofortess. All three of these aircraft are at LEAST 30+ years old and continue to fly, serving the armed forces proudly.

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 4):
Not (only) a military plane, but what about the DC-3 (C-47)? These things are still flying around.

Other than that, I find WW2 fighter airplanes very impressive, because they have so powerful piston engines, it is almost unbelievable. Even today, these engines are great examples of pure engineering skill.

The DC-3 is obviously one of the oldest aircraft still flying today. You are right in this regard, these aircraft have paid back more than triple of their purchase cost in terms of service with their owners.

And as for WW2 fighters, the P-51 Merlin, the P-47 Wasp, and the Fw-190 BMW 801D come to mind.  Big grin
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RE: Best Built Plane

Tue Mar 07, 2006 5:19 am

Quoting JakeOrion (Reply 5):
In terms of best service.....these aircraft are at LEAST 30+ years old and continue to fly, serving the armed forces proudly.

Well, we still have at least one original build Canberra flying in military service over here as well as the rebuilt Canberra PR.9 which seems to find plenty to do in her twilight years. Would be the equivalent of a B-57A / RB-57F I think.

Also the Nimrod MR.2 which was originally constructed from a Comet airframe and is again being rebuilt to form a 'new' Nimrod. Gives the impressive C-135 family a run for their money in terms of longevity.

Not to forget the amazing VC-10 which first flew in BOAC markings so many many years ago and now trundles the skies round the world trailing hoses to all those who need them.

Arguably these are three benefits of ever-reducing defence budgets?

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RE: Best Built Plane

Tue Mar 07, 2006 5:35 am

Quoting Ghostbase (Reply 6):

I should have played fair but I didn't, so my rebuttal is in terms of US service. Big grin

But excellent points, nice to see these aircraft are still workhorses of their respected services.
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RE: Best Built Plane

Tue Mar 07, 2006 9:30 am

Quoting Joness0154 (Reply 1):
IMO is the A-10 ThunderboltII, also known as the Warthog. Triple and quad redundancy, titanium bathtub for the pilot.

The SR-71 had titanium tub for the pilot and RSO, the cameras, the engines, the hydraulics, the avionics and all the other parts. The SR-71 was built like no other aircraft before or after.
 
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RE: Best Built Plane

Tue Mar 07, 2006 12:43 pm

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 4):
Not (only) a military plane, but what about the DC-3 (C-47)? These things are still flying around.

Story I heard about the C-47's.

The Army was trying to figure out how to get gliders out of fields after airborne operations. One idea they hit on was to sting a rope in a loop from the glider and then up a couple of poles so it was about 20 feet off the ground. A C-47 equiped with a hook would fly over and snag the rope "Jerking" the glider off the ground and tow it home.

Well they had a couple of C-47's they where using during the test program and both of them after a while started to sheer rivets in the fuselage. Somebody took a tape and measured the airplane from the nose to the tail and found out that it was a foot longer then it had been when it left the Douglas plant.
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RE: Best Built Plane

Tue Mar 07, 2006 12:51 pm

Mig-15 and Mig-17...reliability, dispatchability, the thing can take off from a grass strip and ingest tons of crap and nothing would happen to it. And maintenance wasn't hard plus they lasted many years up until the early 90s actually.
 
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RE: Best Built Plane

Tue Mar 07, 2006 1:52 pm



I'd vote for the KC-135s.




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RE: Best Built Plane

Thu Mar 09, 2006 7:25 am

Stratofortress - No bias  Smile

Seriously though, that machine has been around for so long and will continue to be here for a long time to come.
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RE: Best Built Plane

Thu Mar 09, 2006 7:53 am

I agree with most of the opinions said on here some pretty incredible machines. A few I will point out just for further discussion...
B-17, this bird brought more men home who shouldnt have than any other. Tails shot off, engines blown apart, and worse. Its ability to take damage, remain airborne then often times make a survivable landing speaks volumes.
 
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RE: Best Built Plane

Thu Mar 09, 2006 8:51 am

Anything with a Grumman data plate on it. They did'nt call it the Grumman Iron Works for nothing.
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RE: Best Built Plane

Sat Mar 11, 2006 6:48 am

A-12 and SR-71. Best engineered, I suppose you could say "best built." Concorde also was very well built.

Otherwise, a few nominations:

707 and its fuselage derivatives, 727, 737, 757
Beech Bonanza (in continuous production since 1947)
M20 Mooney
DC-3
DC-6B (the best piston airliner ever)
747
P-51
P-38
P-47
Hellcat
A-10
 
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RE: Best Built Plane

Sat Mar 11, 2006 8:56 am

I'd have to nominate the A-10...anyone remember this occurring during the Iraq War?

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/li.../iraq/2003/iraq-030416-accns01.htm

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/images/a-10_oif_battle-damage_mvc-006f.jpg

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/images/a-10_oif_battle-damage_mvc-004f.jpg

Consideing the plane was designed to take massive battle damage and still survive (ie missing a rudder, most of a wing, an engine), the designers made the main gear only partially retract, I'd definitely say the A-10 is one of the best built military aircraft.
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RE: Best Built Plane

Sat Mar 11, 2006 1:01 pm

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 16):
I'd definitely say the A-10 is one of the best built military aircraft.

And yet the Air Force keeps trying to kill off theirs.

They get an airframe that is tough as nails, and works as advertised, and not mention is effective, and all the generals can think of is sending them to the desert.......Arizona, not Iraq.

Quoting LMP737 (Reply 14):
They did'nt call it the Grumman Iron Works for nothing.

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RE: Best Built Plane

Tue Apr 04, 2006 2:17 am

Quoting LMP737 (Reply 14):
Anything with a Grumman data plate on it. They did'nt call it the Grumman Iron Works for nothing.

I have to agree, especially for the WWII aircraft, such as the F-4 Wildcat, the F-6 Hellcat, and TBM Avenger. Those birds were like flying armored cars. Even the Grumman amphibians (Goose, Mallard, Albatross) are built like tanks.

The Boeing B-17 could absorb tremendous battle damage and bring its crew home, as many WWII photos attest. As for the C-47, that craft was also virtually indestructable - I heard about one Gooney being involved in a mid-air collision, which ripped apart almost the entire upper fuselage. That plane made it back.

For modern aircraft, the Warthog is an amazingly sturdy aircraft, for which it rightfully deserves due praise.
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