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Graffiti Artist "Tags" Air Force One

Wed Apr 19, 2006 1:25 am

A New York graffiti artist claims to have spray-painted a nacelle of one of the US Air Force presidential transport Boeing 747-200B (DC-25A) with a name tag in an act of protest against restrictions on free speech.

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...idential+Air+Force+One+Boeing.html
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RE: Graffiti Artist "Tags" Air Force One

Wed Apr 19, 2006 1:28 am

If this is for real, then that guy is in major trouble. He's lucky he didn't get shot, and I wouldn't have blamed them for doing it. I don't care about his message either way...it's still a big no no.

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RE: Graffiti Artist "Tags" Air Force One

Wed Apr 19, 2006 1:28 am

I cant controlle my laughter! Brilliant!
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RE: Graffiti Artist "Tags" Air Force One

Wed Apr 19, 2006 1:32 am

IF this is true... That plane and other govt planes like it are probably the stupidest targets to try and vandalize. As clean as these planes are kept in a matter of hours the graffiti is gone. Personally I think the guy is an idiot and IF... its true he deserves to be shot on site.
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RE: Graffiti Artist "Tags" Air Force One

Wed Apr 19, 2006 1:34 am

I don't believe this for a second. Air Force One is the most heavily guarded airplane in the world.
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RE: Graffiti Artist "Tags" Air Force One

Wed Apr 19, 2006 1:38 am

I some how doubt this is for real, no security guards approached the guy, i say Hoax to promote his video game
 
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RE: Graffiti Artist "Tags" Air Force One

Wed Apr 19, 2006 1:43 am

Are there 24hrs guard with the two Boeing 747-200B (DC-25A). If this whole thing is through someone would be very much in trouble ...
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RE: Graffiti Artist "Tags" Air Force One

Wed Apr 19, 2006 1:45 am

Read it closer kids, the guy that "did it" is promoting a new video game. It is indeed a fabrication. From the link - However, Ecko is understood to be promoting a new video game and many believe the video to be an elaborate hoax.


DC-25A -   

[Edited 2006-04-18 18:47:46]
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RE: Graffiti Artist "Tags" Air Force One

Wed Apr 19, 2006 1:45 am

What's a DC-25A?  Wink

LOL.
 
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RE: Graffiti Artist "Tags" Air Force One

Wed Apr 19, 2006 1:55 am

Quoting Boeing Nut (Reply 7):
Read it closer kids, the guy that "did it" is promoting a new video game. It is indeed a fabrication. From the link - However, Ecko is understood to be promoting a new video game and many believe the video to be an elaborate hoax.

They should still shoot him for the horrible clothes he has festooned upon teenagers.
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RE: Graffiti Artist "Tags" Air Force One

Wed Apr 19, 2006 1:57 am

Haha, no way this is true. I dont care how much street cred you are trying to get, you, as the CEO of a large company, dont do shit like this. Chances are, these days, creeping around Andrews (how would you even get on?) would get you shot. And its not like they dont know where to find you?
 
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RE: Graffiti Artist "Tags" Air Force One

Wed Apr 19, 2006 1:58 am

Quoting Swissgabe (Reply 6):
(DC-25A).



Quoting Swissgabe (Reply 6):
Are there 24hrs guard with the two Boeing 747-200B

There are actually 5 747-200B's in the Air Force fleet (2 VC-25As and 3 E-4Bs) and all of them are guarded all the time by military personel.
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RE: Graffiti Artist "Tags" Air Force One

Wed Apr 19, 2006 2:01 am

Quoting Boeing Nut (Reply 7):
It is indeed a fabrication. From the link - However, Ecko is understood to be promoting a new video game and many believe the video to be an elaborate hoax.

You just turned an assumption into a fact. It is likely to be a hoax, but one has to prove it.
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RE: Graffiti Artist "Tags" Air Force One

Wed Apr 19, 2006 2:01 am

I wouldn't believe it for a second. A couple of years ago, I had the opportunity to be up close with Air Force One, being on the ramp about 150 feet away from it. There were Secret Service agents on the perimeter outside of the airplane just watching it, making sure no one got too close...I don't see a security breach like this actually happening.

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RE: Graffiti Artist "Tags" Air Force One

Wed Apr 19, 2006 2:09 am

Quoting Contrails (Reply 4):
I don't believe this for a second. Air Force One is the most heavily guarded airplane in the world.

Well... at least while its at Andrews AFB! I can remember when working at an FBO that there were plenty of times during the night that we walked up to the A/C when on the ground even at night and we were NEVER questioned. Maybe since we were ground crew they didnt think of us as being more than harmless but we were able to touch the A/C.

This was in the early 90's. There were portable spotlights lit up pointing toward the A/C at night which kept it pretty well illuminated but the only thing we saw in the way of security was a rented mini van on the ramp with 2 guys in it camped about 50 yards away from the plane.

Granted the world is a different place today ...
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RE: Graffiti Artist "Tags" Air Force One

Wed Apr 19, 2006 2:09 am

Quoting JRadier (Reply 12):
You just turned an assumption into a fact.

No, I just used comon sense. Look at it this way, DC-25? They don't exist. Just like this "actual" story.

And I'm no graffiti artist, but isn't the "source" of the spray paint just a little too far from the surface to get lines like that?

Fake - end of story.
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Wed Apr 19, 2006 2:12 am

Quoting L1329II (Reply 3):
IF Personally I think the guy is an idiot and IF... its true he deserves to be shot on site.

Oh lighten up! Even if it's true, it's not like he killed someone... it's called a prank. How come some people get all uptight and violent over things that do little or no harm???

Man, are we turning into a nation of party-poopers?

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Wed Apr 19, 2006 2:13 am

Ecko says on his website that he does not condone illegal activity, acts of vandalism, or the destruction of other people's property.

Indeed a HOAX... Also like others have stated you just don't stroll onto ADW at 12 mid-night and tag the #1 engine cowling and no one see you. He would be in deep *hit if he did indeed do this.

Also his clothing line is garbage.
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RE: Graffiti Artist "Tags" Air Force One

Wed Apr 19, 2006 2:29 am

If it was true he would've had a camera with him plane side. YES this is a hoax with the worst video I've ever seen. It would've been all over the world news had that happened and there would be a severely beaten man in the hospital or possibly a dead man in the morgue because well Andrews is guarded better than Fort Knox.
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RE: Graffiti Artist "Tags" Air Force One

Wed Apr 19, 2006 2:30 am

Quoting N328KF (Reply 9):
They should still shoot him for the horrible clothes he has festooned upon teenagers.

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Wed Apr 19, 2006 2:30 am

Well, whether or not this is true, what was the point of the exercise? To get Marc Ecko and his clothing line back in some sort of public light. It's called a viral marketing campaign and those of us sitting here discussing one aspect of it (is it or isn't it real?) is worth a lot of money to them. In other words, our prolonged discussion herein prolongs this brand's eye-time for thousands of people who might want this--all at very little expense to the company.

Brilliant, I say; absolutely brilliant.

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RE: Graffiti Artist "Tags" Air Force One

Wed Apr 19, 2006 2:32 am

Quoting Airwave (Reply 20):
Well, whether or not this is true, what was the point of the exercise?

Three words - publicity, publicity, publicity.
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RE: Graffiti Artist "Tags" Air Force One

Wed Apr 19, 2006 2:36 am

Quoting Remcor (Reply 16):
Oh lighten up! Even if it's true, it's not like he killed someone... it's called a prank. How come some people get all uptight and violent over things that do little or no harm???

If it was true, then what if he had something more dangerous than a bottle of spray paint? Any interloper who got that close deserves the .50cal that would be exiting the back of their head. It doesn't matter if it's Clinton or Bush or JFK, it's not a good idea.
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Wed Apr 19, 2006 2:36 am

Quoting Contrails (Reply 4):
I don't believe this for a second. Air Force One is the most heavily guarded airplane in the world.

Well, someone did manage to break into the bedroom of the Queen of England in Buckingham Palace a number of years ago. Those who believe something is impossible are only setting themselves up to be proven wrong at the very least. Many "certainties" in history were proven wrong, and airtight security is impossible.
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RE: Graffiti Artist "Tags" Air Force One

Wed Apr 19, 2006 2:38 am

Quoting Remcor (Reply 16):
Oh lighten up! Even if it's true, it's not like he killed someone... it's called a prank. How come some people get all uptight and violent over things that do little or no harm???

Man, are we turning into a nation of party-poopers?

Ok let me refrase this: Personally I think the guy is an idiot and IF... its true he probably would have been shot on site.

Better?  sarcastic 
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RE: Graffiti Artist "Tags" Air Force One

Wed Apr 19, 2006 2:40 am

Quoting Don81603 (Reply 23):
Well, someone did manage to break into the bedroom of the Queen of England in Buckingham Palace a number of years ago. Those who believe something is impossible are only setting themselves up to be proven wrong at the very least. Many "certainties" in history were proven wrong, and airtight security is impossible.

What about when you've got a few guys sitting outside the plane 24/7 with loaded MP5Ks?
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RE: Graffiti Artist "Tags" Air Force One

Wed Apr 19, 2006 2:40 am

Quoting Boeing Nut (Reply 21):
Quoting Airwave (Reply 20):
Well, whether or not this is true, what was the point of the exercise?

Three words - publicity, publicity, publicity.

Yes, I realize that, lol. It was a rhetorical question, as you see in my follow on sentence, lol. Or is this a rhetorical response? Oh, bother.

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RE: Graffiti Artist "Tags" Air Force One

Wed Apr 19, 2006 2:47 am

I saw President Bush speak at ORD in 2001. The number of armed people, Secret Service and military, around Air Force One while parked on the ramp was significant.

Also, my wife's great uncle was a 1-star general in the Air Force, stationed at Wright-Patterson AFB in Dayton, OH. Obviously, security can be breached on a large airfield, but security is always very tight around areas that the Air Force doesn't want people near.

A lot of systems testing went on at Wright-Pat, and those areas were incredibly secure. If VIPs, whether the President, Pentagon brass, members of Congress, or executives from contractors were on the base, security was always increased around aircraft and areas that they might tour.

I highly doubt that this bozo got anywhere near Air Force One. Further, it's my understanding that the VC-25As are kept in the hanger, unless they are preparing for departure or have just arrived at Andrews, because of security concerns.
 
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RE: Graffiti Artist "Tags" Air Force One

Wed Apr 19, 2006 2:49 am

Quoting L1329II (Reply 24):

Ok let me refrase this: Personally I think the guy is an idiot and IF... its true he probably would have been shot on site.

Yeah... that's a bit better actually. I thought you were essentially saying "How dare he do that! Him and his kind should be shot!"

While if it's true I do think he's an idiot, I also admire his audacity, and appreciate that once in a while people can shake things up and stir pot a bit. It's what America's built on, after all.

But it's probably fake.
 
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Wed Apr 19, 2006 2:51 am

Quoting Airwave (Reply 20):
Brilliant, I say; absolutely brilliant.

I couldn't agree more. This guy is a genious.. excellent marketing.
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RE: Graffiti Artist "Tags" Air Force One

Wed Apr 19, 2006 2:51 am

Ok...so a story like this, who knows how old, would've gotten media attention no dought...but I can't find anything at the major world news sites.
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RE: Graffiti Artist "Tags" Air Force One

Wed Apr 19, 2006 2:55 am

Yeah, they just hopped over a fence and ran onto an empty ramp without being seen. All at Andrew's freakin' AFB, home of the most top secret and heavily guarded aircraft in the world. I'll believe that when me shit turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbert.   

They would have been shot 10 times over. It's fake. Nevermind no credible news source mentions it.

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RE: Graffiti Artist "Tags" Air Force One

Wed Apr 19, 2006 2:56 am

Quoting MrMcCoy (Reply 29):
Quoting Airwave (Reply 20):
Brilliant, I say; absolutely brilliant.

I couldn't agree more. This guy is a genious.. excellent marketing.

Oddly enough, I just read an article of Jack Trout's on Forbes.com about how marketing is in crisis...occasions such as Ecko's makes me think otherwise.

It's a good article if you're into that sort of thing, so here's the link for interested parties: Marketing in Crisis

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RE: Graffiti Artist "Tags" Air Force One

Wed Apr 19, 2006 3:03 am

You really wanna see something? Someone send this link to CNN or FOX.  laughing 
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RE: Graffiti Artist "Tags" Air Force One

Wed Apr 19, 2006 3:03 am

I'm going to call BS on this one.

1) Look how small the undercarriage looks just as before it shows him spraying the words onto the engine.

2) I'm no graffiti artist but looking at how high up the lettering goes as he sprays it on wouldn't the stream of paint spread out much more? It looks pretty tight but that part of an engine is pretty high up

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RE: Graffiti Artist "Tags" Air Force One

Wed Apr 19, 2006 3:09 am

Quoting N766UA (Reply 31):
I'll believe that when me shit turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbert.

Ditto !
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RE: Graffiti Artist "Tags" Air Force One

Wed Apr 19, 2006 3:10 am

"Shot on sight" ?? How silly, sounds like a 10 year old.

Was he gonna spray someone in the eye?


Shoot on sight is cold war tuff guy speak. While your at it you better shoot the guards of the plane, the base patrol and gate guards as they were all in on it. Never mind the secret service people they have been assimilated.

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RE: Graffiti Artist "Tags" Air Force One

Wed Apr 19, 2006 3:15 am

I've gotta say, to the casual viewer, this is a decent fake. Absolutly no question, however, that it is fake. Yes, both SAM 27000 and SAM 28000 are kept in the hangar over at Andrews, and brought out just before POTUS departs. There's actually a fantastic National Geographic documentary that was made about the VC's in early 2001. It covers everything from the presidential bathroom on board to the extreme security surrounding the aircraft. In short, the second a potential vandal began to run towards the plane - assuming it was parked outside - (and this is making a tremendous leap of faith that he would ever get close to that point) he would have to stop to pick up the pieces of his brain spread over the tarmac. As for the marketing aspect - a little too political to go mainstream, but the concept is at least creative.
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RE: Graffiti Artist "Tags" Air Force One

Wed Apr 19, 2006 3:23 am

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 27):
it's my understanding that the VC-25As are kept in the hanger, unless they are preparing for departure or have just arrived at Andrews, because of security concerns.

They are kept in a hanger as much as possible, none the least because which particular aircraft will operate which particular flight is classified. They're out of the hangar just prior to take off or after landing (and as others pointed out, the security around the plane is massive), or to perform some maintenance that for some reason cannot be done inside the hangar (washing perhaps). Other than that, they're inside, and they're never abandoned by themselves in the middle of the night.

"Air Force One" even has its own fuel farm, with its own guards, and the fuel has to be in the farm at least 24 hours prior to fueling to secure it against contamination and allow for testing. I would be very surprised if the plane itself had less security than the fuel that goes in the plane.

Heck, even Air Force Two or Three or Four has more security than the plane in the video. I've seen a US government plane parked many times at the GA apron at EBBR, and I can attest that even the smallest one was being constantly watched by the local police and US security agents (I think DSA officials but don't quote me).

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 27):
A lot of systems testing went on at Wright-Pat, and those areas were incredibly secure.

Same thing at Andrews. I have landed/taken off there twice as a passenger on a non-US government flight. Just because you have a pass to get on/off your plane doesn't mean that you are free to wander around and take a peek at the nice Air Force One parked in the corner, quite the contrary. There's one way in and one way out and don't even think about deviating. And that was pre 9/11.
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RE: Graffiti Artist "Tags" Air Force One

Wed Apr 19, 2006 3:27 am

Quoting Mich (Reply 36):
"Shot on sight" ?? How silly, sounds like a 10 year old.

Was he gonna spray someone in the eye?

I guess in reality they would not stop to ask questions ! I think the security protocol applicable to the Presidential Boeing's would be initiated immediately.

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Wed Apr 19, 2006 3:29 am

I swear that looks like a 737-200 engine in one frame... maybe my eyes are playing tricks on me.
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RE: Graffiti Artist "Tags" Air Force One

Wed Apr 19, 2006 3:29 am

Quoting Boeing Nut (Reply 7):
Read it closer kids, the guy that "did it" is promoting a new video game. It is indeed a fabrication. From the link - However, Ecko is understood to be promoting a new video game and many believe the video to be an elaborate hoax.

Yes, I saw that near the very bottom of the page...

Quoting JRadier (Reply 12):
You just turned an assumption into a fact. It is likely to be a hoax, but one has to prove it.



Quoting Skyexramper (Reply 18):
YES this is a hoax with the worst video I've ever seen. It would've been all over the world news had that happened and there would be a severely beaten man in the hospital or possibly a dead man in the morgue because well Andrews is guarded better than Fort Knox.

Damn, you beat me to posting that remark...  Smile
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RE: Graffiti Artist "Tags" Air Force One

Wed Apr 19, 2006 3:31 am

Quoting Mich (Reply 36):
"Shot on sight" ?? How silly, sounds like a 10 year old.

Was he gonna spray someone in the eye?

Shoot on sight is cold war tuff guy speak. While your at it you better shoot the guards of the plane, the base patrol and gate guards as they were all in on it. Never mind the secret service people they have been assimilated.

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Again, what if he had something more dangerous than a spray can? You can't always tell that at the heat of the moment. This isn't a town mayor and his sheriff. This is POTUS and the Secret Service. They take their job very seriously and there is ample evidence to show that they will shoot first and ask questions later. It is naive to think otherwise.
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Wed Apr 19, 2006 3:37 am

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RE: Graffiti Artist "Tags" Air Force One

Wed Apr 19, 2006 3:38 am

Definatley a hoaxt I couldn't see all those antennas on the top of the fuselage that are normally on air force one
 
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RE: Graffiti Artist "Tags" Air Force One

Wed Apr 19, 2006 3:39 am

Quoting N328KF (Reply 1):
I don't care about his message either way...

You'd better do, because without free speech, even A.net existence could be threatened. Remember, some sensitive topics such as the TSA, ElAl, the FAA, diversions are discussed everyday here...

Although a hoax, this is an important issue.
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RE: Graffiti Artist "Tags" Air Force One

Wed Apr 19, 2006 3:39 am

I am inclined to believe that the aircraft in question is not the real VC-25A but a 747-200 that has been painted as such to be used in shows such as "The West Wing" and in motion pictures. The person in question could of used the same aircraft for his own video. Does anyone else think this is a resaonable hypothesis?
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RE: Graffiti Artist "Tags" Air Force One

Wed Apr 19, 2006 3:43 am

Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 45):
You'd better do, because without free speech, even A.net existence could be threatened. Remember, some sensitive topics such as the TSA, ElAl, the FAA, diversions are discussed everyday here...

You misinterpreted me. I do care about free speech. However, my point was that his particular issue does not matter as far as the discussion of the security breech is concerned.

With that said, 'freedom of speech' does not give one the right to vandalize.
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RE: Graffiti Artist "Tags" Air Force One

Wed Apr 19, 2006 3:43 am

Quoting Leelaw (Thread starter):
A New York graffiti artist claims to have spray-painted a nacelle of one of the US Air Force presidential transport Boeing 747-200B (DC-25A) with a name tag in an act of protest against restrictions on free speech.

Not even a remote possibility of happening without getting his @$$ shot off.

Quoting JRadier (Reply 12):
You just turned an assumption into a fact. It is likely to be a hoax, but one has to prove it.

It is a hoax. He'd be dead if it wasn't.

[Edited 2006-04-18 20:47:44]
 
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RE: Graffiti Artist "Tags" Air Force One

Wed Apr 19, 2006 3:46 am

This reminds me of a day in 1989 when we installed new Sun workstations at a Scripps Howard newspaper. The first thing we showed the Editor was a picture of the local hot air balloon race. Then we showed him a picture of a fire. We outlined the flame, cut it, and pasted it on the balloon. It looked very real.

His reaction was: "Holy Shit! if it isnt enough that news can be fabricated now images are suspect too!"

Yep.
Dont take life too seriously because you will never get out of it alive - Bugs Bunny

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