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What Do Pilots Do When They Need To ...

Sat Apr 29, 2006 6:04 pm

... take a piss or worse? Do they have a bag, and if yes: how do they prevent the bag from flying around? And how can they handle their willy in the cockpit with an anti-g suit on? Or do they wear kind of diapers?
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Sat Apr 29, 2006 6:34 pm

In fighters and helos, they have a pisstube. I don't know how they work in an anti-G suit though.
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Sat Apr 29, 2006 9:41 pm

An exerpt from one of CDR. Jack Woodul's highly enjoyable "Youthly Puresome" tales:


"On the road again, Puresome began to realize that the gallon of coke/coffee/Exedrin he had consumed as breakfast was saying, “Hi! Remember me?” from his nether regions. “No hill for a stepper,” thought Puresome, who gritted his teeth and concentrated on not wobbling around too much.

But as that great clock in the sky counted off another 1.0 of flight time, Youthly was fantasizing about hollow legs and trying desperately not to think about the wash of the waves below in the Golfo de Mexico. When his wingman noticed his lead was deteriorating, things were truly serious.

But the money the U.S. government had spent on survival training was not lost on Puresome. Inventorying the contents of the cockpit and wondering as to the waterproof qualities of his canvas nav bag, he happened to notice that his kneeboard radio frequency card was held in a zip-lock plastic sheath! Things moved smartly from here.

Quickly, he passed the lead to his wingman and advised him that he was going to move off from the flight to perform a control check. Seizing the stick between his knees and shucking the cards from the zip-lock, Puresome began the involved procedure of torso-harness, g-suit and flight-suit disassembly, as well as the search mission incident to the filling of the bag.

The rest of the flight marveled at the gyrations of the fighter undergoing rigorous control checking. Finally, it was done — the bag was safely sealed and stowed in a corner of the cockpit, and the flight suit, g-suit and torso harness were back in place."
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Sat Apr 29, 2006 11:25 pm

Yeah, lots of military aircraft had a 'relief tube' which was a funnel about an inch and a half across the top and maybe five inches long, leading to a flexible rubber tube that went to a small venturi below the cockpit area somewhere. Maybe later I'll check the database for a photo that shows this venturi.

However, some L-19 bird dogs did not.

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So one day, in circumstances similar to the tale above, I found myself in that same situation.

Well, I agonized over the situation for the longest hour you can imagine and finally realized that an immediate solution had to be found. Finally I unstrapped my seat belt/shoulder harness, shucked out of my parachute harness and got the plane trimmed hands-off as best I could. Then I crawled up and knelt on the seat and opened the side window out against the wing and sort of tried to get the procedure below the bottom of the window sill.

All was well until . . .

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Sun Apr 30, 2006 3:50 am

I don't know how they work in an anti-G suit though"

G-suit wraps only around the waist, thigh and calf. It's open in the crotch area like crotchless pantyhose. See picture below for comparison.



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Sun Apr 30, 2006 7:44 am

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 4):
G-suit wraps only around the waist

Then I can only hope Autoflug's Libelle (a water filled Anti-G suit for Typhoon pilots) has a 2-way zipper.

Thanks for the responses, guys.
Next time I enter a cockpit at IAA Berlin, I will ask where this damn 'relief tube' is. Big grin
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Sun Apr 30, 2006 8:17 am

I never saw a relief tube in the F-4. We had the "piddle packs" for Transatlantic crossings. When we had to wear the anti-exposure suits, there was a catheter to get through the layers of underwear, mesh liner, flight suit, anti-exposure suit, and g-suit. The anti-exposure suit was also known as the "poopie suit". We had a low residue flight lunch for the long flights to reduce the need to go in the suit. It was mostly meat chunks and cheese. The value of the g-suit on those flights was to keep blood from by pushing the test valve.
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Sun Apr 30, 2006 8:34 am

They just do what our Griffon pilots do, land in a middle of a random field and go behind a tree or something. Come back and take-off. Big grin
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Sun Apr 30, 2006 4:18 pm

My stepgrandfather, who was a Luftwaffe pilot during WW2 told me the following story from his training days:

During one of his first cross country solos in an open Buecker biplane he felt the morning coffee trying to say hello. No place to land (and he had thorougly gotten lost by then) and the pressure i his bladder becoming bigger and bigger. Finaly he just let go, into his underpants, flight suit and seat pack parachute (the type you'll see in WW2 newsreels hanging of the butt of the pilots. It doubles as a seat cushion). Eventually he landed back at his base, very embarrased and.... got charged to pay for the cleaning of the parachute.

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Sun Apr 30, 2006 10:49 pm

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 8):
got charged to pay for the cleaning of the parachute.

Ahhh, the "good 'ol days", LOL.

In the KC-135, we had a full latrine, complete with the 'ol "honey bucket". But, when women started flying with us, the honey bucket was quickly replaced with a fully functioning and electric chemical flush toliet.
 
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Sun Apr 30, 2006 11:09 pm

Quoting F4wso (Reply 6):
I never saw a relief tube in the F-4.

Right, they wouldn't work very well on a pressurized aircraft - tendency to whistle.

There were also some early ones without the venturi, just a little angle for the overboard vent. It was considered a great joke to twist the angle around forward, making it, in effect, a pitot. Seems the tube would get about half full before it would all blow back up through the funnel.

I pride myself that in about three thousand hours of military flying I never once used this device.

Quoting NoUFO (Thread starter):
or worse?

In my unit in Vietnam one of the backseat mission specialists got 'caught short' in a big way - number two. He found a plastic bag somewhere and used that but the pilots immediately discovered (guess how) what he'd done. I guess it was so bad that they landed at an un-manned, non-secured airfield deep in Charlieville somewhere and made him remove it - and then made him beg them not to leave him there.

Guys with any sort of distress (like the usual reaction to Chloroquine-Primaquine pills) would remove themselves from the flight schedule for a couple of days. There was no other solution for us.

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On a related matter, troops riding on the H-19 helicopter were sometimes told that if they felt airsick, they could use the hatch that gave direct access to the slingload hook. It was in the middle of the cargo deck. Problem was, the airflow around a helicopter is not nice and clean like it is an airplane. Hurl anything down that hatch in flight and there was a good chance it would blow right back in your face.
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Sun Apr 30, 2006 11:33 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 9):
In the KC-135, we had a full latrine, complete with the 'ol "honey bucket". But, when women started flying with us, the honey bucket was quickly replaced with a fully functioning and electric chemical flush toliet.

Yeah, the RC had the flush toilet too, but not always "fully functioning". Not good on an 18+ hour mission with 30 or more crew aboard.
 
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Mon May 01, 2006 12:11 am

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 9):
In the KC-135, we had a full latrine, complete with the 'ol "honey bucket". But, when women started flying with us, the honey bucket was quickly replaced with a fully functioning and electric chemical flush toliet.

I remember the "honey bucket" on the KC-135. On a flight from Okinawa to California (16 hours long) the crew chief made us sign a sheet when we used the "bucket." If you were the last one on the list when we landed, you had to empty it.
 
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Mon May 01, 2006 3:03 am

Quoting Jutes85 (Reply 7):
They just do what our Griffon pilots do, land in a middle of a random field and go behind a tree or something. Come back and take-off.

That's the way it is with us when we were stateside. One of the pilots or crew chiefs needed to take a piss... we simply landed in a field and let them step off.

Can't do that here. When we flew from Kuwait to Baghdad we had something similar to a piss bag, but it was a bottle. And when we were finished, we simply discarded it out the window while doing 150kts, 50ft above the ground! Piss Bombs.

On a related note: On a flight up to Mosul we had two crew chiefs out back... unknown to us they had managed to fill a two litter bottle w/ piss. While we were flying low and fast, they suddenly broke out into hysterical laughter. We had overflown a pack of camels and they released their bottle at the perfect moment and managed to wack one of the camels. PFCs  Yeah sure

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Mon May 01, 2006 6:12 am

I recall right after the first Gulf War there was a news report of an F-16 that crashed. The report indicated that the pilot was in the process of using his piddle-pack and while stepping on the rudder pedals the plane went wildly out of control. He ended up having to eject just before impact (I hope he managed to zip it back up before ejecting).

He claimed to have followed procedures and de-activated the rudder pedals in order to perform the in-cockpit maneuver, but apparently they were still active. I never heard what the outcome of the investigation was. Perhaps someone on here could fill in the blanks.

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 13):
and they released their bottle at the perfect moment and managed to wack one of the camels.

Given the stench of some camels I encountered in my travels years ago, I'm sure the smell of the urine was an improvement.  Big grin
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Mon May 01, 2006 6:53 am

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 5):
Then I can only hope Autoflug's Libelle (a water filled Anti-G suit for Typhoon pilots) has a 2-way zipper.

I forgot to post a picture of "Libelle":


Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 13):
and they released their bottle at the perfect moment and managed to wack one of the camels

That's not very nice.  grumpy 
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Mon May 01, 2006 8:42 am

Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 14):
recall right after the first Gulf War there was a news report of an F-16 that crashed. The report indicated that the pilot was in the process of using his piddle-pack and while stepping on the rudder pedals the plane went wildly out of control. He ended up having to eject just before impact (I hope he managed to zip it back up before ejecting).

He claimed to have followed procedures and de-activated the rudder pedals in order to perform the in-cockpit maneuver, but apparently they were still active. I never heard what the outcome of the investigation was. Perhaps someone on here could fill in the blanks.

True story happened in April 1991, it was a Air National Guard F-16 out of the Mid-West the pilot was being checked out on a cross country flight. He was heading to Vanderberg AFB and the accident happened while he was over Air Force Plant 42, Palmdale, California. When I heard about the crash I went to check it out. But I couldn't find the crash site. Drove around the airport perimeter twice looking. Later I found out the aircraft hit the ground at a 90% angle and there was nothing left, just some scorched earth. An interesting side note is that the L-1011 fatigue test airframe was parked less than 100 yards from where the F-16 impacted the earth.
 
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Mon May 01, 2006 10:48 am

UH-60, your reply reminded me of the fun of the FARP piss with a UH-60. Walk back under the engine, and TRY to have the exhaust blow the rotor wash away enough to take a leak. I learned to put my hand out and attempt to gauge the airflow to allow the proper aim point. I don't think urine would be good for the airframe, plus I don't ever take a leak on my bird, or hopefully on me. That would be very bad. When behind schedule, that was about the quickest way to get the job done. Some FOBs are not a good choice for this technique, such as Warhorse and sometimes Caldwell. Of course Washington pad would be bad also.

I got back to the states in Nov, was at good ol Speicher. I imagine you might have seen your last cloud for the next 6 months or so, the temps are getting toasty. Be safe and keep an eye out. Our top stick wiggler got about 725 hours, hope you can break our record. Top CE was somewhere around 670 hrs. The sand storms got nasty in May, and kept going until August. Hope your air warrior keeps working!

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Mon May 01, 2006 4:21 pm

On helicopters, Gatorade bottles come in very handy for these moments.


Quoting SlamClick (Reply 10):
On a related matter, troops riding on the H-19 helicopter were sometimes told that if they felt airsick, they could use the hatch that gave direct access to the slingload hook. It was in the middle of the cargo deck. Problem was, the airflow around a helicopter is not nice and clean like it is an airplane. Hurl anything down that hatch in flight and there was a good chance it would blow right back in your face.

The CH-53E is really bad about this, since the "hell hole" is about 3ft x 3ft.

I used a .50cal ammo can with a ziploc bag once for the "or worse" scenario - my in-flight lunch (USN "bag nasty" from the boat) had apparently picked up some hydraulic fluid at some point, and it had its way with my colon. Was NOT a pleasant flight...
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Tue May 02, 2006 1:23 am

Quoting 474218 (Reply 16):
True story happened in April 1991, it was a Air National Guard F-16 out of the Mid-West the pilot was being checked out on a cross country flight. He was heading to Vanderberg AFB and the accident happened while he was over Air Force Plant 42, Palmdale, California. When I heard about the crash I went to check it out. But I couldn't find the crash site. Drove around the airport perimeter twice looking. Later I found out the aircraft hit the ground at a 90% angle and there was nothing left, just some scorched earth. An interesting side note is that the L-1011 fatigue test airframe was parked less than 100 yards from where the F-16 impacted the earth.

So did you ever hear what the outcome of the investigation was? Did he in fact de-activate the rudder pedals (which means there was some mechanical/electrical malfunction that kept them active) or did he forget to perform that procedure? Or was it even something entirely different? Given the destructive force of the impact, perhaps there was no way to even determine what went wrong.

Regardless, what a way to lose your airplane!
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Tue May 02, 2006 6:38 am

Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 19):
So did you ever hear what the outcome of the investigation was? Did he in fact de-activate the rudder pedals (which means there was some mechanical/electrical malfunction that kept them active) or did he forget to perform that procedure? Or was it even something entirely different? Given the destructive force of the impact, perhaps there was no way to even determine what went wrong.

All I know is that his foot slipped and hit the rudder pedals. The rest as they say, is history. I don't even know if you can de-activate the rudder pedals. I know on some aircraft you can hydraulically shut off the rudder, but have no idea how to de-activate the pedals.
 
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Tue May 02, 2006 2:15 pm

Quoting 474218 (Reply 20):
I don't even know if you can de-activate the rudder pedals.

That's what was reported by the media so I suppose the "de-activation" capability has to be taken with a grain of salt.
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Tue May 02, 2006 7:32 pm

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 8):
During one of his first cross country solos in an open Buecker biplane he felt the morning coffee trying to say hello.

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

In general, as a son of a former copter pilot, I can tell you some stories about that:

- The copter that my father was used to pilot for decades (Sikorsky SH-3D, the naval version of the well known S-61) was provided with a sort of funnel equipped with a pipe that empty outside, just in front of the main access door. So, when they were in the need to do something "light", they had to use this "device"; for heavier needs (during the cold war the exercise flights were often near 5 hours... they were used to store in the copter some old newspaper... the rest of the story it's up to your imagination...)

- An unlucky colleague of my father, that was used to flew the AB-212, had a very bad day when he experienced a gastroenteritis attack during a flight above the sea ... after some minute spent in an unequal fight, he let go all in the flight suit... but it was only the beginning... since the AB-212 it's a two blades copter, one of its main characteristics is the high level of vibrations... long story short: when, after more than an hour, he landed "safely" at the base, the copter was a mess: the brown product of his sickness used the vibrations caused by the copter to peep out from his flight suit collar and to make dirty all around the cockpit! At the end all his colleagues started a money collection for the "winner" of that unpleasant cleaning job...
 
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Wed May 03, 2006 3:00 am

Another plane that doesn't have a relief tube is the C-130. While on display at an airshow in the 90's, our loadmaster caught a visitor trying to use an oxygen hose for near the paratroop door for a relief tube. It generated a lot of maintenance.
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Wed May 03, 2006 10:19 pm

well you military guys have got all the resources. as for us GA pilots, well there is always a gatorade bottle in the cockpit for some reason....
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Thu May 04, 2006 12:02 am

Quoting Cancidas (Reply 24):
as for us GA pilots, well there is always a gatorade bottle in the cockpit for some reason....

And the option of landing just about anywhere without running the risk of starring in Al Qaeda's next beheading video.

I once managed a five hour and twenty minute overwater flight in a single engine airplane. It did have a relief tube but I really did not want to use it. Life was real simple after I landed though - I knew exactly what I wanted to do next!
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Fri May 05, 2006 6:22 am

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Fri May 05, 2006 10:15 am

Quoting AFHokie (Reply 26):
Dear Lord won't you give me a 12 Inch Penis...

Don't joke. You think that the dimensions of the Pee Tubes (as they're known here, across the pond) just materialised out of a Member of Parliament's butt? In normal circumstances, I wouldn't be surprised, but, in this case, I know the story. A pee tube has to be the right size. If it's too small, there will be a certain level of discomfort (or impossibility of inserting the Right Honourable Member for Discharging-Under-Duress). If it's too large, then there will be a certain 'drainage' effect, leading to non-regulation khaki around the groin area of the flying suit. Obviously, those in the know promptly thought of Human Factors, and commissioned a study.

A certain HF engineer, known only as 'J' (you know who you are!) was tasked to go around the RAF bases and measure the dimensions of this particularly volatile store. She completed the study and made the report on the anthropometry of the said organ, which explains the size of the UK's pee tubes. As always happens in the office, numerous comments were made, such as the fact that the aforementioned male member of parliament is not always the same size and whether this was taken into account...

Now that women are also joining the front line squadrons, I assume that similar studies have been performed, although I have yet to see the results.
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Fri May 05, 2006 11:04 pm

Quoting Bsergonomics (Reply 27):
Now that women are also joining the front line squadrons, I assume that similar studies have been performed, although I have yet to see the results.

Supposedly, the reason the US military's flightsuits were changed in the mid-90's (to the style with the side zippers at the hips) was to accomodate the wave of female pilots and crewmembers that was coming. Everyone that I knew hated those flightsuits; apparently even the women disliked them. Enough ruckus was raised over it that they went back to the "former" flightsuit design. We were told the reasoning behind the change was for piddle-pack access without having to expose "the goods".

Dunno if that's true or not, but it's what our Flight Equipment guys told us...
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Thu Jun 01, 2006 8:24 pm

Before the Memphis Belle was moved to Dayton, I used to help restore the awesome B-17 on the weekends...corrision was all over that airplane, yet one of the most corrided areas was a part coming from the bomb bay where it was rumored that the crew would relieve themselves into the bomb bay and the corrisive stream usually hit this particular piece of alluminum!
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Fri Jun 02, 2006 2:37 am

Quoting Memphis (Reply 29):
one of the most corrided areas was a part coming from the bomb bay where it was rumored that the crew would relieve themselves

I have heard from C-130 maintenance folks that there is a lot of corrosion around the C-130 near the urinal drains.

I was fortunate to visit the Memphis Belle hangar in Millington a few times in April of 2005. It looked like you folks were doing a quality restoration. I wish you had been able to see the project through to completion.

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Fri Jun 02, 2006 7:42 am

Quoting F4wso (Reply 30):
I was fortunate to visit the Memphis Belle hangar in Millington a few times in April of 2005. It looked like you folks were doing a quality restoration. I wish you had been able to see the project through to completion.

All I can say is "working on that particular aircraft was a chance of a lifetime!"
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Fri Jun 02, 2006 10:40 am

Quoting F4wso (Reply 30):
I have heard from C-130 maintenance folks that there is a lot of corrosion around the C-130 near the urinal drains.

You should see the corrosion in the same areas in commercial aircraft. I swear most people loose all sense of decent human nature when they fly. Can't hit the target, rub snot on the walls and stick used bubble gum and worse in some strange places.
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Fri Jun 02, 2006 1:00 pm

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 32):
Can't hit the target, rub snot on the walls and stick used bubble gum and worse in some strange places.

You mean I'm not the only one to do that stuff on a plane?  Wink
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Fri Jun 02, 2006 2:09 pm

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 32):
You should see the corrosion in the same areas in commercial aircraft. I swear most people loose all sense of decent human nature when they fly. Can't hit the target, rub snot on the walls and stick used bubble gum and worse in some strange places.

Gee, I was talking about in the lower structure where the tubing runs through the fuselage.

An old tale goes...One really cold winter, a ramper was having a hard time hooking up the lavatory purging hose. The water freezing around the connection was generating a lot of leakage with his uniform catching the brunt of the blue juice. He finally gets so frustrated that he tells his partner he's had enough and is going to quit. His buddy replies, "What, and get out of aviation?"

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Quoting 474218 (Reply 12):
I remember the "honey bucket" on the KC-135. On a flight from Okinawa to California (16 hours long) the crew chief made us sign a sheet when we used the "bucket." If you were the last one on the list when we landed, you had to empty it.

Talk about a game of chicken. Big grin

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 10):
Quoting F4wso (Reply 6):
I never saw a relief tube in the F-4.

Right, they wouldn't work very well on a pressurized aircraft - tendency to whistle.

How do you think the astronauts did it before those fancy zero-g toilets? Apollo had a little tube that led to vacuum, with a hand-held valve control. The trick was to pinch right before you were done. If you did it too late, your penis got some nice suction. If you did it too early, the tube would pinch painfully around your penis.

#2 was worse. The device looked like a top hat with sticky stuff around the bottom of the brim. You held it to your butt and used the helpful finger slot to "help" the turds out (zero g, remember?). Once done, you sealed it. That's when the fun began. It was filled with this antimicrobial stuff which you had to KNEAD into the poo manually for a minute or two!

Quoting Bsergonomics (Reply 27):
Now that women are also joining the front line squadrons, I assume that similar studies have been performed, although I have yet to see the results.

If I were a woman, I would seriously consider a diaper. Heck I'd consider it as a man.
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RE: What Do Pilots Do When They Need To ...

Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:19 pm



Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 35):
You held it to your butt and used the helpful finger slot to "help" the turds out

Given the close-quarter environment, wouldn't sticking your finger in a hole and pulling it out risk having tiny pieces of fecal matter floating through the cabin and risking everyone's health, which was paramount, especially on long moon journeys? Why couldn't they create a suction in the turd bag like they did in the pee tube that would "help" the turds out? I don't think it would have taken a lot of suction to move things along. Also, there is that unique human proclivity to urinate either during or immediately after pinching it off so that would also benefit from negative pressure inside the turd bag.
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