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RAAF C17

Sat May 06, 2006 8:43 pm

Does anyone have any idea as to when the first C17 begins assembly at Long Beach? I was told that it takes 3 months to assemble and as they will receive the first C17 by the end of the year I thought it would be getting close if not already on its way doen the line.
 
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RAAF C17

Sun May 07, 2006 7:41 pm

The RAAF will get one of the C-17A USAF production sloted airplanes build in October 2006. Then they get 2 slots in 2007, and 1 in 2008. The one pushed back USAF 2006 airplane will now be delivered in 2008.
 
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RAAF C17

Sun May 07, 2006 10:15 pm

And we are getting some sensible modifications to the Standard USAF version....
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RAAF C17

Mon May 08, 2006 4:22 pm

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 2):
And we are getting some sensible modifications to the Standard USAF version....

What modifications? I thought the RAAF C-17s were the same standard as the current block of USAF C-17As. That is why they were able to get those USAF production numbers. Is that not true?
 
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RAAF C17

Mon May 08, 2006 10:09 pm

Hey KC135,

I was being facetious, in an era when any buyer of military hardware feels they know better and have to reinvent the wheel so to speak thus leading to a/ cost blowouts b/delays c/reduced capability(in most cases) The RAAF is making (I believe) the only sensible modification... Painting Royal Australian Air Force on the side of them...
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RAAF C17

Tue May 09, 2006 11:03 pm

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 4):
the only sensible modification... Painting Royal Australian Air Force on the side of them...

and not to mention strapping on real Kangaroos instead of painted roos in the roundels to give them that extra spring and increase lift capability!
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RE: Raaf C17

Thu May 25, 2006 5:30 pm

Correct me if I'm wrong, but will they lease their C-17s like the RAF does?


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RE: Raaf C17

Thu May 25, 2006 10:59 pm

Quoting Svenskpilot (Reply 6):
Correct me if I'm wrong, but will they lease their C-17s like the RAF does?

I think the RAAF learned by example: The RAF has concluded that they really should have just bought them outright in the first place. The RAAF will do exactly that.
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RE: Raaf C17

Fri May 26, 2006 9:56 am

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 3):
I thought the RAAF C-17s were the same standard as the current block of USAF C-17As. That is why they were able to get those USAF production numbers. Is that not true?

I am sure you will see integration of an AEW package down the line. There is a package currently being developed for the C-130 aircraft that I think will migrate to the C-17 but I see no need for anything else.

Wouldn't it have been nice to see a C-17 land in Dili yesterday. Can the runways of alot of our near neighbours handle this sized aircraft. Considering the deployments we have seen to the Solomons and to East Timor recently the ability to drop in twice as many troops in one hit will be greatly appreciated.
 
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RE: Raaf C17

Wed Oct 11, 2006 3:08 pm

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KUALA LUMPUR, Oct 11 (Bernama) -- The first Boeing C-17 Globemaster III for the Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) has rolled out of the company's paint hangar in Long Beach, Calif., and has begun preparations for its first flight, scheduled for later this month.

"The C-17 will give Australia a new global airlift capability, significantly enhancing our ability to support national and international operations, and major disaster rescue and relief efforts," said Australia's Acting Chief of Air Force, Air Vice-Marshal John Blackburn.

"All of Australia is looking forward to delivery of this new capability and seeing it quickly commence operation. The C-17 will meet the vital airlift needs of the Australian Defence Force over the next 30 years."



http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v3/news_lite.php?id=224212
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RE: Raaf C17

Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:09 am

Thanks for the update Columba, it is impressive how quickly the RAAF has acquired this aircraft.

A no nonsense purchase of a much needed capability, if only they were all this easy!
 
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RE: Raaf C17

Fri Oct 13, 2006 12:09 am

Yeah thanks for that too. Couldn't find anything in the Australian media strangely enough.

Quoting Ozair (Reply 10):
A no nonsense purchase of a much needed capability, if only they were all this easy!

Yes interesting when you purchase something that is still advanced and capable (compared to anything in that market) as the day it was rolled out yet from a very mature production line. If only one could apply this sort of procurement argument to the Raptor instead of the JSF?
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RE: Raaf C17

Fri Oct 13, 2006 6:48 am

Quoting TSV (Reply 11):
If only one could apply this sort of procurement argument to the Raptor instead of the JSF?

Who can say... I hope for you this to become true.
For me is impossible but instead of JSF I would prefer to see in my ariforce more multirole typhoons.
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Only one aircraft, only a logistic, less cost of develpment. More quick in service.

And I envy to you for the C-17...
 
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RE: Raaf C17

Fri Oct 13, 2006 7:55 am

Quoting TSV (Reply 11):
If only one could apply this sort of procurement argument to the Raptor instead of the JSF?

Well, a retired RAAF Air Vice Marshall agrees with you!
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RE: Raaf C17

Sat Oct 14, 2006 1:03 am

UH-60's suck!!!
 
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RE: Raaf C17

Sat Oct 14, 2006 3:05 am

Quoting Papoose (Reply 12):
Only one aircraft, only a logistic, less cost of develpment. More quick in service.

So what are you going to do when your Typhoon rolls off the end of Cavour into the ocean?
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RE: Raaf C17

Sat Oct 14, 2006 6:22 pm

Quoting N328KF (Reply 15):
So what are you going to do when your Typhoon rolls off the end of Cavour into the ocean?

To have 16/18 F-35 on a carrier we don't need 60 or more in the airforce.

We can buy directly or at least assemble them here as done with the AV-8Bs, without participate to the developement and avoiding to spend so much money; money wich can be spent better...

For example for some C-17...

Papoose

[Edited 2006-10-14 11:29:24]
 
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RE: Raaf C17

Sun Oct 15, 2006 2:44 am

Quoting Papoose (Reply 16):
We can buy directly or at least assemble them here as done with the AV-8Bs, without participate to the developement and avoiding to spend so much money; money wich can be spent better...

You do realize that the F-35 is a significantly more capable airframe than the Eurofighter, right? They are not really comparable.
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RE: Raaf C17

Sun Oct 15, 2006 3:10 am

I realize that for my country is very difficult to afford such a cost in this moment.
Even if I agree that the lightning II is -will be- more capable in the A/G role I think that typhoon, except for the stealth is a very capable and probably more capable in the future multirole platform. Anyway more than adapted for the Italian Air force for many years.
 
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RE: Raaf C17

Sun Oct 15, 2006 3:36 am

Quoting TSV (Reply 5):

and not to mention strapping on real Kangaroos instead of painted roos in the roundels to give them that extra spring and increase lift capability!

Maybe the Kangaroo should have been on the tail instead of the prancing stallion as shown on the link in Reply 14. Makes an apt comparison to the roo's pouch cargo carrying ability.  Smile
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RE: Raaf C17

Mon Oct 16, 2006 8:29 pm

Just received some photos of the RAAF C-17A doing the rounds. Anyone know of an easy way to upload them somewhere?
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RE: Raaf C17

Mon Oct 16, 2006 9:18 pm

Are they your photos, or copyrighted to someone else?

This is an aviation photo siter after all...

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RE: Raaf C17

Mon Oct 16, 2006 11:42 pm

ANy other country that wants C-17's better poop or get of the pot. I bet if these planes were being built by Boeing Witchita there would be no talk of shutting down the line. I guess Boeing is desperate to get out of California and sell all its assets quickly to the real estate mad speculators. I bet the land that the Long Beach assy is sitting on is worth more than the factory or the planes it puts out.
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RE: Raaf C17

Thu Oct 19, 2006 10:46 pm

Quoting Migfan (Reply 21):
Are they your photos, or copyrighted to someone else?

Ones I've received are the same as these :

http://www.aussiemodeller.com/pages/discussiongroup/forum.html

which appear to have been doing the rounds within and now outside of the RAAF.
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RE: Raaf C17

Wed Nov 15, 2006 4:06 am

You all don't have much longer to wait for the real thing. The "ROO" had its 5-hour maiden flight at Long Beach Airport, and is scheduled for delivery on Nov 28. An early Christmas present.....

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...ralia's+debut+C-17+lifts+off.html
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Wed Nov 29, 2006 1:42 pm

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KUALA LUMPUR, Nov 29 (Bernama) -- Boeing on Tuesday delivered to the Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) its first C-17 Globemaster III during a ceremony at the company's Long Beach, Calif., C-17 manufacturing facility.

Senior RAAF officials joined more than 1,000 C-17 employees for the delivery celebration.

"I am very pleased our team was able to provide world-class airlift capability to our customer in record time," said Dave Bowman, C-17 programme vice president.

"This is a great day for Boeing and demonstrates our commitment to design, build, deliver and support the world's greatest airlifter," he said in a statement issued by Boeing from St Louis, Tuesday.

Air Vice-Marshal John Quaife, Air Commander Australia for the RAAF also noted the speed and ease of the acquisition and Boeing's role in supporting the plane's successful introduction to Australia.

"We are very pleased to acquire this new, Responsive Global Airlift capability in Australia," Quaife said.

"The C-17s will dramatically increase our ability to support worldwide operations of the Australian Defence Force as well as humanitarian relief in the Asia Pacific region."

The newly delivered aircraft features the "Block 17" configuration -- the most modern variant of C-17s built by Boeing, with upgraded software and avionics. The RAAF C-17 also has unique markings, differentiating it from U.S. Air Force C-17s.

A black stallion on the C-17's tail identifies the airplane as part of the RAAF's No. 36 Squadron, an airlift unit that will be based in Amberley, west of Brisbane.

A kangaroo on the aircraft's fuselage is part of the RAAF roundel, a distinctive emblem painted on military aircraft to indicate its nation of origin.

The Australian aircraft is the first international C-17 delivery since the United Kingdom's Royal Air Force received its fourth C-17 in August 2001.

After a Dec. 4 welcome ceremony in Canberra, Australia's capital city, the RAAF's first C-17 will arrive at RAAF Base Amberley on Dec 6.

The second Australian C-17 is scheduled for delivery in 2007, and the final two aircraft will be delivered in 2008.

The C-17 is the world's only tactical airlift aircraft with strategic capabilities. Capable of flying between continents and landing on short, austere runways, the C-17 is used worldwide for both military and humanitarian missions.

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RE: Raaf C17

Fri Dec 01, 2006 10:03 am

During my recent trip to the States there was one RAAF C-17 in front of the C-17 facility at Long Beach:

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b...ready/A41206_LGB_20062111_8544.jpg

Unfortunately I was not able to get a clear shot of it, so priority screening was rejected and its now in the normal queue.
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RE: Raaf C17

Fri Dec 01, 2006 5:49 pm

For those who are interested in, below you will find the link to the photo of the RAAF C-17:

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...61201_A41206_LGB_20062111_8544.jpg

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RE: Raaf C17

Mon Dec 04, 2006 10:29 pm

Well apparently it arrived in Canberra today but didn't make many News bulletins as other things were happening in Canberra today.

Anyone know when it arrives at Amberley?
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RE: Raaf C17

Tue Dec 05, 2006 5:33 pm

We were told at work that its arriving tomorrow (6th Dec), with a few passes over the airfield before an official function, sometime in the late morning, i believe.
 
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RE: Raaf C17

Wed Dec 06, 2006 9:16 am

Nice aircraft. Good luck RAAF!

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RE: Raaf C17

Wed Dec 06, 2006 11:09 am

The arrival in Canberra :

http://www.defence.gov.au/media/download/2006/Dec/20061204b.cfm

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