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Super SeaSprites For The RAN, Is It The End?

Mon May 15, 2006 4:59 pm

http://www.smh.com.au/news/NATIONAL/...-ALP/2006/05/15/1147545231093.html

After years of protracted development and failed attempts to certify the aircraft to fly in any reasonable condition safely it seems we are about the see the end of the great SeaSprite experiment.

Was it just a software mile too far, a bad investment in "old new" technology or as Kim Beasley would have us think simple mismanagement?

Is the NH90 the potential replacement?
 
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RE: Super SeaSprites For The RAN, Is It The End?

Mon May 15, 2006 8:10 pm

I do not know the particulars of all the problems, but purchasing a forty-year old aircraft as new has to have it's catches. Was the purchase decision political?

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RE: Super SeaSprites For The RAN, Is It The End?

Mon May 15, 2006 9:34 pm

There were brand new Super Seasprites available..not sure if Australia got those or not? New Zealand purchased Super Seasprites for the RNZN and they are working great! (They have different computers and software from the RAN models). Aparently the Australian govt is going to sue the manufacturers, hopefully they replace the computers and software to the same as the RNZN uses and then they won't have a problem!
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RE: Super SeaSprites For The RAN, Is It The End?

Tue May 16, 2006 3:44 am

The Australians seem to have real difficulty in getting the software integrated and fully functional.

The airframe is terrific, and it's currently being used by the Kiwis, Poles, Egyptians and others. I'd say that systems integrations problems of the magnitude Australia has had indicate problems in their procurement process with either expectations or selection of providers. The 40 year old design of the airframe is not the problem....it's the brand new software.
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RE: Super SeaSprites For The RAN, Is It The End?

Tue May 16, 2006 11:02 am

Quoting DL021 (Reply 3):
The 40 year old design of the airframe is not the problem....it's the brand new software.

Most certainly this is the issue. Whose fault is it though?

Is the RAN and DMO at blame for asking too much of the technology or did Kaman promise too much during the initial bid?

This program has been going on so long I have forgotten what the initial purchase requirements were and who were the competitors. I have wondered why they didn't purchase the SH-60 considering they already had a small fleet deployed on the FFGs. Does anyone know more of the background to this?
 
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RE: Super SeaSprites For The RAN, Is It The End?

Tue May 16, 2006 12:18 pm

I think the RAN was going to buy some large patrol boats that we were also trying to sell to Malaysia. The patrol boats were too small to take a Seahawk. Malaysia cancelled and so did our Navy but we already had the Seasprites on order.

This article gives a good overview of the project-

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...ory/0,20867,19145841-31477,00.html
 
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RE: Super SeaSprites For The RAN, Is It The End?

Tue May 16, 2006 3:44 pm

Quoting Fultod (Reply 5):
This article gives a good overview of the project-

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au....html

Very interesting, thank you for the link.

So if as the article alludes to that the program is finished, what should we view as a replacement? The NH90 or the SH-60?
 
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RE: Super SeaSprites For The RAN, Is It The End?

Tue May 16, 2006 10:15 pm

Quoting Ozair (Reply 4):
Is the RAN and DMO at blame for asking too much of the technology or did Kaman promise too much during the initial bid?

I don't think Kaman was the integrator on the software. They produced the airframes and made sure they flew. I'll look that up.

Quoting Ozair (Reply 4):
. I have wondered why they didn't purchase the SH-60 considering they already had a small fleet deployed on the FFGs. Does anyone know more of the background to this?

The FFGs had room for the Seahawks, but the new frigates built for Australia did not have as much room, and the SeaSprites were smaller allowing for lower cost and less space.
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RE: Super SeaSprites For The RAN, Is It The End?

Thu May 18, 2006 4:46 pm

There is an article in today's paper saying that Kaman expect the problems to be fixed in a couple of months-

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...ory/0,20867,19164102-31477,00.html

It will be interesting to see if the Navy persist with the Seasprites.

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