baroque
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Boeing Gets The Nelson "touch"

Thu Jun 29, 2006 10:08 pm

From:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200606/s1674330.htm

Thursday, June 29, 2006. 8:49am (AEST)

"Nelson slams Boeing delays

Australian Defence Minister Brendan Nelson has used his trip to Washington to criticise a US defence contractor for a lengthy delay in a key project.

Brendan Nelson has met senior Boeing executives in Washington, making it clear he is disappointed that delivery of the Wedgetail Airborne Early Warning and Control (AWACS) aircraft has been delayed by at least 12 months.

"I think Boeing has let the Australian Government down and I think they've let themselves down," he said.

"Now what I intend to do is make damn sure that Boeing delivers on the project."

Ultimately, he said he expected the project to succeed. "

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RE: Boeing Gets The Nelson "touch"

Sun Jul 02, 2006 2:36 pm

Quoting Baroque (Thread starter):
Brendan Nelson has met senior Boeing executives in Washington, making it clear he is disappointed that delivery of the Wedgetail Airborne Early Warning and Control (AWACS) aircraft has been delayed by at least 12 months.

"I think Boeing has let the Australian Government down and I think they've let themselves down," he said.

"Now what I intend to do is make damn sure that Boeing delivers on the project."

Ultimately, he said he expected the project to succeed. "

Australian politicians sounds just like American politicians. "I'm here to take over and fix the program". LOL

It seems the RAAF doesn't agree with him. All I have heard is the RAAF just loves the Wedgetail, and they want all of the systems ironed out before they take delivery.
 
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RE: Boeing Gets The Nelson "touch"

Sun Jul 02, 2006 5:23 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 1):
Australian politicians sounds just like American politicians. "I'm here to take over and fix the program". LOL

It seems the RAAF doesn't agree with him. All I have heard is the RAAF just loves the Wedgetail, and they want all of the systems ironed out before they take delivery.

I fear your first statement is all too true, out pollies just love learning from the US. So far the different electoral systems make some outcomes different.

Brendon N is very keen to make his mark on defence, but we dont have much idea what that will mean. His record from his last portfolio is one of an idealogue where he peddled some idiosyncratic ideas across the education area. These ranged from support for intelligent design (for organisms not airplanes, so relax there) to voluntary subscription to central facilities in universities. His efforts there bid fair to cripple services to students unless they are fast reversed. It may be difficult to tell which eye he is using for his telescope.

He probably has an agenda, so blasting Boeing was probably just the bit of the iceberg that was above the water. He was a General Practitioner but there does not seem to be a record of how his bedside manner went with the patients.

Arguably, the universities were in the same position as the RAAF is now, so dont expect him necessarily to put their interests above his own.
 
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RE: Boeing Gets The Nelson "touch"

Tue Jul 04, 2006 8:59 am

I was wondering what Nelson youse guys were referring to. The one I'm familiar with said "England expects that every man shall do his duty" and came home in a barrel of brandy.

Now THAT'S a Nelson to believe in.

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RE: Boeing Gets The Nelson "touch"

Thu Jul 06, 2006 2:18 pm

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 3):
I was wondering what Nelson youse guys were referring to. The one I'm familiar with said "England expects that every man shall do his duty" and came home in a barrel of brandy.

That's the one. Also known for placing a telescope to his blind eye. He tends to be credited for winning Trafalgar which is a curious way to win. Personally, I always thought that Admiral Lord Collingwood looked much more like a winner, at least he was able to walk after the battle! But we dont have any ministers called Collingwood, Aus Rules football team, but no ministers.

Things seem to have been quiet after the burst of publicity over the Wedgetail, but I am sure he has been beavering away over there at something.

"The project is under-budget, on-time and by the RAAF's determination, an extremely well managed project." says the first article on a Google search for Wedgetail Project dated 17 Nov 2004."

This is not quite the same as #4 which states:
"Boeing has admitted Australia's Wedgetail early warning aircraft could be delayed by up to 18 months, with the company possibly having to pay Australia damages for late delivery." The Age June 30 2006.

No more press releases. Interestingly the link to press releases from Nelson links only to those issued when he was Min for Education. Looks like defence might be trying to shorten the leash on young Brendon.
 
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RE: Boeing Gets The Nelson "touch"

Thu Jul 06, 2006 4:55 pm

Quoting Baroque (Reply 4):
No more press releases.

He might have gotten what he wanted.....
http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...C+problems+cost+Boeing+dearly.html
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RE: Boeing Gets The Nelson "touch"

Thu Jul 06, 2006 5:20 pm

Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 5):
He might have gotten what he wanted...

Thanks, interesting to see details of the costs to Boeing. Now we can relax and wait to be told how much more it will cost us in Aus. If not if must be a first for this current Aus government.

I guess Boeing is lucky Nelson was a GP and not a surgeon!
 
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RE: Boeing Gets The Nelson "touch"

Wed Jul 12, 2006 11:23 am

US told to put fighter jet details in writing

Cynthia Banham Defence Reporter July 12, 2006

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/...ting/2006/07/11/1152383742667.html

Presumably young Nelson was organizing this. Seems he does not want to take Rummies word on the matter. I thought he must be up to something and the F-35 program seemed a likely area.

It would be fascinating to be a fly on the wall while they are drafting the "agreement". Maybe Rumsfeld will get his own back by including his known unknowns and unknown unknowns principle into it.

No mention of co-ordination with the UK, but they would be mad if they did not. Then again, sorry I wrote that .....!
 
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RE: Boeing Gets The Nelson "touch"

Wed Jul 12, 2006 11:54 am

Quoting Baroque (Reply 6):

Thanks, interesting to see details of the costs to Boeing. Now we can relax and wait to be told how much more it will cost us in Aus.

As it turns out, that may be a bit premature, as US taxpayers might end up being saddled with those. Although how much of it and which part would be allowed are still open to debate. Boeing Wants Taxpayers To Subsidize Its Govt Fines (by Max999 Jul 7 2006 in Military Aviation & Space Flight)
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RE: Boeing Gets The Nelson "touch"

Wed Jul 12, 2006 3:32 pm

Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 8):
As it turns out, that may be a bit premature, as US taxpayers might end up being saddled with those. Although how much of it and which part would be allowed are still open to debate.

Only premature to the extent that they are playing musical chairs with the US costs. It is a pessimistic guess, but I suggest that no matter who else pays how much, it will be "discovered" that we need to pay more TOO. Our Senate estimates committees have just been "adjusted for greater efficiency" - read become completely dominated by the Government. So attack dogs like our Sen Faulkner have difficulty in getting straight answers.

Hopefully, not remotely related, but our forces have just been adjudged not to have been at fault where they shot some Iraqi bodyguards for the Iraqi Minister for Trade who were supposed to be helping an Aus delegation drive away from a meeting. Interestingly, they were able to make that assessment without interviewing any of the Iraqis who were shot up. This is currently the end of a litany of incompetence in relation to Defence. So plenty of reasons to be depressed about a happy outcome to almost any event!

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