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Taepo Dong Long Shot Flops

Wed Jul 05, 2006 1:34 pm

Title says it all pretty much. They finally launched it and it failed after approximately 35 seconds. Haven't heard if it was a spectacular failure but this is likely.

Approximately 5 Scuds were launched at the same time - no clue what they were trying to accomplish with this other than possibly piss off Japan.

It should be very interesting to see how the North Korean government tries to spin this.
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RE: Taepo Dong Long Shot Flops

Wed Jul 05, 2006 2:36 pm

Lots of fireworks on the 4th of July - In addition to the space shuttle launch, North Korea launches 6 missiles and probably killed a lot of fish, since they all fell into the sea of Japan. Price of sushi will probably go down in Tokio.

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RE: Taepo Dong Long Shot Flops

Wed Jul 05, 2006 3:15 pm

Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Thread starter):
Taepo Dong Long Shot Flops

They need to change the name of the rocket, it is just two easy to drop the 1st, 3rd and 4th words of the title to come up with a dirty joke.
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RE: Taepo Dong Long Shot Flops

Thu Jul 06, 2006 1:50 am

I'm curious: How many of you think that N. Korea purposely made these launches flop?? I mean, if I wanted to calm the nerves of my adversary, I'd try to make it 'look' like we didn't have our act together. Is N. Korea smart enough to use this kind of psychology??

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RE: Taepo Dong Long Shot Flops

Thu Jul 06, 2006 2:07 am

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 3):
I'm curious: How many of you think that N. Korea purposely made these launches flop?? I mean, if I wanted to calm the nerves of my adversary, I'd try to make it 'look' like we didn't have our act together. Is N. Korea smart enough to use this kind of psychology??

No way in hell.

btw, they launched another today. Also, it turns out that they were stupid enough to crash one near(not sure exactly what this means) Russian territory. Not very shrewd on their part, if the permanent members of the Security Council are all pissed at them then they'll be in for a rough ride.

Quoting Baron95 (Reply 1):
Price of sushi will probably go down in Tokio.

Can you get top dollar for fragged tuna. Maybe they killed a whale and Greenpeace will go after them.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 2):
They need to change the name of the rocket, it is just two easy to drop the 1st, 3rd and 4th words of the title to come up with a dirty joke.

Some of the smaller missiles fired were Nodong models. You don't even have to do anything to that one to have a Beavis & Butthead moment.
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RE: Taepo Dong Long Shot Flops

Thu Jul 06, 2006 3:17 am

What are the chances the US downed the rockets?
 
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RE: Taepo Dong Long Shot Flops

Thu Jul 06, 2006 4:54 am

The North Koreans probably won't even acknowledge the fact they even launched them since they failed.
 
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RE: Taepo Dong Long Shot Flops

Thu Jul 06, 2006 6:22 am

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 3):
How many of you think that N. Korea purposely made these launches flop??

Even considering that the engineers and scientists working on those were probably paid a pittance by western standards, the costs of those projects to a country whose people had faced wide starvation were simply staggering, for them to intentionally sabotage its success just to please the West and put a spin on it. Besides, KJI's ego and the Nokors' national pride would countenance nothing short of an astounding display. Nobody would want to be in those technicians' and officers' positions right now.

Quoting SCEagle (Reply 5):
What are the chances the US downed the rockets?

It was convincingly clear that the U.S. didn't have to think about it. The propaganda mileage KJI could have gained would be far damaging than letting them conduct the test unhampered.

The article referred to the smaller missiles as "Rodong." Anyway, the topic title is apt. It was a "long shot" - but we could not relax and rely on them failing on their next try.

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RE: Taepo Dong Long Shot Flops

Thu Jul 06, 2006 7:27 am

Let's just send some of our own armed ambassadors on a "Peacekeeping" mission of goodwill and let's offer some of our own nuclear ICBM's to North Korea (pointy-end first, of course) if they want nuclear missiles so bad.

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RE: Taepo Dong Long Shot Flops

Thu Jul 06, 2006 7:51 am

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 3):
How many of you think that N. Korea purposely made these launches flop?

I don't think that for a second. Although this TPD2 wasn't targeted towards the U.S., North Korea clearly intended to display some of it's range. It was a flop, pure and simple. I am surprised, though, that the Nokors haven't claimed that they flopped intentionally. I suspect that there is one or two rocket scientists packing for the North Korean version of the Gulag tonight.
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RE: Taepo Dong Long Shot Flops

Thu Jul 06, 2006 8:55 am

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 9):
I suspect that there is one or two rocket scientists packing for the North Korean version of the Gulag tonight.

I do not even think they will get a chance to pack. Off they go!!!

The amount of saber rattling on the part of KJI is only going to work against him. The said part is that his people will end up paying the price. I am actually quite suprised that N.Korea could not buy the talent to build the rockets properly. Iran, Pakistan, China, Former Soviet Republics have plenty of freelance talent for sale. I am not claiming that the citizens of these nations are all supporting terrorists aka "The Axis of Evil", but these are countries that were all working towards the same goal.

According to NY Times the US does have a missile defense system ready for use...

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RE: Taepo Dong Long Shot Flops

Thu Jul 06, 2006 9:12 am

Quoting SCEagle (Reply 5):
What are the chances the US downed the rockets?

Zero. If we could get in close enough to toast missiles at 40 sec into boost then SDI wouldn't be near as big of a challenge.

Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 7):
but we could not relax and rely on them failing on their next try.

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RE: Taepo Dong Long Shot Flops

Thu Jul 06, 2006 11:08 am

Let this be a lesson to the Iranians about where they ought to be shopping and what wagon they're doing business out of.

If the best they can do is Dong technology, then what the rest of the world faces is Iranian built reverse engineered North Korean built reverse engineered Soviet built reverse engineered German V2 rockets with some modest improvements. Probably use a transistor radio for guidance rather than the Volksempfanger LOL.
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RE: Taepo Dong Long Shot Flops

Thu Jul 06, 2006 1:31 pm

Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 7):
Nobody would want to be in those technicians' and officers' positions right now.

Don't you guys get it?
1 - The Taepo Dong missile launch failed.
2 - There were 5 main scientists/engineers in charge of the project.
3 - They quickly launch 5 additional scud missiles.
4 - Who do you supposed was strapped on the tip of those missiles?  Smile
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RE: Taepo Dong Long Shot Flops

Thu Jul 06, 2006 1:50 pm

Quoting Baron95 (Reply 13):
Who do you supposed was strapped on the tip of those missiles? Smile

Could we now then classify those as "intelligent" warheads?  Smile
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RE: Taepo Dong Long Shot Flops

Thu Jul 06, 2006 8:49 pm

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 12):
f the best they can do is Dong technology, then what the rest of the world faces is Iranian built reverse engineered North Korean built reverse engineered Soviet built reverse engineered German V2 rockets with some modest improvements. Probably use a transistor radio for guidance rather than the Volksempfanger LOL.

You're right. It would be like trusting the logistics of your army to a LADA.

Quoting Baron95 (Reply 13):
Don't you guys get it?

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RE: Taepo Dong Long Shot Flops

Thu Jul 06, 2006 10:16 pm

Quoting Baron95 (Reply 13):
Who do you supposed was strapped on the tip of those missiles?

Out of all the threads on the DPRK...I like this statement the best. Maybe that will prevent them from trying to build more.

Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Thread starter):
It should be very interesting to see how the North Korean government tries to spin this.

They didn't. North Korean's don't even know that their government launched them. When the DPRK launched a TPD-1 in 1998, they shared it with the nation as a "gift from the Dear leader to raise their spirits on their march to a better socialist nation." But this time the leading story on the DPRK news was "Kim Jong Il Gives On-Site Guidance to New Pyongyang Taesong Tyre Factory"link...prepare to laugh or be confused by the language. (I have to read twice or three times to understand what the hell they are talking about.) Only recently did they make a statement that it was a regular test within the rights of the sovereign nation of North Korea. ie...We meant for them to fall into the sea. We meant for one to blow up after 35seconds.

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RE: Taepo Dong Long Shot Flops

Thu Jul 06, 2006 10:29 pm

There was an article by Peter Alford in the Australian yesterday in which he says that launching was a huge tactical blunder for several reasons.

Mostly it's a bluff that flopped and now everyone knows North Korea has been playing with a pair of treys.
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RE: Taepo Dong Long Shot Flops

Thu Jul 06, 2006 11:57 pm

Ahhh, a wiseguy, eh?!

 
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RE: Taepo Dong Long Shot Flops

Fri Jul 07, 2006 3:28 am

Quoting Centrair (Reply 16):
hey didn't. North Korean's don't even know that their government launched them.

I knew that would be the case, I was curious how they would spin it to the outside world.

Quoting Centrair (Reply 16):
Yeah and Kim Jong Il doesn't wear platform shoes.

or women's underwear.
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RE: Taepo Dong Long Shot Flops

Fri Jul 07, 2006 3:54 am

What scares me the most, for the North Korean population, is when these fools start messing around with miniaturizing nukes to put on these missiles.

I can hear the discussion "But oh revered Kim Jong II, the nuke weights 1000 lbs but the missile can only lift 500 lbs" followed by some smart remark that "But oh revered Kim Jong II, the lead radiation shield weights 500 lbs, and if we deploy the warhead without the shield, it will fly to incinerate Japan and the US"

Anyway you get the picture, it will lead to more suffering, illness, birth defects to the North Korean people, to add to oppression, illiteracy and starvation, and god forbid, could lead to a serious nuclear industrial or military accident.

My heart goes out to the North Korean families. I'm more worried about then than the chances of this fool ever being able to get a functioning nuclear warhead outside his airspace.
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RE: Taepo Dong Long Shot Flops

Fri Jul 07, 2006 4:18 am

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 12):
Probably use a transistor radio for guidance rather than the Volksempfanger LOL.

You give them too much credit, where do you think all those vacume tubes went when we converted to transitors?  Big grin

Also, how long will it take for someone to call it a Long Dong on TV?  scratchchin 

Has anyone ever seen a picture from orbit of Korea? The south is lit up like a Christmas Tree right up to the border and the north is TOTALLY dark. Very telling. You can see the border perfectly.
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RE: Taepo Dong Long Shot Flops

Fri Jul 07, 2006 9:38 am

Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Reply 15):
Quoting Dougloid (Reply 12):
f the best they can do is Dong technology, then what the rest of the world faces is Iranian built reverse engineered North Korean built reverse engineered Soviet built reverse engineered German V2 rockets with some modest improvements. Probably use a transistor radio for guidance rather than the Volksempfanger LOL.


You're right. It would be like trusting the logistics of your army to a LADA.

It's worse than that. It would be like trusting the logistics of your army to a Korean reverse engineered Chinese reverse engineered Soviet reverse engineered Studebaker Lend Lease Deuce and a half complete with split windshield and flathead six.

I believe the Chinese copy of the soviet copy of the Studebaker truck is still in production.

Rumor has it that North Korea is getting another Dong ready for a shot...this could be painted silver and thus the "Long Dong Silver"...or the "Rilly!Rilly!Huge Dong and we ain't kidding this time the last was a bluff but we'll knock your sox off this time!"

No sirree, no premature ejaculation from this Dong! You'll see!
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RE: Taepo Dong Long Shot Flops

Fri Jul 07, 2006 9:51 am

I doubt that this boosted their export potential.
 
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RE: Taepo Dong Long Shot Flops

Fri Jul 07, 2006 10:48 am

Sure North Korea has these missiles, but they have more of a scare value then anything else.

Some of the missiles they fired were the SS-1 Scud which has been around since the 1950s and has suspect guidance anyway.
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RE: Taepo Dong Long Shot Flops

Fri Jul 07, 2006 1:20 pm

It looks like the TD2 was aimed toward Hawaii. Apparently, there was enough telemetry gathered to interpolate its trajectory. Guess KJI wanted to really rattle our cages, but came up short....

Thank goodness.

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RE: Taepo Dong Long Shot Flops

Fri Jul 07, 2006 5:08 pm

Well if they keep trying, they will be out of an inventory very soon. Maybe it's his own way of strategic disarmament.
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RE: Taepo Dong Long Shot Flops

Fri Jul 07, 2006 11:33 pm

Quoting Centrair (Reply 16):
Only recently did they make a statement that it was a regular test within the rights of the sovereign nation of North Korea

What is the legal situation? Can I just shoot a missile over Japan without scratching Japans sovereignty? Does the missile has to have a minimum altitude? "How high" is a nations air space? An how am I supposed to tell if the missile is "just" going to overfly me?! I cannot imagine that especially Japan will be very tolerant on this. South-Korea has a lot to lose, but Japan not ...

Edit: changed 'height' for 'altitude ' 16 years of English and nothing learnt.

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RE: Taepo Dong Long Shot Flops

Fri Jul 07, 2006 11:46 pm

Quoting PADSpot (Reply 27):
What is the legal situation? Can I just shoot a missile over Japan without scratching Japans sovereignty?

NK signed missle and nuclear non proliferation agreements so there is nothing legal at all about what they did. There is a range limit in the agreement the missle is celarly designed to ignore. Sadam did the same thing, something ignored by Iraq critics.
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RE: Taepo Dong Long Shot Flops

Sat Jul 08, 2006 12:05 am

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 28):
NK signed missle and nuclear non proliferation agreements so there is nothing legal at all about what they did. There is a range limit in the agreement the missle is celarly designed to ignore. Sadam did the same thing, something ignored by Iraq critics.

NK resigned from the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty in 2003. But the development of missiles wasn't touched by it anyway.

The Story with Iraq is completely different: They were explicit UN resolutions that prohibited Saddam from developing or even having missiles with a range greater than 150km or so. But these resolution were only relevant to Iraq, not to Iran or North-Korea!
 
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RE: Taepo Dong Long Shot Flops

Sat Jul 08, 2006 1:08 am

Quoting PADSpot (Reply 29):
But the development of missiles wasn't touched by it anyway.

They singed the ABM treaty too right?

And just because one side does not live up to the agreement, that does not mean the agreement is not still in place, AMB or Nuclear. They are obviously on the receiving and possibly on the giving side of both treaties.

Do you honestly think it is ok for them to say "never mind"?

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RE: Taepo Dong Long Shot Flops

Sat Jul 08, 2006 1:25 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 2):

They need to change the name of the rocket, it is just two easy to drop the 1st, 3rd and 4th words of the title to come up with a dirty joke.

How's this headline: Limp performance from the "Type-o-Dong"??
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RE: Taepo Dong Long Shot Flops

Sat Jul 08, 2006 1:34 am

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 30):
They singed the ABM treaty too right?

From Wikipedia: The Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty (ABM treaty or ABMT) was a treaty between the United States of America and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics on the limitation of the anti-ballistic missile (ABM) systems used in defending areas against missile-delivered nuclear weapons.

So ... uuhmm ... no! It is even not related to the development of balistic missiles as such. Sorry.  Wink

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 30):
Do you honestly think it is ok for them to say "never mind"?

The point from which it is no longer acceptable to say "never mind" is that where they started to threaten their neighbors. No matter whether they use forks or nukes ...
 
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RE: Taepo Dong Long Shot Flops

Sat Jul 08, 2006 2:13 am

Quoting RAPCON (Reply 31):
Quoting L-188 (Reply 2):

They need to change the name of the rocket, it is just two easy to drop the 1st, 3rd and 4th words of the title to come up with a dirty joke.

How's this headline: Limp performance from the "Type-o-Dong"??

How about this: North Korean Dong Ejaculates Prematurely and Wilts.
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RE: Taepo Dong Long Shot Flops

Sat Jul 08, 2006 4:36 am

Quoting PADSpot (Reply 32):
So ... uuhmm ... no! It is even not related to the development of balistic missiles as such. Sorry.

You better do your research in another place. These treaties exist for many nations, including NK. Treaties cover all aspects of missile tech transfer, development, testing, and proliferation.

From CNN Website:

"Pyongyang said it would not be bound by a 2002 treaty prohibiting launches of ballistic missiles....Under that 2002 agreement with Japan, North Korea pledged to uphold all international treaties on nuclear issues, extend a moratorium on ballistic missile launches and resolve issues related to the "lives and security" of Japanese nationals. "

So yes, there is a missile treaty, and they are breaking it just like they have repeatedly broken similar treaties on missile exports and nuclear proliferation.
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Sat Jul 08, 2006 6:39 am

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 34):
"Pyongyang said it would not be bound by a 2002 treaty prohibiting launches of ballistic missiles....Under that 2002 agreement with Japan, North Korea pledged to uphold all international treaties on nuclear issues, extend a moratorium on ballistic missile launches and resolve issues related to the "lives and security" of Japanese nationals. "

So yes, there is a missile treaty, and they are breaking it just like they have repeatedly broken similar treaties on missile exports and nuclear proliferation.

The missile launch moratorium was something they imposed on themselves after the launch of Taepodong 1 in 1998. Later they refrained from it again.

But this is all hair-splitting, because the reasons why they can't get KYI (physically) by his balls are the strategic interests of the neighboring countries and the lack of interest in the remaining countries. The problem is not to proof that he broke some treaty, contract or agreement ... soneone who theatrens to return to a policy of kidnapping Japanese nationals (what they did over years) does not care about agreements.
 
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RE: Taepo Dong Long Shot Flops

Sun Jul 09, 2006 6:21 am

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 12):
If the best they can do is Dong technology, then what the rest of the world faces is Iranian built reverse engineered North Korean built reverse engineered Soviet built reverse engineered German V2 rockets with some modest improvements. Probably use a transistor radio for guidance rather than the Volksempfanger LOL.

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl  Hahah that is hillarious! Nice one, perfect.

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 33):
How about this: North Korean Dong Ejaculates Prematurely and Wilts.


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RE: Taepo Dong Long Shot Flops

Sun Jul 09, 2006 3:12 pm

How about 'N Korean Long Dong is a bit flop!'.

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RE: Taepo Dong Long Shot Flops

Sun Jul 09, 2006 10:51 pm

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 12):
Probably use a transistor radio for guidance rather than the Volksempfanger LOL.

Tonight on Japanese TV they interviewed a former North Korean Missile researcher who had defected to the south. He said, "North Korean Missiles don't have a proper internal guidance system. They require someone to place a transmitter at the destination to help guild the missle to its target. North Korea puts it on a general trajectory while a North Korean Agent puts the transmitter in a garbage can or someplace inconspicuous at the target.

They say it was aimed at Hawaii, but with North Korea's targeting and guidance technology they could never hit it... Too small a target, even with the radio shack guidance transmitter.
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Sun Jul 09, 2006 11:19 pm

Quoting AirRyan (Reply 18):

LMAO, boy, he looks so ronery!  rotfl 

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Mon Jul 10, 2006 12:47 am

Quoting Centrair (Reply 38):
Tonight on Japanese TV they interviewed a former North Korean Missile researcher who had defected to the south. He said, "North Korean Missiles don't have a proper internal guidance system. They require someone to place a transmitter at the destination to help guild the missle to its target. North Korea puts it on a general trajectory while a North Korean Agent puts the transmitter in a garbage can or someplace inconspicuous at the target.

Interesting observation. It's not as easy as it looks, I guess. Building a guidance system that can stand the acceleration and shock loads of a launch and still function and get the delivery vehicle on the right trajectory is a pretty specialized bit of engineering. I can imagine some North Korean agents trying to look inconspicuous in Fargo, North Dakota while hiding something resembling a 1956 Philco television with rabbit ears under a tarp in the middle of downtown.

The history of such things makes an interesting technological study.

The V1 used a little generator run by a propeller on the nose that did something with de-electroplating some silver off a wire element in a wet cell that looked like a vacuum tube. When the wire was sufficiently unplated, it shut the engine down and the V1 augered in. Presumably it was over Britain, but this was by no means assured.

The V2 used a primitive inertial guidance system that had its settings made before launch, I suppose. Wiki's got a good article on it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V2_rocket

By far the most interesting bit of guidance technology in the war era was the VT Fuze, or proximity fuze for antiaircraft shells. It contained a five tube radio transmitter/receiver with antennas and a lead acid battery with a glass ampule of electrolyte that broke on firing. It was a British idea but Britain didn't have the resources to develop it at the time. It was handed off to the Americans and most of the vacuum tube development work was done by Sylvania. It was an outstanding success in AA gunnery. The shell was fired, the glass ampule shattered and the battery powered the set up, the set began to transmit and when it received an echo of its own signal it would fire and explode the shell, right near an Axis airplane unlucky enough to be in the neighborhood. All of this had to be able to be fired out of a high velocity AA gun of moderate caliber, and the guidance had to be able to survive the acceleration and rotational forces.

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RE: Taepo Dong Long Shot Flops

Wed Jul 12, 2006 9:59 am

Here's something else to think about.

Contrary to what some may want to accept, missle tech is rocket science. They got the worlds attention when they flew one over Japan, a year or so ago, no one was laughling. Now they had a failure, what has govts. concerned is that they are "perfecting" their technology, pretty soon they will have ICBM capable rockets, as long are you are trying you will eventually work out the bugs, bearing in mind they have no access to others data.

How much and how long did it take the US and Russia to develop theirs while taking care of their population? North Korea is developing nuclear and missle technonolgy on a different track, single minded, I won't get into the reasons why, that a whole other political topic.

India and Pakistan already have the bombs, what are they doing now??, developing the long range missles to deliver them.

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RE: Taepo Dong Long Shot Flops

Wed Jul 12, 2006 9:08 pm

Quoting Par13del (Reply 41):

Contrary to what some may want to accept, missle tech is rocket science.

Wow ... what an insight. Hilarious! Nice one ...  Smile  rotfl 
 
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RE: Taepo Dong Long Shot Flops

Thu Jul 13, 2006 7:56 am

Quoting Par13del (Reply 41):
They got the worlds attention when they flew one over Japan, a year or so ago, no one was laughling.

It was on August 31st, 1998. There had been no tests since then. The fact that the DPRK didn't only launch the TPD2 but also 6 other missiles kind of scares the crap out of people. In 1998 it was one missile.
Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!

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