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MIG-28's

Thu Jul 06, 2006 1:38 pm

These little suckers have been flying into PDX and parking at the FBO ramp for the last month. I know they are based at Beale AFB. My question is. Are they trainers for the U-2's?

Every time they come and go, we on the ramp start quoting stupid phrases from Top Gun.


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RE: MIG-28's

Thu Jul 06, 2006 6:25 pm

I heard T-28's are used are proficiency trainers for B-2 crews at Whiteman AFB. So I would assume these are the same for the U-2 boys at Beale (so they dont forget what it's like to fly the more normal birds  Silly ). Plus I dont think the standard ones used for all the new Air Force pilots have such flashy paint jobs.
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RE: MIG-28's

Thu Jul 06, 2006 6:37 pm

The Geman Air force uses the T-38 for advanced training of their new Torando or F-4 (not anymore now though) pilots. I guess they will also use them for pilots that are going to fly the Typhoon later.
 
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RE: MIG-28's

Fri Jul 07, 2006 3:27 pm




Quoting FlyUSCG (Reply 1):
I heard T-28's are used are proficiency trainers for B-2 crews

T-38s, maybe:

T-28:








T-38:

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/t-38-ECN-4647.jpg


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RE: MIG-28's

Fri Jul 07, 2006 4:56 pm

Actually the BB T-38' were never used for the movie flying. Those were aggressor F-5E and F'. Which also used to be based at Miramar. T-38 belongs to the same family though.

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RE: MIG-28's

Fri Jul 07, 2006 7:13 pm

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 3):
T-38s, maybe:

well that's just embarrassing  blush  definitely did NOT mean T-28's and I have no idea where that came from. Thanks
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RE: MIG-28's

Fri Jul 07, 2006 11:31 pm

Why does that T-38 have four Iron Crosses on the tail? Has the USAF been hunting Germans again?  Wink
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RE: MIG-28's

Sat Jul 08, 2006 1:13 am

Quoting N328KF (Reply 6):
Why does that T-38 have four Iron Crosses on the tail? Has the USAF been hunting Germans again?

Don't know but the Holloman ones have 3 little arrows... Or maybe they're little F-117's.
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RE: MIG-28's

Sat Jul 08, 2006 4:36 am

Can somebody please explain why the title of the tread is MIG-28 when the discussion is about T-38s ?
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RE: MIG-28's

Sat Jul 08, 2006 4:57 am

In the motion picture, Top Gun, the Soviet adversaries were portrayed by F-5s painted all black with Soviet-style, Red Stars for national insignia, and where called "Mig-28s". The initial picture of the thread show a T-38, a stablemate of the F-5, painted all-black with red markings. That particular T-38 is attached to a USAF reconaissance squadron, and is used for pilot proficiency, and chase duties. Many USAF units have T-38s for this purpose and often paint them in their squadron's c/s.

The title is a play on words with a little movie trivia thrown in....

There is no such thing as a Mig-28. Migs usually have a numeric designation based on an odd number. Exceptions;

Mig-24, a modified version of the Mig-23BN for East Germany.
Mig-30: a proposed export version of the Mig-29.

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RE: MIG-28's

Sun Jul 09, 2006 8:58 am

The Holloman T-38s have little F-117s on the tail because they are used as proficiency trainers for the 49th Fighter Wing's Nighthawks, much as the boys at Beale used T-38s for U-2 proficiency flights.

The MiG-28s had black latex paint applied over their normal camouflage MIG schemes such as that displayed by all Miramar and VFA-127 aggressors of the period.
 
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RE: MIG-28's

Sun Jul 09, 2006 11:28 am

I'd say an F-20 Tigershark would have been a more convincing MiG-28 (simply because most people don't know about it) and a far more formidable aggressor adversary. Alas, it's no longer around. But I'm confident production special effects people could put together realistic sequences based on the surviving prototype in the museum and film footage of the accident investigation. I often wonder how a radically updated Tigershark would fare against, say, a Block 60 Desert Falcon. Top Gun III anyone?

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RE: MIG-28's

Sun Jul 09, 2006 11:03 pm

The F-20, the most famous fighter that never was...

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RE: MIG-28's

Mon Jul 10, 2006 1:13 am

Quoting N328KF (Reply 6):
Why does that T-38 have four Iron Crosses on the tail

I don`t know why but they are not Iron Crosses. The Iron Cross is a medal. Those symbols are normal German Crosses which the German Forces use.

Quoting Migfan (Reply 9):
Mig-24, a modified version of the Mig-23BN for East Germany.

Didn`t East Germany get the MIG-23MF "Flogger B"?
 
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RE: MIG-28's

Mon Jul 10, 2006 2:47 am

Quoting Skyman (Reply 13):
Quoting Migfan (Reply 9):
Mig-24, a modified version of the Mig-23BN for East Germany.

Didn`t East Germany get the MIG-23MF "Flogger B"?

Maybe both. BN is for ground attack, MF is air-to-air.
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RE: MIG-28's

Mon Jul 10, 2006 2:54 am

The Mig-24 was a modified version of the Mig-23BN, that permitted the carriage of nuclear weapons. East Germany operated the Mig-23MF, ML, BN, UB, and small numbers of the nuclear capable, Mig-24.

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RE: MIG-28's

Wed Sep 27, 2006 8:39 am

For those interested, the Sep 2006 issue of Airpower has a lengthy article on the "reel life" MiG-28 by the scriptwriter and author David Baranek, taken from his book Top Gun Days showing photos of the "actor" a/c with peeling black paint.
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RE: MIG-28's

Wed Sep 27, 2006 10:52 am

Quoting Migfan (Reply 9):
In the motion picture, Top Gun, the Soviet adversaries were portrayed by F-5s painted all black with Soviet-style, Red Stars for national insignia, and where called "Mig-28s".

All Mig fighters traditionally had odd numbers.

You have to remember that when Top Gun came out the Mig-29 and SU-27 hadn't been seen yet.

So for the public the big bad mig was the Foxbat or Mig-25.

Going to the Mig-28 gave the producers a way to show a "New" mig that Maverick and Goose get to view at 4 meters...maybe 4 and half.
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