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Quick Question About The Bell/Boeing MV-22B Osprey

Mon Jul 17, 2006 6:16 am

Sorry if this is a stupid question but because the aircraft is both a helicopter and an aircraft, where does the pilot sit?

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RE: Quick Question About The Bell/Boeing MV-22B Osprey

Mon Jul 17, 2006 6:48 am

Not a stupid question at all.

Pilot sits on the right in the V-22, just like a conventional helicopter.

Same goes in the XV-15 and BA609.

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RE: Quick Question About The Bell/Boeing MV-22B Osprey

Mon Jul 17, 2006 6:51 am

Certainly not a stupid question.

Quoting CTR (Reply 1):
Pilot sits on the right in the V-22, just like a conventional helicopter.

That surprises me because the reasons why the pilot sits on the right in (US) helicopters don't apply, do they?

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RE: Quick Question About The Bell/Boeing MV-22B Osprey

Mon Jul 17, 2006 8:14 am

Quoting Ptrjong (Reply 2):
the reasons why the pilot sits on the right

What are those reasons?

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RE: Quick Question About The Bell/Boeing MV-22B Osprey

Mon Jul 17, 2006 8:53 am

Quoting MigFan (Reply 3):
What are those reasons?

Er... I THOUGHT it was because the pilot should be able to check the tail rotor, which supposedly was always on the right hand side on US-built helicopters (which I believed was related to the direction in which the main rotor turns).

However, not all US-built helicopters have their tail rotor on the RH side...

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Quoting MigFan (Reply 3):
What are those reasons?
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RE: Quick Question About The Bell/Boeing MV-22B Osprey

Mon Jul 17, 2006 10:07 am

The reason that the pilot of a helicopter sits on the right has more to do with the way the helicopter controls are situated in the cockpit.

All hands are used in this operation and the collective is controlled on the left with the right hand on the stick when you're flying right seat.

In the earlier helos the collective was situated in the middle and since most pilots seemed to be right handed they preferred to sit to the right and use their better controlled hand on the stick.

At least that's what my friend the ancient helicopter pilot (who seems to be the exception to the rule about old and bold...he flew in Korea and Vietnam and still flies helicopters today...albeit his own).
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RE: Quick Question About The Bell/Boeing MV-22B Osprey

Mon Jul 17, 2006 10:57 am

Hueys have two collectives, one for each pilot, and it sits on the right.

It was just a question...

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RE: Quick Question About The Bell/Boeing MV-22B Osprey

Mon Jul 17, 2006 11:44 am

Quoting DL021 (Reply 5):
In the earlier helos the collective was situated in the middle and since most pilots seemed to be right handed they preferred to sit to the right and use their better controlled hand on the stick.

This is correct.

Quoting UA777222 (Thread starter):
Sorry if this is a stupid question but because the aircraft is both a helicopter and an aircraft, where does the pilot sit?

Not a stupid question at all. Early on with the program this was the source of some serious pissing matches between rotary wing and fixed wing people in the military. IIRC, Bell and Boeing both agreed that right seat would make sense but some USAF General got completely bent out of shape about the "fact" that this was an airplane and pilots of airplanes sit in the left seat.

I thought he'd actually won the argument. Possible that he did and then things were switched back after he was out of the picture.

The most practical reason for PIC to be right seat is that the visibility of the refueling probe is limited from the left seat.
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RE: Quick Question About The Bell/Boeing MV-22B Osprey

Mon Jul 17, 2006 3:45 pm

Quoting DL021 (Reply 5):
The reason that the pilot of a helicopter sits on the right has more to do with the way the helicopter controls are situated in the cockpit.

All hands are used in this operation and the collective is controlled on the left with the right hand on the stick when you're flying right seat.

In the earlier helos the collective was situated in the middle and since most pilots seemed to be right handed they preferred to sit to the right and use their better controlled hand on the stick.

At least that's what my friend the ancient helicopter pilot (who seems to be the exception to the rule about old and bold...he flew in Korea and Vietnam and still flies helicopters today...albeit his own).

The other version I have heard is that no less the Igor Sikorsky would set in the traditional left hand seat while flight instructing and the student sat in the left.

Thus the right seat became the command seat in helicopters.
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RE: Quick Question About The Bell/Boeing MV-22B Osprey

Mon Jul 17, 2006 7:41 pm

Quoting DL021 (Reply 5):
In the earlier helos the collective was situated in the middle and since most pilots seemed to be right handed they preferred to sit to the right and use their better controlled hand on the stick.

Building on what DL021 said. In the earliest helos 60 years ago, every gram of weight was critical, also cockpits were as narrow as possible to reduce both fuselage area under the rotor and frontal area.

For these reasons it made common sense to install a single collective lever between the seats to save weight and keep the cockit as narrow as possible. As helos became larger and engines more powerfull, adding a second collective lever became much less of an issue.

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