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Saudis Out Shopping

Tue Jul 25, 2006 4:05 pm

From the US:
- 24 UH-60L

From Europe:
- 2 or 3 A330 MRTT
- 64 NH90: 10 naval, 42 army, 12 national guard
- 12 Tiger
- 20 Cougar CSAR
- 32 AS550 Fennec
- 4 Panther CSAR

Full article here:
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...icopters-from-eurocopter/index.php
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RE: Saudis Out Shopping

Tue Jul 25, 2006 4:37 pm

Why did they choose the Cougar CSAR while having the NH 90 on order ? Better availability ?

Glad to see another country choosing the A330MRTT !!
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RE: Saudis Out Shopping

Tue Jul 25, 2006 8:33 pm

The Tiger?, don't the Saudi land Forces operate the AH-64?

I wouldn't sell them a hamburger...

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RE: Saudis Out Shopping

Tue Jul 25, 2006 9:44 pm

Quoting Columba (Reply 1):
Why did they choose the Cougar CSAR while having the NH 90 on order ? Better availability ?

They already have the COUGAR CSAR in their inventory, based in Al Kharj.

Quoting Migfan (Reply 2):
The Tiger?, don't the Saudi land Forces operate the AH-64?

Yes they do. But don't try to bring rhyme or reason to the Saudi weapons procurement process. After all, these are the same bunch that bought F-15's and Tornado ADV (a POS of the first degree).

Regardless, the Saudi's have proven to be incapable of operating their weapons systems without a high-level of contractor assistance--from the manufacturer, and from independent sources.
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RE: Saudis Out Shopping

Wed Jul 26, 2006 4:14 am

This is a tough room... No Saudi sailors about?

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RE: Saudis Out Shopping

Wed Jul 26, 2006 4:35 am

It has been said that never has so much been spent, for so little actual capability, as in Saudi.
But that is about stability, compentance, trust of the military-heard the one about how Saudi training for bombing with live weapons, never allow the aircraft to be fuelled enough to reach the Royal Palaces in the capital?
The whole promotion by patronage and status, the paranoia driven 'force within and force' of the National Guard.

Saudi took ADV's as 'that lobby' in the US prevented further F-15 sales, (prior to the 1st Gulf War).
ADV was designed for the mundane work like defending a large area of UK/Eastern Approaches against Soviet bomber attack, in all weathers and in a heavy ECM enviroment.
It was not a 'POS' in that respect.
 
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RE: Saudis Out Shopping

Wed Jul 26, 2006 4:56 am

Quoting GDB (Reply 8):
ADV was designed for the mundane work like defending a large area of UK/Eastern Approaches against Soviet bomber attack, in all weathers and in a heavy ECM enviroment.
It was not a 'POS' in that respect.

ADV was successful in it's limited role, as was Lightning. It was perhaps not well suited for anything other than interception, however the Saudis do not want to be caught on the wrong end of sanctions from a sole source weapons provider.
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RE: Saudis Out Shopping

Wed Jul 26, 2006 5:56 am

Quoting DL021 (Reply 9):
ADV was successful in it's limited role, as was Lightning. It was perhaps not well suited for anything other than interception, however the Saudis do not want to be caught on the wrong end of sanctions from a sole source weapons provider.

At one point, however, the Saudis appear to have expressed disappointment that the ADV wouldn't perform in the dogfight role as well as the F-15. It was as if they hadn't compared the two before deciding to buy the ADV. Didn't they convert the ADV's to something akin to a Wild Weasel?
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RE: Saudis Out Shopping

Wed Jul 26, 2006 7:39 am

Wasn't the ADV purchased with the IDS, some Hawks, and Jetstream trainers as part of the "Al Yamah" package. I believe there were two installments of Al Yamah.

Is this Al Yamah III?
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RE: Saudis Out Shopping

Wed Jul 26, 2006 10:18 am

Quoting EBJ1248650 (Reply 12):
Didn't they convert the ADV's to something akin to a Wild Weasel?

They had relatively few ADVs and they have been retained in the interceptor role. The IDS are equipped for HARM missions. They bought the ADVs when we would not sell them F-15s and the comparison did not matter. They did replace Lightnings therefore were a significant advancement over what they had since they had good radar and MR semi-active radar missiles.


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Quoting Migfan (Reply 13):
Is this Al Yamah III?

Al Yamamah more like it. I don't know what they're calling it, but Al Yamamah was the British name for their arms sales packages to Saudi. This package looks predominately French with some US thrown in.
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RE: Saudis Out Shopping

Wed Jul 26, 2006 10:29 am

To all:

The Saudis also just completed a huge weapons purchase from the US involving armored vehcls, missles, radios, ect. I believe it will or has already gone thru Congress.

I'm trying to find the link.

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RE: Saudis Out Shopping

Wed Jul 26, 2006 10:40 am

Quoting GDB (Reply 8):
It has been said that never has so much been spent, for so little actual capability, as in Saudi.
But that is about stability, compentance, trust of the military-heard the one about how Saudi training for bombing with live weapons, never allow the aircraft to be fuelled enough to reach the Royal Palaces in the capital?

Ever see that photo of the RSAF F-15 after some techie checked the fuel level in the drop tank with a match?
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RE: Saudis Out Shopping

Wed Jul 26, 2006 11:39 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 16):
Ever see that photo of the RSAF F-15 after some techie checked the fuel level in the drop tank with a match?

hahaha, but JET-A has a pretty high flash point - you could practically drop a match into a bucket of JET-A and it would just extinguish.

http://twa800.com/videos/FuelDemo.ram

[Edited 2006-07-26 04:41:13]
 
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RE: Saudis Out Shopping

Wed Jul 26, 2006 5:52 pm

L-188, good one, but I once heard a similar story about Libya and that fleet of Mirages they brought in the early/mid 70's, yet hardly flew unless the Pakistani contract pilots were around.

The package of Tornado IDS deliveries included obviously 1000lb bombs, but also BAe Sea Eagle and ALARM-the latter being an ARM, but German and Italian IDS got the ECR/HARM mod to some of their fleet.
(The Luftwaffe used it in anger in Kosovo in 1999).

The Saudis did bitch about ADV serviceability-so clearly not enough BAe personnel in country at that time.
 
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RE: Saudis Out Shopping

Wed Jul 26, 2006 6:57 pm

Why exactly do they want/need all these extra weapons?.
 
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RE: Saudis Out Shopping

Wed Jul 26, 2006 7:08 pm

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 14):
Why exactly do they want/need all these extra weapons?.

The same reason EK needs all those commercial aircraft....  duck 
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RE: Saudis Out Shopping

Wed Jul 26, 2006 7:27 pm

EK get paid to fly passengers about.
 
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RE: Saudis Out Shopping

Wed Jul 26, 2006 8:06 pm

Quoting Columba (Reply 1):
Glad to see another country choosing the A330MRTT !!

What are they going to do with 2-3 A-330MRTTs? They already fly 5 KE-3As. Is the A-330MRTT going to be like the RAAF version?
 
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RE: Saudis Out Shopping

Wed Jul 26, 2006 9:13 pm

Quoting F4N (Reply 10):
The Saudis also just completed a huge weapons purchase from the US involving armored vehcls, missles, radios, ect. I believe it will or has already gone thru Congress.

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/
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RE: Saudis Out Shopping

Sat Jul 29, 2006 1:21 am

The buying spree could even be larger than that. It could include frigates, subs and even the Rafale.
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RE: Saudis Out Shopping

Tue Aug 01, 2006 7:46 am

Quoting DL021 (Reply 9):
They had relatively few ADVs and they have been retained in the interceptor role. The IDS are equipped for HARM missions. They bought the ADVs when we would not sell them F-15s and the comparison did not matter. They did replace Lightnings therefore were a significant advancement over what they had since they had good radar and MR semi-active radar missiles.

I may be mistaken but I thought they had some F-15s before they got the ADVs.
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