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Fighter With Shortest Time In Service

Thu Jul 27, 2006 4:57 am

I've been wondering, what fighter has had the shortest operational career? Maybe the F4D Skyray or the F-11F Tiger, or some other late '50's jet?

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RE: Fighter With Shortest Time In Service

Thu Jul 27, 2006 6:11 am

This one I think.

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Thu Jul 27, 2006 6:36 am

There was this one which had never been in service at all.....but I think most A.netters knew that.  Smile
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Know of any other jet fighter that didn't make it past prototype stage?
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Thu Jul 27, 2006 7:10 am

Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 2):
Know of any other jet fighter that didn't make it past prototype stage?

So many... TSR-2, Avro Arrow, Mirage 4000, Argentina's jet fighter, F-23, Lavi, F-11...
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RE: Fighter With Shortest Time In Service

Thu Jul 27, 2006 7:25 am

The Vought "Cutless" or, "Gutless", wasn't around for too too long.

The Air Force's contender for the A-10 project didn't make it past prototype as well....think it was the A-16? Can't remember.

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RE: Fighter With Shortest Time In Service

Thu Jul 27, 2006 7:37 am

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 4):
The Air Force's contender for the A-10 project didn't make it past prototype as well....think it was the A-16? Can't remember.

The A-10's contender was the Northrop A-9.
 
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RE: Fighter With Shortest Time In Service

Thu Jul 27, 2006 7:41 am

Quoting MissedApproach (Thread starter):
Maybe the F4D Skyray or the F-11F Tiger, or some other late '50's jet?

Probably a World War II aircraft or one of the early Navy jets. Most Air Force early jets had at least some foreign service which extends them past the Navy's short-lived machines.

F7U Cutlass... 1954-1959
F3H Demon... 1956-1964
F4D Skyray... 1956-1964
F11F Tiger... 1956-1961 (1969 with Blue Angels)
 
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RE: Fighter With Shortest Time In Service

Thu Jul 27, 2006 11:47 am

Quoting Ptrjong (Reply 3):
So many... TSR-2, Avro Arrow, Mirage 4000, Argentina's jet fighter, F-23, Lavi, F-11...

...YF-12, YF-17, F-108...

I wasn't really thinking much of the WW2 jets, since jet fighters were so much in their infancy then, but there were some really short-lived airplanes from that era.
How about Russia? Wasn't there a Yak contemporary of the MiG-15 that wasn't too popular?
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Thu Jul 27, 2006 7:05 pm

Quoting MissedApproach (Reply 7):
How about Russia? Wasn't there a Yak contemporary of the MiG-15 that wasn't too popular?


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I think you're referring to the Lavochkin La-15.

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The straight-wing Yak-17 and Yak-23 preceeded the MiG-15.
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RE: Fighter With Shortest Time In Service

Thu Jul 27, 2006 7:37 pm

I don't think the P-59 was around for very long. The F-82 only lasted for 8 years. Fisher P-75 Eagle (only six built, one was for parts)? Vultee P-66? North American P-64? Douglas FH-1 Phantom? But my guess is the Douglas P-70 (1943-1945).
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Thu Jul 27, 2006 10:15 pm

Quoting Saabmeister (Reply 9):
I don't think the P-59 was around for very long. The F-82 only lasted for 8 years. Fisher P-75 Eagle (only six built, one was for parts)? Vultee P-66? North American P-64? Douglas FH-1 Phantom? But my guess is the Douglas P-70 (1943-1945).

I think the question was about operational careers, though. If we count P-59, P-75, P-66 etc., we'd also have to count every other aircraft that had prototypes built. Instead, the question should be which aircraft actually was fielded with operational units, versus test flight squadrons.

I almost included the (McDonnell) FH-1 Phantom on my earlier list, but that aircraft actually hung around quite a while in Reserve units (probably due to the Korean War snatching away everything that was combat-capable.)
 
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RE: Fighter With Shortest Time In Service

Fri Jul 28, 2006 4:48 am

Quoting Thorny (Reply 10):
I think the question was about operational careers, though. If we count P-59, P-75, P-66 etc., we'd also have to count every other aircraft that had prototypes built. Instead, the question should be which aircraft actually was fielded with operational units, versus test flight squadrons.

I know it's a stretch, but technichally, all three of those were in "production". I think the P-66 saw active service with China, the P-64's were trainers for a while. And didn't the P-59 have a fair number produced, and stayed around for a while?

Quoting Thorny (Reply 10):
I almost included the (McDonnell) FH-1 Phantom on my earlier list, but that aircraft actually hung around quite a while in Reserve units (probably due to the Korean War snatching away everything that was combat-capable.)

Really! I always thought the FH-1 got phased out pretty quick. Do you know just how long they hung around?
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RE: Fighter With Shortest Time In Service

Fri Jul 28, 2006 5:12 am

I'm hereby withdrawing the He-162 Salamander as it didn't really see operational service I think.

If we limit this to jet fighters that actually served with front-line units, it is quite an interesting question.

If rocket propulsion is acceptable, my new entry is again from Germany: the Messerschmitt Me 163 Komet (in service mid-1944 till May 1945 or even earlier?), in other words, for one year.

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RE: Fighter With Shortest Time In Service

Fri Jul 28, 2006 1:08 pm

The Supermarine Swift served as an operational fighter from February 1954 until March 1955. It served longer as a reconnaissance plane, however.
 
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RE: Fighter With Shortest Time In Service

Fri Jul 28, 2006 6:18 pm

well I know of one fighter that got built then canned
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/annex/an51.htm
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