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Long Beach May Lose Production Of Another Aircraft

Fri Aug 18, 2006 8:24 am

Courtesy: Wall Street Journal-Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Boeing Reportedly Ready To Wind Down C-17 Cargo Plane Line

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06229/714300-28.stm
 
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RE: Long Beach May Lose Production Of Another Aircraft

Sat Aug 19, 2006 1:10 am

Could this line be made suitable as an alternative 787 line???
 
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RE: Long Beach May Lose Production Of Another Aircraft

Sat Aug 19, 2006 1:31 am

What ever happened to the MD-17 ( a civil version of the C-17)? I would not think there would be too many buyers.
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RE: Long Beach May Lose Production Of Another Aircraft

Sat Aug 19, 2006 1:42 am

They should just overhaul that baby and reopen the 757 line  bigthumbsup 
 
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RE: Long Beach May Lose Production Of Another Aircraft

Sat Aug 19, 2006 1:51 am

It is official as of today the C-17 program is being shutdown by Boeing baring any firther US Gov orders. Where did the foriegn orders go?
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RE: Long Beach May Lose Production Of Another Aircraft

Sat Aug 19, 2006 1:59 am

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 4):
Where did the foreign orders go?

Even with the foreign orders, the last delivery takes place in mid-2008.

Without a further commitment from Uncle Sam, Boeing has to discontinue ordering long lead items from it suppliers which is basically driving today's announcement.
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RE: Long Beach May Lose Production Of Another Aircraft

Sat Aug 19, 2006 2:07 am

They need to restart commercial production at Palmdale
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RE: Long Beach May Lose Production Of Another Aircraft

Sat Aug 19, 2006 2:11 am

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 5):
Even with the foreign orders, the last delivery takes place in mid-2008.

Foreign military sales orders to date;
Australia 4
UK 4, and a 5th C-17 recently ordered.
Canada 4

Still potential orders could come from;
Germany
Italy
5th airplane for the RAAF
Japan (doubtful)
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RE: Long Beach May Lose Production Of Another Aircraft

Sat Aug 19, 2006 11:48 am

Read that 6,500+ workers will be affected by this closure.
Truly another sad day in Long Beach and Aerospace in Southern Cal.


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Building cluster on top left is where C-17 are assembled. Large sand clearing is where the famous Douglas Tower Admin building once stood. Now cleared for housing and industrial developement.

Maybe Gov. Arnold could persuade Boeing to manufacture the 787 there.

I miss the 60s' and 70s' when names like Douglas, Convair, Rockwell, Northrop, North American, Lockheed were synonymous with California. What happened??
 
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RE: Long Beach May Lose Production Of Another Aircraft

Sun Aug 20, 2006 5:13 am

Quoting Alohajock (Reply 8):
I miss the 60s' and 70s' when names like Douglas, Convair, Rockwell, Northrop, North American, Lockheed were synonymous with California. What happened??

In part, the prosperity created by the major defense and aerospace contractors among others attracted the flaky anti-industrial folks, who jacked up the costs of doing business in California.

The rest of it is that California has a highly profitable non-industrial economy (hi-tech, software, entertainment) that has made California an expensive place to do anything because of shortages of affordable land and housing.
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RE: Long Beach May Lose Production Of Another Aircraft

Sun Aug 20, 2006 6:32 am

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 9):
In part, the prosperity created by the major defense and aerospace contractors among others attracted the flaky anti-industrial folks, who jacked up the costs of doing business in California.

The rest of it is that California has a highly profitable non-industrial economy (hi-tech, software, entertainment) that has made California an expensive place to do anything because of shortages of affordable land and housing.

That's exactly what has become CA's problem, and now a lot of them have cahsed out on their overpriced shacks and taken their money here to Texas and started to do the same things that lead to the problems CA now exists. I wouldn't even consider a job in CA because of the outrageous cost of living, even when up in MN with NW I couldn't believe how expensive it had gotten to just buy an entry level home.
 
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RE: Long Beach May Lose Production Of Another Aircraft

Sun Aug 20, 2006 7:51 am

Quoting Alohajock (Reply 8):
What happened??

The Cold War ended.

This is a shame that the Air Force won't continue ordering the C-17, as there really is a need to expand the air logistics branch of the Air Force. The C-5 is getting old and the C-141s have been retired. The US won't have a transport aircraft in production (except the C-130) for several years afterwards. Overall a poorly made decision on the Air Force's part, and a really good move on Boeing's part to get the Air Force to come up with something quickly to get the line moving again.
 
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RE: Long Beach May Lose Production Of Another Aircraft

Sun Aug 20, 2006 1:20 pm

Quoting Ti717 (Reply 2):
a civil version of the C-17

Apparently the USAF has a MD-17 on order. I have no idea what the reasoning for it is, but there is one on order.

183 total for the USAF, including an additional test aircraft, and the commercial varient.
5 total for the UK
4 for Canada
4 for Austrailia
1 for the Danish, all confirmed orders.

Source is from a C-17 program intergration office power point from Dover AFB

I seriously doubt Boeing is going to keep LB open after the 17 line closes down. I don't even think the 787 can save it. Yes its a shame that jobs will be lost, but its gonna happen sooner or later anyways. Even if the USAF asked for more aircraft, they would eventually have to shut down. Just a fact of life. Nothing lasts forever.

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