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Nimrod MR2 Down In Afghanistan

Sun Sep 03, 2006 3:40 am

14 people dead  Sad

MoD are currently ruling out hostile action, saying its a terrible accident.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/5308622.stm

My thoughts are with the families and relatives of the 14.
 
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RE: Nimrod MR2 Down In Afghanistan

Sun Sep 03, 2006 6:35 am

Hi!

A big tragedy indeed, I'm also solidary with the families and relatives of the ones that perished, also my deep respect to the Squadron where this airplane belonged too. I would like to say that the plane involved, the Nimrod, always looked a very safe and a very reliable airplane although is already a bit old. I hope this accident will not affect also the future operationality of the Nimrod itself.
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RE: Nimrod MR2 Down In Afghanistan

Sun Sep 03, 2006 7:01 am

My heart felt sympathies to the family members and the unit.  Sad
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RE: Nimrod MR2 Down In Afghanistan

Sun Sep 03, 2006 7:34 am

Thoughts are with the families and the Sqn.

The NIMROD is a superb aircraft, although old as mentioned. This apparently was a tradgic accident, tech faults  Sad

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RE: Nimrod MR2 Down In Afghanistan

Sun Sep 03, 2006 1:17 pm

Quoting CV990 (Reply 1):
would like to say that the plane involved, the Nimrod, always looked a very safe and a very reliable airplane although is already a bit old

Agreed. Fantastic aircraft!
 
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RE: Nimrod MR2 Down In Afghanistan

Sun Sep 03, 2006 2:15 pm

My thoughts and prayers are for the family and friends of the deceased. May God be with them in this time of need.
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RE: Nimrod MR2 Down In Afghanistan

Sun Sep 03, 2006 4:01 pm

May they rest in peace.

This loss underscores the urgent need for the MRA4 replacements, the fourth of which is due in 2009. Although I think the contract also covers support for existing legacy aircraft.

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...BAE+wins+Nimrod+MRA4+contract.html
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RE: Nimrod MR2 Down In Afghanistan

Sun Sep 03, 2006 5:42 pm

such a sad loss, wonderful aircraft. the only thing i get to see on a semi-regular basis that brings back an old time aircraft to my local.

why did the RAF not send the MR4s out to afghanistan or are they still in testing? really if it was going to happen i think it is just as well it happened to a 2, if it happened to a 4 that would probably cause big problems indeed. hopefully more 2's will be upgraded promptly.

any chance of finding out a registration?? hopefully not an aberdeen regular.  Sad
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RE: Nimrod MR2 Down In Afghanistan

Sun Sep 03, 2006 6:08 pm

Hi!

I agree that RAF needs to speed up the MR4 introduction. I'm not sure if any Nimrod MR4 are already operational, but even if they are sending them to a sensitive area like Afganistan would be quite dangerous.
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RE: Nimrod MR2 Down In Afghanistan

Sun Sep 03, 2006 6:35 pm

Quoting Gary2880 (Reply 7):
why did the RAF not send the MR4s out to afghanistan or are they still in testing?

No MRA4s are in service at the moment, the contract for the MRA4 programme was only awarded to BAE in July this year.

Quoting Gary2880 (Reply 7):
hopefully not an aberdeen regular.

It was an RAF Kinloss based aircraft, no serial number as yet.
 
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RE: Nimrod MR2 Down In Afghanistan

Sun Sep 03, 2006 8:15 pm

My heart goes out to the families of those who died.

I was stationed at RAF Kinloss when the Nimrod went in at Toronto. A sad day for all, and doubly tragic as it was the 11th anniversary of that other crash.

May they all RIP.

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RE: Nimrod MR2 Down In Afghanistan

Sun Sep 03, 2006 8:42 pm

I was deeply sadened by this news and I pray for those departed and their families.

What is the Nimrod doing in that environment? SIGINT/ELINT? Are these platforms optimized for this type of work? Wouldn't this be like putting a P-3 there?

(...or are P-3s there as well?)
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RE: Nimrod MR2 Down In Afghanistan

Sun Sep 03, 2006 10:43 pm

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 11):

What is the Nimrod doing in that environment? SIGINT/ELINT? Are these platforms optimized for this type of work? Wouldn't this be like putting a P-3 there?

Not putting the P-3 down here, but the Nimrod is a vastly superior aircraft for what it does. Its a multirole aircraft with its primary role in maritime patrol, but it is fully fitted out for sigint and photo recon roles.

The upgrade to the MR2 standard brought better electronics suites, ESM pods, wing mounted Sidewinder Air to Air missiles, and a host of other goodies.

A Nimrod would not be amiss slap bang in the middle of Afghanistan carrying out intelligence gathering.

Then again, it would also not be out of place dropping bombs, considering it has the largest usable bombbay of all NATO aircraft.

The MRA4 upgrade will increase its capabilities even further.
 
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RE: Nimrod MR2 Down In Afghanistan

Sun Sep 03, 2006 11:09 pm

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 11):
What is the Nimrod doing in that environment? SIGINT/ELINT? Are these platforms optimized for this type of work? Wouldn't this be like putting a P-3 there?

(...or are P-3s there as well?)

Yes the P-3's are operating in Afghanistan as well.

http://starbulletin.com/2002/06/20/news/story5.html
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RE: Nimrod MR2 Down In Afghanistan

Mon Sep 04, 2006 12:53 am

Quoting LMP737 (Reply 13):
Yes the P-3's are operating in Afghanistan as well.

According to the Dutch MoD (speaking in relation to this week's F-16 crash), the enemy side have no weapons against high-flying aircraft, so this can be done with relative impunity.

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RE: Nimrod MR2 Down In Afghanistan

Mon Sep 04, 2006 1:58 am

Indeed, Nimrod has been used overland for some time now, with it's extensive comms suite and newer fitment of suitable survellience gear for this role.
It's a very sad loss, of course all the armchair experts in the media will bang on about 'crap UK kit'.

But of the two, it's the P-3 Orion, a great aircraft nonetheless, which in USN service has been having the issues with aging, corrosion, sustainability.
Like Nimrod, some are used overland offering similar capabilities, in addition to some the Nimrod will not have until MRA.4, including weapons carriage.
Of course, this has put a further strain on the P-3 force.

The RAF are of course waiting for MRA.4A, but I'd suggest the USN feels more urgency waiting for the P-8.

Nimrod has even been used on occasion, over London as a comms relay during high profile, high security events.
At 30,000 feet, where the ill fated Nimrod was yesterday in Afghanistan, thus undermining the Taliban claims of the Stinger missile kill.

My condolences to all those touched by this tragic loss.
 
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RE: Nimrod MR2 Down In Afghanistan

Mon Sep 04, 2006 5:04 am

Thanks from all of us at Kinloss for your support.

There is no info on the s/no of the jet involved yet, and I've no way of finding out till I go into work on Monday.

As to why the jet was over Afghanistan, it is common knowledge that the Mighty Hunter has expanded its role past that of the traditional maritime patrol aircraft.

There has been much speculation, rumour and gossip all over the media about the role of the MR2. Those of us who know would not divulge such information.

Thoughts, as always, with the families.
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RE: Nimrod MR2 Down In Afghanistan

Mon Sep 04, 2006 6:59 am

Can anyone clarify exactly what the nature of the mission of this aircraft would have been? I am aware of the R1 Nimrods that carried out electronic warfare missions but wasn't aware that the MR2 force were now carrying out missions of this nature.

Deepest sympathy to the family and friends of the crew.
 
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RE: Nimrod MR2 Down In Afghanistan

Mon Sep 04, 2006 7:18 am

May I add my sympathies to all

Quoting Ant72LBA (Reply 17):
Can anyone clarify exactly what the nature of the mission of this aircraft would have been? I am aware of the R1 Nimrods that carried out electronic warfare missions but wasn't aware that the MR2 force were now carrying out missions of this nature.

In line with other answers given and the fact there was a Para and a Marine on board the aircraft, I guess it was providing a communications net (as in previous answers rightly stated) MR2's were deployed over London after Sept 11th and since for this very reason.

Also It was 11 years to the day that we lost another Nimrod in Canada during an airshow.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1367462.stm


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RE: Nimrod MR2 Down In Afghanistan

Mon Sep 04, 2006 4:00 pm

Quoting Strudders (Reply 18):
Also It was 11 years to the day that we lost another Nimrod in Canada during an airshow.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1367462.stm

Thats just plain freaky, thanks for that link  Sad
 
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RE: Nimrod MR2 Down In Afghanistan

Mon Sep 04, 2006 4:40 pm

This is Very sad news  Sad  Sad
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RE: Nimrod MR2 Down In Afghanistan

Tue Sep 05, 2006 12:19 am

It's always sad to lose allies and comrades.

My prayers to the airmen and their families.

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RE: Nimrod MR2 Down In Afghanistan

Tue Sep 05, 2006 1:04 am

Quoting Ant72LBA (Reply 17):
I am aware of the R1 Nimrods that carried out electronic warfare missions but wasn't aware that the MR2 force were now carrying out missions of this nature.

That's exactly what I was thinking about - the R1 Nimrods of 51 Squadron with their SIGINT/COMINT capabilities. Perhaps the MR2 force is better able to deal with the hostile environment over Afghanistan.

In any event, my thoughts are with the families of those lost.
 
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RE: Nimrod MR2 Down In Afghanistan

Tue Sep 05, 2006 3:12 am

It seems it was not a R.1, MR.2's are as stated, used overland.
Recently, a MR.2 went into conversion to be the 4th R.1

It is now looking like a fire in the tail-avionics perhaps?
Just after a normal air to air refuelling.
Necessary since the aircraft are deployed to Seeb, Oman, to operate in this region.
 
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RE: Nimrod MR2 Down In Afghanistan

Sun Sep 10, 2006 6:46 am

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/5329986.stm

A Nimrod flew a flypast at the Leuchars Airshow in tribute to the troops.
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RE: Nimrod MR2 Down In Afghanistan

Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:47 am

There was a Nimrod lost in 1986(?), (XW666?).

Could this be a similar cause?.
 
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RE: Nimrod MR2 Down In Afghanistan

Mon Sep 11, 2006 2:14 pm

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 25):
There was a Nimrod lost in 1986(?), (XW666?).

Could this be a similar cause?.

No - 666 went down after one of its air starter motors wound itself up to self-destruction.

I have been heavily involved in checking the Nimrod fleet in the last week, and I can quite happily tell you it's nothing to do with the starters.

I will, however, not speculate on the cause. That's the job of the Board of Inquiry.
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RE: Nimrod MR2 Down In Afghanistan

Tue Sep 12, 2006 5:33 am

Alasdair

Thanks for that.

As you say, best to wait for the Board.

The only reason that I thought of XW666 is that there have fourtuneately been so few accidents.

Still one is one too many.

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