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Buying A Fighter Jet?

Thu Sep 14, 2006 7:35 am

This is my first post in the military forum, so forgive me if this has been discussed to death. I'm just curious if it's possible for a civilian to buy a fighter plane. I'm assuming here that no weapon systems would be included, but would it be possible to buy just the aircraft for use as a private plane?? What about a used one? Thanx

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RE: Buying A Fighter Jet?

Thu Sep 14, 2006 10:51 am

There are people who own MiG-15/17's, Yaks, and AN-2s and fly them as personal aircraft.

You can also get a Czech L-39 trainer on the market as well.

I've heard of some people owning F-4 Phantoms too.
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RE: Buying A Fighter Jet?

Thu Sep 14, 2006 11:54 am

Quoting Cgagn (Thread starter):
This is my first post in the military forum, so forgive me if this has been discussed to death. I'm just curious if it's possible for a civilian to buy a fighter plane. I'm assuming here that no weapon systems would be included, but would it be possible to buy just the aircraft for use as a private plane?? What about a used one? Thanx

C-GAGN

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RE: Buying A Fighter Jet?

Thu Sep 14, 2006 12:10 pm

Any chance of an older F15 or something like that??

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RE: Buying A Fighter Jet?

Thu Sep 14, 2006 1:55 pm

I heard one guy owns an F-16. Can't vouch for that though.
 
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RE: Buying A Fighter Jet?

Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:14 pm

(please note this is 10 year old info)

Yes – one can legally purchase a fighter jet. My neighbor’s step dad paid around $100k USD for his Czech L-39 in 1994. I recall him having to take the plane to OKC to convert the instrumentation from Cyrillic.




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RE: Buying A Fighter Jet?

Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:17 pm

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 5):
My neighbor’s step dad paid around $100k USD for his Czech L-39 in 1994

They ain't that cheap these days.

Shoot, 10 years ago I thought the 150K they wanted for a Mig-15UTI was pretty cheap...I would say the L-39 was the better deal.
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RE: Buying A Fighter Jet?

Thu Sep 14, 2006 9:25 pm

IIRC, there are a couple of privately-owned F-104's at PIE. One was in the circuit --low and loud--over my home on 9-11..a little disconcerting at first...
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RE: Buying A Fighter Jet?

Thu Sep 14, 2006 9:39 pm

Quoting Cgagn (Thread starter):
I'm just curious if it's possible for a civilian to buy a fighter plane.

A response to a thread sometime ago described how to go about this. Can't find the thread now.
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RE: Buying A Fighter Jet?

Thu Sep 14, 2006 11:27 pm

Quoting CannibalZ3 (Reply 4):
I heard one guy owns an F-16. Can't vouch for that though.

Don't know if that is true. Might be possible but not acquired from the US.

I've been told by people who own some amazing warbirds that for a US citizen to acquire a still-operational type will make him some enemies in the US State Department and Defense Department and that he can expect to lose it - one way or another.

This week I'm watching people with personal Migs, L-39s, FJ-4, and the first truly private OV-10. There are private T-33s, an F-86 and an F-100 over on the far side of the field right now. Reno is cluttered with such planes this week.
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RE: Buying A Fighter Jet?

Fri Sep 15, 2006 12:05 am

There was a Blue Angels F-18 that was accidentally sold to a salvage firm without the limitation paperwork being signed, allowing them to put it up for sale privately.

It was set at about $1million for self assembly, or $9million ready to fly.
 
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RE: Buying A Fighter Jet?

Fri Sep 15, 2006 12:15 am

Some guy in Quincy, IL owns two Mikoyan MiG-29 Fulcrums.
 
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RE: Buying A Fighter Jet?

Fri Sep 15, 2006 12:25 am

There is also an F-105 ThunderThud here at Reno-Stead airport. I don't think it can be made airworthy but wouldn't that be cool!
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RE: Buying A Fighter Jet?

Fri Sep 15, 2006 1:22 am

Quoting N911ME (Reply 11):
Some guy in Quincy, IL owns two Mikoyan MiG-29 Fulcrums.

http://www.air-usa.com/AirUSA_home.htm

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RE: Buying A Fighter Jet?

Fri Sep 15, 2006 9:46 am

Quoting Cgagn (Reply 3):
Any chance of an older F15 or something like that??

Civilians are not allowed to own anything on the active US inventory. Even if it gets past the wrecker's ball, any military aircraft has to be decommisioned prior to being struck off the inventory. The F-104 was put together from parts and wasn't a full airframe to start with. General Ritchie owns the only civilian F-4 in the world to my knowledge. Foreign aircraft are a different matter, hence a lot of the Migs flying around.
 
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RE: Buying A Fighter Jet?

Fri Sep 15, 2006 11:29 am

Quoting Texfly101 (Reply 14):
Civilians are not allowed to own anything on the active US inventory.

I know there is at least one T-38 on the civilian register.
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RE: Buying A Fighter Jet?

Fri Sep 15, 2006 12:13 pm

Here you go:

http://www.internationaljets.com/aforsale.html

These guys are about 30 minutes from my house and specialize primarily in the L-39. $200k +/- will get you the jet and training.

I used to work for a guy who had a F-86. Unfortunately he died in a crash in this a/c during an air show.
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RE: Buying A Fighter Jet?

Fri Sep 15, 2006 12:46 pm

The F-104 belongs to the Starfighters demo team based at PIE. They are currently in the process of obtaining a great number of Zippers from the Italian AF and are moving their operations to CHA. They had one of their CF-104s at the NAS Oceana airshow this past weekend so it was most likely returning home on Monday (9/11). I think they are planning to have a 4-ship team by 2008 which will be impressive.

http://www.starfighters.net/

I want to get a hold of a couple A-6 Intruders for a demo team and perform on the airshow circuit. I think that'd be kinda cool...  Smile
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RE: Buying A Fighter Jet?

Fri Sep 15, 2006 5:44 pm

Is there any chance we will be seeing F-14s in civilian hands?
 
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RE: Buying A Fighter Jet?

Fri Sep 15, 2006 10:13 pm

Quoting PhotoLPPT (Reply 18):
Is there any chance we will be seeing F-14s in civilian hands?

There's a story floating around that Dale Snodgrass is trying to get his hands on at least sixteen F-14's.
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RE: Buying A Fighter Jet?

Fri Sep 15, 2006 11:20 pm

Quoting LMP737 (Reply 19):
trying to get his hands on at least sixteen F-14's.

Some people sure do know how to shop for toys!
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RE: Buying A Fighter Jet?

Sat Sep 16, 2006 2:53 am

Last I heard (when I talked to Snodgrass back in May) is that his plans to acquire the F-14s came to a halt when the corporate sponsorship needed for such a venture was not obtained. Pity though, I would've liked to see Snort fly a Tomcat demo. I had heard rumblings of a Tomcat going to NASA but I don't know much about that. It would be nice to see a Cat still flying after Oct 4 or so but most of the remaining VF-31 F-14s are going to museums, and several are going to AMARC.

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RE: Buying A Fighter Jet?

Sat Sep 16, 2006 3:38 am

There also some Alpha Jets around. About four with the Red Bull Team in Austria and at least one with Robert Lutz, Vice Chairman of Product Development and Chairman of GM North America.
 
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RE: Buying A Fighter Jet?

Sat Sep 16, 2006 4:38 am

Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Reply 16):
I used to work for a guy who had a F-86. Unfortunately he died in a crash in this a/c during an air show.

Who was/When was this??? Sorry to hear that.

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RE: Buying A Fighter Jet?

Sat Sep 16, 2006 7:15 am

Quoting Jderden777 (Reply 21):
Last I heard (when I talked to Snodgrass back in May) is that his plans to acquire the F-14s came to a halt when the corporate sponsorship needed for such a venture was not obtained.

Well that sucks! I wonder he knocked on Paul Allens door?
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RE: Buying A Fighter Jet?

Sat Sep 16, 2006 9:58 am

Quoting Checksixx (Reply 23):
Who was/When was this??? Sorry to hear that.

Steve Snyder back in June of 99. He was quite an innovator in the aero world as well with literally dozens of patents for both civil and military applications, mostly parachute related. He's also remembered for starting the project to design/build new ME-262s. It's too bad he didn't live to fly one as it was his dream. If you've ever been to the Air Victory Museum in Southern NJ that was also his work.
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RE: Buying A Fighter Jet?

Sat Sep 16, 2006 11:06 am




Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 5):
I recall him having to take the plane to OKC to convert the instrumentation from Cyrillic.

Wuss....  biggrin 

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 12):
There is also an F-105 ThunderThud here at Reno-Stead airport. I don't think it can be made airworthy but

IIRC, even the USAF could barely keep them airworthy, even when they were in service and parts were available...

Quoting Jderden777 (Reply 21):
Pity though, I would've liked to see Snort fly a Tomcat demo.

I'd pay a substantial amount of money to watch a Snodgrass Tomcat demo. The worst part is, if anyone could pull the governmental strings and actually make it happen, it would be him. He's got friends in high places, to say the least...




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RE: Buying A Fighter Jet?

Mon Sep 18, 2006 8:30 am

I would love to own a Mig-25. Yea I dont have the money for it...but is it even for sale? If Mig-29s can be found is there a possibility of getting some Foxbats? Why has nobody bought any Mig-23s or -25s? Just curious because those are far more cool than the Mig-21 or Mig-15/17.
 
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RE: Buying A Fighter Jet?

Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:45 am

Quoting Cgagn (Reply 3):
Any chance of an older F15 or something like that??

C-GAGN

Im quite positive it is illegal in North America to own any piece of military flying equipment if it is still in service with the actual air force fleet. As stated above there are MANY phantoms and star-fighters etc flying around... however not F16s nor F15S. Wait 15 years and you will probably see F-16s privately owned. Unfortunately here in Canada it is illegal to own any x-military jet aircraft. Perhaps there are others reasons as well....
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RE: Buying A Fighter Jet?

Tue Sep 19, 2006 1:00 am

Quoting CF188A (Reply 28):
Im quite positive it is illegal in North America to own any piece of military flying equipment if it is still in service with the actual air force fleet

I dont think its illegal, just incredibly hard to accomplish due to the fact that the US military wont sell surplus any in-service aircraft in a usable state, which is why the Blue Angels F-18 I mentioned was worth mentioning.

The scrap merchants owning that particular aircraft havent come under legal threat as far as I know.
 
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RE: Buying A Fighter Jet?

Tue Sep 19, 2006 2:43 am

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 29):

I dont think its illegal, just incredibly hard to accomplish due to the fact that the US military wont sell surplus any in-service aircraft in a usable state, which is why the Blue Angels F-18 I mentioned was worth mentioning.

The scrap merchants owning that particular aircraft havent come under legal threat as far as I know.

I remember that F/A-18A.....it was on eBay for awhile. I'd be interested to see the particular regs on owning currently-used combat aircraft in the US - I think that if you can get your hands on one (as long as it's de-militarized), you're alright. Must be a pretty difficult process though. I'm with Dale Snodgrass.....I'll throw down for some Tomcats.
 
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RE: Buying A Fighter Jet?

Tue Sep 19, 2006 3:23 am

Maybe Dale Snodgrass could convince Iran to give up their F-14s... Wink
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RE: Buying A Fighter Jet?

Tue Sep 19, 2006 6:36 am

Quoting Jderden777 (Reply 17):
I want to get a hold of a couple A-6 Intruders for a demo team

I'm with you....they're all out rotting at AMARC, none were ever exported...so why not.

Quoting Jderden777 (Reply 31):
Maybe Dale Snodgrass could convince Iran to give up their F-14s...

Those old pieces of crap? The Grumman engineers were smart for sabatoging those aircraft right before they fled the country. When was the last time any of them flew?

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RE: Buying A Fighter Jet?

Tue Sep 19, 2006 6:57 am

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 32):
Those old pieces of crap? The Grumman engineers were smart for sabatoging those aircraft right before they fled the country. When was the last time any of them flew?

According to this quote from Wiki, that sabotage didnt actually occur.

Quote:

Contrary to usual reports, no U.S. technicians or "agents" managed to sabotage any of Iranian F-14s before leaving. Several Hughes technicians did manage to sabotage 18 AIM-54 "ready to use" missiles before they were forced to leave Khatami AB in February 1979

Its backed up with a reference to Smithsonian Air & Space, Vol. 21 No. 3, September, 2006, "Persian Cats" by Tom Cooper p. 36-39.

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