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Changes The Usaf Make To The KC-135E TF-33

Fri Sep 15, 2006 9:03 am

I know the KC-135E got there engines from civilian 707's. I also herd that at take off the TF-33 on a KC-135E are very hard on the ears. Now I know 707 was very loud airliners (from hearing Air Force Two land at LAX), but I herd the TF-33 on KC-135E are near unbearable at take off. I can not see anything that hard on the ears taking off from LAX everyday. So here is my question, did USAF make changes to the JT3-D before turning them into TF-33. Another reason I ask this question is because a civilian engines wound keep it's civilian name, they are call TF-33 instead of JT3-D which led me to think they have been change to military standers. Did they take the noise reducer out of the engines.
 
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RE: Changes The Usaf Make To The KC-135E TF-33

Fri Sep 15, 2006 7:31 pm

Quoting 747400sp (Thread starter):
I know the KC-135E got there engines from civilian 707's. I also herd that at take off the TF-33 on a KC-135E are very hard on the ears. Now I know 707 was very loud airliners (from hearing Air Force Two land at LAX), but I herd the TF-33 on KC-135E are near unbearable at take off. I can not see anything that hard on the ears taking off from LAX everyday. So here is my question, did USAF make changes to the JT3-D before turning them into TF-33. Another reason I ask this question is because a civilian engines wound keep it's civilian name, they are call TF-33 instead of JT3-D which led me to think they have been change to military standers. Did they take the noise reducer out of the engines.

I worked on the KC-135A many years ago and it was loud, especially with the water injection kicked in. I don't believe the TF-33 is that loud. Who or what was your source that said the TF-33 was loud?
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RE: Changes The Usaf Make To The KC-135E TF-33

Sun Sep 24, 2006 5:30 am

Quoting EBJ1248650 (Reply 1):
I don't believe the TF-33 is that loud. Who or what was your source that said the TF-33 was loud?

Well from replys from other topic, where people said that a KC-135E will hurt your ears at take off. But after hearing an USAF E-3 Sentery take off yesterday at NAS Oceana, I may have to agree with you. What a disapointment, first I get there to late to see the last F-14 do a fly by then the lack of noise those TF-33 made on that E-3 Sentery at take off.  Sad
 
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RE: Changes The Usaf Make To The KC-135E TF-33

Tue Sep 26, 2006 6:04 pm

Quoting 747400sp (Thread starter):
So here is my question, did USAF make changes to the JT3-D before turning them into TF-33. Another reason I ask this question is because a civilian engines wound keep it's civilian name, they are call TF-33 instead of JT3-D which led me to think they have been change to military standers. Did they take the noise reducer out of the engines.

No, when the USAF got those engines, and other parts from the donor B-707-300B/C/-320Bs, they did not really change the engines. These JT-3Ds had no "noise reducers", they just got the military designation of TF-33-P-100. After the engines were removed from the B-707s at DM, they were sent to the TWA engine maintenance facility in St. Louis for complete overhaul to zero time. The struts, generators, hydraulic pumps, horizontal stabilizers, and throttle quadrents were all sent to Boeing Witicha for overhaul, and most KC-135Es were modified there (but some were done at Tinker AFB, OK). The KC-135E modification also included new 5 rotor brakes and a Mark V anti-skid system. Most KC-135As had a 4 rotor brake system and a Mark IV anti-skid system. There were no landing gear componets from the B-707s used on the KC-135s as the gear and wheels are completely different.
 
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RE: Changes The Usaf Make To The KC-135E TF-33

Wed Sep 27, 2006 8:28 am

Does anyone know if TF-33s from the C-141 made it into the supply chain for the E model tanker? I'd always figured they did before reading these posts.

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RE: Changes The Usaf Make To The KC-135E TF-33

Wed Sep 27, 2006 8:24 pm

Quoting PW4084 (Reply 4):
Does anyone know if TF-33s from the C-141 made it into the supply chain for the E model tanker?

No, the TF-33-P-15s used on the C-141A/Bs were a different varient than the TF-33-P-100s used on the KC-135E. The C-141 engines were also different than those used on the EC/RC-135s or the E-3s, which were the P-7, P-9, and P-101 versions. The C-141 TF-33s were more like the JT-3Ds used on some of the DC-8s.
 
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RE: Changes The Usaf Make To The KC-135E TF-33

Thu Sep 28, 2006 12:47 am

The TF-33's used KC-135E's were differnet from the JT3D used on Commercial 707's, the JT3D had a extra bleed air stage so to operate the turbo compressor under the kneecap. The KC-135E uses bleed air to pressurize the cabin not ram air that the turbocompressor uses. IMHO the JT3D was a better engine, the TF-33- p-102 that the E models uses is a piece of crap the P-100 on the E-3 is a much better engine , think TF-33 on steroids, more thrust extra bleed air valve to help with throttle decelaration and much bigger intake and no sucker doors on the ring cowl , that is why there are 2 bleed valves.
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