sleekjet
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Need A Plane ID'ed

Wed Sep 20, 2006 10:17 am

This strange aircraft departed Love Field in Dallas this morning. No visible reg number. Had some sort of contraption beneath the fuselage. The tail end of the fuselage had some sort of extension to it. Anyone able to tell me what this is and how I could get a reg number?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/tim552/Navy1.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/tim552/Navy2.jpg
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RE: Need A Plane ID'ed

Wed Sep 20, 2006 10:25 am

Well it is a Lockheed P-3 Orion, probably with a US Navy history. It is apparently still US military - star & bar is not used by DEA or Customs etc.

Looks like a SLAR pod underneath but I'll leave that to someone who is up to date on such.
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RE: Need A Plane ID'ed

Wed Sep 20, 2006 11:03 am

Quoting Sleekjet (Thread starter):
The tail end of the fuselage had some sort of extension to it.

That's the MAD boom - pretty much standard on P-3's.
MAD = Magnetic Anomaly Detector. Used to find, surprisingly enough, magnetic anomalies in the Earth's magnetic field caused by large masses of ferrous metals under the surface of the ocean. In other words; a way to hunt for submarines.

Aside from the lack of tail letters, MODEX numbers, and the word NAVY on the aft fuselage, it's marked just like almost all the other P-3's in the Navy. We had 2 squadrons of them at NAS Willow Grove when I was there, so I'm fairly familiar with them.

The "canoe" under the fuselage looks like a SLAR to me, too.

I wonder if it's the same anonymous SLAR'd P-3 from this pic:
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1098596/L/
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RE: Need A Plane ID'ed

Wed Sep 20, 2006 11:12 am

I'm a civilian. What's a SLAR pod?
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RE: Need A Plane ID'ed

Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:47 pm

Quoting Sleekjet (Reply 3):
I'm a civilian. What's a SLAR pod?

Side Looking Airborne Radar
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RE: Need A Plane ID'ed

Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:58 pm

Maybe this Orion's coming out of Chrysler's operation in Waco?

I didn't see a Bureau No. anywhere on the empennage either (though the pictures do not give great detail to the aft end of the aircraft). Maybe it's heading for some Customs ops.....or, it could be assigned to VPU-1/VPU-2: these two squadrons are a sort of Navy "specops" component - fake modex, tail codes, bureau no., etc. - used for some sort of crazy stuff.

[Edited 2006-09-20 05:59:51]
 
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RE: Need A Plane ID'ed

Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:33 pm

Looks like a standard P-3 to me-save for the pod.

Lookes like it extends under the weapons bay, so it probably gave up it's sub mission.

Surface surveillence perhaps through a SLAR, or maybe it's an ELINT pod.
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RE: Need A Plane ID'ed

Wed Sep 20, 2006 2:48 pm

Look at this site:
http://home.wxs.nl/~p3orion/sneaky.html
and read the following part "NAWC-23 at Dallas Love Field"
 
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RE: Need A Plane ID'ed

Wed Sep 20, 2006 8:23 pm

Quoting JarheadK5 (Reply 2):
I wonder if it's the same anonymous SLAR'd P-3 from this pic:

I'd say yes, and my guess it was flying shortly after repair. Your picture was dated 16 Aug 06, so that about 30 days ago. About right for a repair of that size.
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RE: Need A Plane ID'ed

Wed Sep 20, 2006 9:48 pm

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 8):
I'd say yes, and my guess it was flying shortly after repair. Your picture was dated 16 Aug 06, so that about 30 days ago. About right for a repair of that size.

That's what I was thinking. In the second pic posted in this thread, that radome is awfully shiny-new looking. I don't recall radomes looking that pretty at the Grove very often...

Quoting Brendows (Reply 7):
Look at this site:
http://home.wxs.nl/~p3orion/sneaky.html
and read the following part "NAWC-23 at Dallas Love Field"

D'oh!
I read that page, linked from another thread here (in Tech/Ops I believe), and managed to forget that secret-squirrel P-3 activities at Love Field were mentioned in there.
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RE: Need A Plane ID'ed

Thu Sep 21, 2006 1:19 am

Quoting JarheadK5 (Reply 2):
I wonder if it's the same anonymous SLAR'd P-3 from this pic:

Well, if so, that would explain why the

Quoting JarheadK5 (Reply 9):
radome is awfully shiny-new looking

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Quoting N911ME (Reply 5):
a sort of Navy "specops" component - fake modex, tail codes, bureau no., etc. - used for some sort of crazy stuff.

Don't want to know! I'm no longer "cleared for wierd" as we used to say.
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RE: Need A Plane ID'ed

Thu Sep 21, 2006 2:09 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 6):
Lookes like it extends under the weapons bay, so it probably gave up it's sub mission

as has been written about before, these planes have items like dummy painted sonobouy displays...so don't think that they are anything that they appear to be.

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 10):
Don't want to know! I'm no longer "cleared for wierd" as we used to say.

and that is a great statement. Like SlamClick, I don't even ask anymore as the need to know is not there. The clearance, when in effect, says don't talk about it...and afterwards, don't ask about it. So we can just enjoy the pic of a definitely "not the normal stuff" airplane. Thanks for the post of the pic.
 
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RE: Need A Plane ID'ed

Thu Sep 21, 2006 5:29 am

Here is a picture from the database:

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RE: Need A Plane ID'ed

Thu Sep 21, 2006 11:31 am

You know it wouldn't exactly surprise me to find out these birds spend a lot of time out of the Carribean using that SLAR to spot drug runners.

Especially when you consider where they are based.
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RE: Need A Plane ID'ed

Thu Sep 21, 2006 11:42 am

Quoting Texfly101 (Reply 11):
and that is a great statement. Like SlamClick, I don't even ask anymore as the need to know is not there. The clearance, when in effect, says don't talk about it...and afterwards, don't ask about it. So we can just enjoy the pic of a definitely "not the normal stuff" airplane. Thanks for the post of the pic.

That's not classified material - and that's the point of this thread.
 
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RE: Need A Plane ID'ed

Thu Sep 21, 2006 11:52 am

Quoting N911ME (Reply 14):
That's not classified material

What exactly is not classified?
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RE: Need A Plane ID'ed

Thu Sep 21, 2006 11:56 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 6):
Lookes like it extends under the weapons bay, so it probably gave up it's sub mission.

On the P-3 the weapons bay (bomb bay) is just aft of the nose wheel well. Those holes in the aft end of the SLAR are the chutes for sonar buoy's. The web site has a picture of a P-3 with the weapons bay doors open. About half way down on first page.

http://www.aeroflight.co.uk/types/us.../lockheed_martin/p-3/P-3_Orion.htm
 
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RE: Need A Plane ID'ed

Sat Sep 23, 2006 12:14 am

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 15):

What exactly is not classified?

What I said about the aircraft having fake bureau no.s, modexes, tail codes, etc. and being used for classified missions.
 
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RE: Need A Plane ID'ed

Sat Sep 23, 2006 12:25 am

Quoting N911ME (Reply 17):
What I said about the aircraft having fake bureau no.s, modexes, tail codes, etc. and being used for classified missions

Oh, okay. No argument.

What we were alluding to is that those of us who actually have been cleared for, and trained on certain types of military missions are expected to remain silent about them long after we have departed the field, even after the basic mission has been declassified.

When a person who was never part of the mission makes statements regarding, they are speculating or repeating rumors. When a person who was part of it makes any statement they carry some weight in intel circles. So most of us who did this sort of thing still take it pretty seriously. My wife still does not know what I did in Vietnam, for example, and there are a couple of words that I will still not speak aloud - or post on the internet. Even at the time we often used substitute words just to form the habit of not speaking the real ones.
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RE: Need A Plane ID'ed

Sun Sep 24, 2006 12:15 am

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 18):

Yes sir - I gotcha: no disrespect was intended in my statement. My father's retired Navy.....many things he still does not talk about.
 
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RE: Need A Plane ID'ed

Sun Sep 24, 2006 8:52 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 13):
You know it wouldn't exactly surprise me to find out these birds spend a lot of time out of the Carribean using that SLAR to spot drug runners.

Especially when you consider where they are based.

Exactly what I was thinking. Also explains why it's OK to block the weapons pods -- they're not out hunting subs anymore.

*If* they're looking for drug runners, wouldn't they get more bang for the buck (1-2 more hours on station) by basing them even closer to the coast?

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RE: Need A Plane ID'ed

Mon Sep 25, 2006 2:18 am

Quoting Lredlefsen (Reply 20):
wouldn't they get more bang for the buck (1-2 more hours on station) by basing them even closer to the coast?

Very likely, but they would sacrifice response time for that. I don't know if we are actually DOING ANYTHING about the drug traffic other than monitoring it. Roughly fifty percent of Americans regard the importation of narcotics not as a problem but as the supply side of their shopping. But if we are still trying to interdict at the dropoff fields, I'm sure it takes some time to get our assets in place.
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RE: Need A Plane ID'ed

Fri Sep 29, 2006 5:52 am



Here's another interesting aircraft. I can't find a single photo of it anywhere on the internet.





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