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F-35 Fires Up F135 Engine

Thu Sep 21, 2006 8:06 am

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RE: F-35 Fires Up F135 Engine

Thu Sep 21, 2006 9:13 am

"The engine was started using the F-35’s Honeywell-developed integrated power package (IPP), a combined starter/generator, electrical power supply and environmental control system that saves space and weight."

That's pretty cool that they've been able to integrate all those bulky systems into one.

40,000lbs of thrust is pretty impressive too, too bad it's only single engine though.

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RE: F-35 Fires Up F135 Engine

Thu Sep 21, 2006 6:09 pm

I think its awesome that they got 40K lbs of thrust out of one little jet engine. That is an awesome pic as well they got of the AB!
 
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RE: F-35 Fires Up F135 Engine

Fri Sep 22, 2006 4:34 am

Quoting Galaxy5007 (Reply 2):

Yeah, pretty amazing. P&W must be guaranteeing reliability for the USN to opt for single engine. BTW, P&W has upped the rating to 43k! Amazing.
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RE: F-35 Fires Up F135 Engine

Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:32 pm

Not surprising. Most engines in aviation are de-rated from the get-go.

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RE: F-35 Fires Up F135 Engine

Tue Sep 26, 2006 12:48 am

The tail section sure does look bulky compared to say an F-16.
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RE: F-35 Fires Up F135 Engine

Tue Sep 26, 2006 5:46 am

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 5):
The tail section sure does look bulky compared to say an F-16.

Yes it is. The side-effect of twin vertical stabs and internal weapons carriage methinks.
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RE: F-35 Fires Up F135 Engine

Wed Sep 27, 2006 7:46 am

Quoting MCIGuy (Reply 3):
Yeah, pretty amazing. P&W must be guaranteeing reliability for the USN to opt for single engine. BTW, P&W has upped the rating to 43k! Amazing.

How does that engine compare in size to the F110 or the F100 engine; both used in the F-16? Could the F-16 employ it? Would the F-15E be able to accommodate it?
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RE: F-35 Fires Up F135 Engine

Wed Sep 27, 2006 11:07 am

Quoting EBJ1248650 (Reply 7):
How does that engine compare in size to the F110 or the F100 engine; both used in the F-16? Could the F-16 employ it? Would the F-15E be able to accommodate it?

Nope, the fan diameter on the 135 is too big. Even if it would fit, the plumbing and wiring modifications would make it prohibitively expensive.
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RE: F-35 Fires Up F135 Engine

Tue Oct 10, 2006 1:58 pm

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full-afterburner test three days later during which the Pratt & Whitney F135 turbofan generated almost 40,000lb of thrust.

A turbofan afterburner that can actually (and finally) generate more thrust than each of Concorde's engines. I'm curious of the specific stats for it.

Any efficiency gain on Concorde has got to be a sign of something. Big grin
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RE: F-35 Fires Up F135 Engine

Tue Oct 10, 2006 2:48 pm

Quoting Lehpron (Reply 9):
A turbofan afterburner that can actually (and finally) generate more thrust than each of Concorde's engines. I'm curious of the specific stats for it.

There are others out there that came around much before this. The most impressive, I think, is the Russian NK-321... it puts out 55000lbs of thrust in afterburner. (Its found on the Tu-160 long range supersonic bomber)
 
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RE: F-35 Fires Up F135 Engine

Fri Oct 13, 2006 6:29 am

The F-135 Puts out 43,000 pounds of total thrust ( on a test stand) according to internal USAF and P and W documents in pocession with me !
 
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RE: F-35 Fires Up F135 Engine

Fri Oct 13, 2006 8:16 am

Man! I wish the F-135 was in serves with the USN today. Could you just think how much that engine would shake a carrier flight deck.  Big grin
 
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RE: F-35 Fires Up F135 Engine

Fri Oct 13, 2006 8:58 am

With the slowing of the JSF program, that would be a long while yet.
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RE: F-35 Fires Up F135 Engine

Fri Oct 13, 2006 12:46 pm

If they ever decide to build an uprated B-1B (what would they call it? B-1C? B-1B2? B-3?), I would imagine they could use F135's to power it, at four per aircraft.
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RE: F-35 Fires Up F135 Engine

Fri Oct 13, 2006 1:03 pm

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 14):
If they ever decide to build an uprated B-1B (what would they call it? B-1C? B-1B2? B-3?), I would imagine they could use F135's to power it, at four per aircraft.

They're never going to "build" an uprated version... they might make rolling improvements through the aircraft's service life, but not any brand new airframes.

The truth is, we're more likely to see the next major bomber be an unmanned platform, than something along the lines of an upgraded B-1B. It's the "way of the future."

Anyway, out of curiosity, why do you think the 135s are a good choice for upgrading the B-1B?

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RE: F-35 Fires Up F135 Engine

Fri Oct 13, 2006 1:08 pm

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 15):
Anyway, out of curiosity, why do you think the 135s are a good choice for upgrading the B-1B?

Greater thrust and the most advanced engine of its type.

The B-1B's engines are around 30,000 lbs. of thrust each.

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 15):
They're never going to "build" an uprated version... they might make rolling improvements through the aircraft's service life, but not any brand new airframes.

That's why I said "if". I don't disagree with you that it'll probably never actually happen.
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RE: F-35 Fires Up F135 Engine

Fri Oct 13, 2006 1:16 pm

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 16):
That's why I said "if". I don't disagree with you that it'll probably never actually happen.

What can I say. We're being slowly kicked out of the cockpit.  Yeah sure

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 16):
Greater thrust and the most advanced engine of its type.

The B-1B's engines are around 30,000 lbs. of thrust each.

But I think it would be the same case as the F-16. As mentioned above, the two airframes are simply not compatible and would take such a high level of reworking the plumbing/airframe/etc... it wouldn't be worth the trouble.

I'd venture to say we're more likely to see the re-engining of the B-52 than the re-engining of the B-1B. And we all know how long we've been asking, "When are those B52s gonna get re-engined?"  bored 

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RE: F-35 Fires Up F135 Engine

Fri Oct 13, 2006 1:49 pm

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The first F-35, aircraft AA-1, has been returned to the hangar at Fort Worth in Texas for installation of the final flight-qualified components, with a first flight now expected between mid-November and mid-December. “We think we will this year, but the real answer is we will fly when the aircraft is ready,” says Pearson.

Does this mean this engine test took place in Fort Worth? Is that where final assembly of the F-35 will take place? I should know these things, but unfortunately, I do not.
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RE: F-35 Fires Up F135 Engine

Sat Oct 14, 2006 8:03 am

Quoting N844AA (Reply 18):
Does this mean this engine test took place in Fort Worth? Is that where final assembly of the F-35 will take place? I should know these things, but unfortunately, I do not.

You are correct, Ft. Worth is the final assembly point for the F-35.

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RE: F-35 Fires Up F135 Engine

Sat Oct 14, 2006 2:29 pm

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 14):
If they ever decide to build an uprated B-1B (what would they call it? B-1C? B-1B2? B-3?), I would imagine they could use F135's to power it, at four per aircraft.

The concept is "B-1R" and it calls for using the Raptors F119 engines. As to whether or not it will ever get done...

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The B-1R is a proposed replacement for the B-1B fleet.[3] Boeing's director of global strike integration, Rich Parke, was first quoted about the "B-1R" bomber in Air Force Magazine. Parke said the B-1R (R stands for "regional") would be a Lancer with advanced radars, air-to-air missiles, and F-22 engines. Its new top speed — Mach 2.2 — would be purchased at the price of a 20% reduction of the B-1B's combat range. This proposal would involve modifying existing aircraft. The FB-22 and YF-23 are alternative proposals.

Additional enhancements would include network-centric capabilities, air-to-air engagement, active electronically-scanned array radar, improved defensive systems, and opening up existing external hard points for conventional weapons.




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RE: F-35 Fires Up F135 Engine

Sat Oct 14, 2006 3:15 pm

^^ Excellent information, MCIGuy. Very much appreciated.
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RE: F-35 Fires Up F135 Engine

Tue Nov 07, 2006 12:51 pm

The JSF faces another challenge on two fronts.....

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RE: F-35 Fires Up F135 Engine

Tue Nov 07, 2006 7:44 pm

Quoting MCIGuy (Reply 20):
The FB-22 and YF-23 are alternative proposals.

Huh?

FB-22 can understand (obviously stretched/modified) but a "straight" YF-23? I thought development of it was curtailed when it lost out to the YF-22?
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RE: F-35 Fires Up F135 Engine

Tue Nov 07, 2006 8:36 pm

Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 22):
The JSF faces another challenge on two fronts.....

Interesting that Australian committment isn't mentioned. Does this mean the door is slowly coming ajar for a Raptor purchase? One can only hope.
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RE: F-35 Fires Up F135 Engine

Sun Nov 12, 2006 9:43 pm

Quoting TSV (Reply 24):
Interesting that Australian committment isn't mentioned. Does this mean the door is slowly coming ajar for a Raptor purchase? One can only hope.

I think your hope may start fading away. DID reports that Defense Minister Nelson had announced that the Australian Government had given "First Pass" for the JSF program. It says the minister plans to sign the production phase MoU in December 2006 once administrative arrangements are in place.....

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/
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RE: F-35 Fires Up F135 Engine

Mon Nov 13, 2006 4:57 pm

Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 25):
Quoting TSV (Reply 24):
Interesting that Australian committment isn't mentioned. Does this mean the door is slowly coming ajar for a Raptor purchase? One can only hope.

I think your hope may start fading away. DID reports that Defense Minister Nelson had announced that the Australian Government had given "First Pass" for the JSF program. It says the minister plans to sign the production phase MoU in December 2006 once administrative arrangements are in place.....

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/

Not to mention the Senate reinstated the foreign sales ban on the Raptor a couple of months ago. I'm sure it will be lifted again one day though.
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RE: F-35 Fires Up F135 Engine

Mon Nov 13, 2006 10:11 pm

Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 25):
I think your hope may start fading away.

Hope always exists with projects like these as there are intrinsically many ways they can fail.
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