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Fail-Safe Vs Dr.Strangelove

Sat Sep 23, 2006 2:30 am

Which is the better movie? I have Fail-Safe to watch later on and was wondering if anyone could give some input.

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RE: Fail-Safe Vs Dr.Strangelove

Sat Sep 23, 2006 3:19 am

Dr. strangelove is way better, Kubrick touch, great, great movie. Fail-safe is not bad, very sad movie... if you're in a sad mood, don't watch it.

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RE: Fail-Safe Vs Dr.Strangelove

Sat Sep 23, 2006 3:25 am

Fail-Safe is sad, yet... noble in its own way.

By Dawn's Early Light is similar in its feeling... and frustration and futility.

Dr. Strangelove is more comical...
 
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RE: Fail-Safe Vs Dr.Strangelove

Sat Sep 23, 2006 3:28 am

Dr Strangelove has the laughs, Peter Sellers oustanding bunch of performances, lingers in the memory and is generally still the one seen as a classic.

Fail Safe was a victim of timing-clashing with Kubrick's film.
Good, but though both are of their time, Kubrick, rightly, is better remembered.

Apparently, USAF people were not happy at the detail and realism of the B-52 interior mock-ups for the film, that Kubrick built with his usual obsession for detail, at Elstree studios in England.
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RE: Fail-Safe Vs Dr.Strangelove

Sat Sep 23, 2006 5:10 am

Quoting SCEagle (Reply 2):
By Dawn's Early Light is similar in its feeling... and frustration and futility.

I LOVE this movie....

All 3 are going to be required viewing for my children when they become teenagers.

The key to how important or "good" each are depends on what you want to take out of them.

Fail Safe and Dawn's light are great movies taking a more analytical look at a nuclear holocaust where as Strangelove tries to diffuse the horror of fail safe with GREAT humor. It's really impossible to compare drama to comedy, but obviously while they need eachother to exist; you literally are comparing apples to oranges.
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RE: Fail-Safe Vs Dr.Strangelove

Sat Sep 23, 2006 9:00 am

Here's some trivia: Peter Sellers played the British officer, the President, and Dr. Strangelove. I didn't even notice until someone pointed it out to me.
 
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RE: Fail-Safe Vs Dr.Strangelove

Sun Sep 24, 2006 12:13 pm

Quoting Sean1234 (Reply 5):
Here's some trivia: Peter Sellers played the British officer, the President, and Dr. Strangelove. I didn't even notice until someone pointed it out to me.

The Strangelove has some a good extra feature on the filming of the movie. It was there I learned that Peter Sellars was also slated to play the B-52 Aircraft Commander that was portrayed by Slim Pickens. Dr Strangelove was by far the most popular of the three by my buddies in Strategic Air Command.

One of my favorite parts of the movie is the during the B-52 low level, you can see the shadow of the B-17 camera plane.

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RE: Fail-Safe Vs Dr.Strangelove

Mon Sep 25, 2006 12:55 am

Quoting F4wso (Reply 6):
It was there I learned that Peter Sellars was also slated to play the B-52 Aircraft Commander that was portrayed by Slim Pickens.

As great a job as Peter Sellers did with the three characters, I couldn't imagine anyone but Slim Pickens as Major "King" Kong doing his thing flying "The Leper Colony" against the "Rooskies".
 
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RE: Fail-Safe Vs Dr.Strangelove

Mon Sep 25, 2006 1:30 am

I have not seen the other film, and it sounds as if I should, but nobody should miss seeing Dr S - or How I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0057012/

These characters, all of them strongly parodying a cross section of society make for an odd story.

But you also need to see it to check out some of those current in politics now - 42 years after the film was released.
 
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RE: Fail-Safe Vs Dr.Strangelove

Wed Sep 27, 2006 1:30 am

Quoting RC135U (Reply 7):
As great a job as Peter Sellers did with the three characters, I couldn't imagine anyone but Slim Pickens as Major "King" Kong doing his thing flying "The Leper Colony" against the "Rooskies".

The funny thing is that Kubrick intentionally didn't tell Pickens that the movie was a satire, so Pickens was playing a straight man.
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RE: Fail-Safe Vs Dr.Strangelove

Wed Sep 27, 2006 10:30 am

Strange Love is one of my favorite movies of all time. I honestly believe it was George C. Scott's best performance in any movie. I was in SAC from 78-82, Kubrick nailed the Cold War mentality in his charecters.

"You can't fight in here! This is the War Room!"

"Bucky..."

"...the mine shaft gap!"

Buy the DVD or "You're gonna have to answer to the Coca-Cola Company".

Major Kong and his hat, damn I laugh my ass off everytime I see this movie, ok, see you all later, I'm going to go replenish some of my precious bodily fluids (with some JW Red).
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RE: Fail-Safe Vs Dr.Strangelove

Wed Sep 27, 2006 10:48 am

Quoting CURLYHEADBOY (Reply 1):
Dr. strangelove is way better, Kubrick touch, great, great movie. Fail-safe is not bad, very sad movie... if you're in a sad mood, don't watch it.

Dr. Strangelove, hands down.

Quoting AirSpare (Reply 10):
Major Kong and his hat, damn I laugh my ass off everytime I see this movie, ok, see you all later, I'm going to go replenish some of my precious bodily fluids (with some JW Red).

Between Slim Pickens, Keenan Wynn, Peter Sellers, Sterling Hayden, and of course George C Scott, how could you go wrong?
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RE: Fail-Safe Vs Dr.Strangelove

Wed Sep 27, 2006 11:02 am

Quoting Sean1234 (Reply 5):
Here's some trivia: Peter Sellers played the British officer, the President, and Dr. Strangelove. I didn't even notice until someone pointed it out to me



Quoting RC135U (Reply 7):
As great a job as Peter Sellers did with the three characters, I couldn't imagine anyone but Slim Pickens as Major "King" Kong doing his thing flying "The Leper Colony" against the "Rooskies".

Actually the Major Kong character was also to be played by Sellers, but he took a tumble from the bomb-bay set (set off the ground so the cameras could shoot up) and broke his foot. Slim Pickens was an emergency replacement.

There was a delay in filming because Slim had never been out of the country before and needed to get a passport to get over England to film. Apparently when he walked on set...in his normal attire...one of the secretaries remarked, "Oh he brought his own costume!!!"

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 11):
Between Slim Pickens, Keenan Wynn, Peter Sellers, Sterling Hayden, and of course George C Scott, how could you go wrong?

The guy that did the open credits misspelled a word.....see if you can spot it.

And you did leave off that this was James Earl Jones's first movie role. He was picked up with George C. Scott after Kubrick saw them doing "Othello"

Quoting N328KF (Reply 9):
The funny thing is that Kubrick intentionally didn't tell Pickens that the movie was a satire, so Pickens was playing a straight man.

You know the line, "A fella could have a pretty good weekend in Vegas with all this stuff" crack after the survival kit contents check? That line was a re-dumb.

Trivia question:What was the city that was originally said?
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RE: Fail-Safe Vs Dr.Strangelove

Wed Sep 27, 2006 11:59 am

Quoting AirSpare (Reply 10):
Trivia question:What was the city that was originally said?

Paris wasn't it?

I can't overstate how Kubrick nailed the whole Cold War mentality in this movie. This is a movie that could not be made today, nor understood.
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RE: Fail-Safe Vs Dr.Strangelove

Wed Sep 27, 2006 12:21 pm

Quoting AirSpare (Reply 13):
Paris wasn't it?

Sorry, there aren't a lot of cowboys in Paris.
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RE: Fail-Safe Vs Dr.Strangelove

Wed Sep 27, 2006 1:00 pm

Quoting AirSpare (Reply 10):
Strange Love is one of my favorite movies of all time. I honestly believe it was George C. Scott's best performance in any movie. I was in SAC from 78-82, Kubrick nailed the Cold War mentality in his charecters.

I sometimes thought about Dr. Strangelove myself, particularly when we RC-135 guys would be TDY at Eileson in Alaska and two RC's would be assigned to fly a mission together "over the pole". Two RC's required four tankers and we all launched together so I tried to imagine those six aircraft showing up on the "Rooskie" radars. Of course as the tankers completed their refuelings they dropped off and headed home, finally leaving us to complete the customary 18+ hour mission. We actually had General LeMay's nephew as part of our intel group - nice, low-key guy but that name "LeMay" on his fllight suit got your attention.

SAC HQ at Offutt AFB was obviously loaded with brass of various service branches, and their houses were near the main runway. Upon our return from late- night training missions around CONUS we were not permitted to do transitions or touch-and-goes because it would bother the generals and admirals trying to sleep, so we had to go over to the municipal airport at Lincoln NE to practice landings.

Still love the old SAC motto "Peace is Our Profession" with the satirical add-on of "War is Just a Hobby".
 
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RE: Fail-Safe Vs Dr.Strangelove

Wed Sep 27, 2006 5:36 pm

Quoting Baroque (Reply 8):
I have not seen the other film, and it sounds as if I should

The original (there was a remake a few years ago with George Clooney in it) has been on Pay TV in Australia a couple of times. If you have Pay TV just check the Movie guides to see when it is on again.
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RE: Fail-Safe Vs Dr.Strangelove

Wed Sep 27, 2006 9:49 pm

Quoting L-188 (Reply 12):
Trivia question:What was the city that was originally said?

The answer is Dallas. It was changed to Vegas with the recent assaination of President Kennedy. The extras on the DVD are great!

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RE: Fail-Safe Vs Dr.Strangelove

Wed Sep 27, 2006 10:52 pm

Slightly OT..but hey, that's me...Two films I'd recommend in the same vein as
"Strangelove" and "Failsafe"...."On The Beach" (depressing as hell, but very
thoughtful) and "The Bedford Incident" (set at sea)
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RE: Fail-Safe Vs Dr.Strangelove

Thu Sep 28, 2006 12:14 am

Quoting TSV (Reply 16):
The original (there was a remake a few years ago with George Clooney in it) has been on Pay TV in Australia a couple of times. If you have Pay TV just check the Movie guides to see when it is on again.

Thanks for the tip - but what is this Pay TV you write about? Just joking, but I regard it as one of my life achievements having bounced all the cold calls trying to enrol me in that. A trifling victory in this world, but I prize it!
 
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RE: Fail-Safe Vs Dr.Strangelove

Thu Sep 28, 2006 8:49 am

Quoting TSV (Reply 16):
The original (there was a remake a few years ago with George Clooney in it) has been on Pay TV in Australia a couple of times.

The Failsafe remake has also been on Free to Air TV in Australia at least once.

Anyone expecting a post coldwar re-interpretation of the story would be disappointed. It is an almost word for word, frame by frame recreation of the original. As it should be, any attempt to improve on the first version would be doomed to failure IMHO.

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RE: Fail-Safe Vs Dr.Strangelove

Thu Sep 28, 2006 10:29 am

Quoting F4wso (Reply 17):
The answer is Dallas. It was changed to Vegas with the recent assaination of President Kennedy. The extras on the DVD are great!

We have a winner.

It is interesting that they are comparing these two films, because Kubrick sued the studio making failsafe claiming they stole the script. It was BS intended to delay the opening of that film until after Strangelove opened.
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RE: Fail-Safe Vs Dr.Strangelove

Thu Sep 28, 2006 9:38 pm

Quoting Baroque (Reply 19):
Thanks for the tip - but what is this Pay TV you write about? Just joking, but I regard it as one of my life achievements having bounced all the cold calls trying to enrol me in that. A trifling victory in this world, but I prize it!

Yep so have we thus far and share in the prize. However seeing we have now just moved to the Big Smoke we may give in (to the voices of the kids - "Can we get it? Can we get it? Can we get it? etc) and give our hard earned money away to Foxtel or Austar so the prize will be yours alone.

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 20):
The Failsafe remake has also been on Free to Air TV in Australia at least once.

Bugger! Missed it!
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RE: Fail-Safe Vs Dr.Strangelove

Sat Sep 30, 2006 2:51 am

Quoting TSV (Reply 22):
Bugger! Missed it!

Ditto!
 
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RE: Fail-Safe Vs Dr.Strangelove

Sat Sep 30, 2006 10:40 am

And for those in the US who receive Turner Classic Movies, I see that Dr. Strangelove is scheduled for November 12 at 4:00PM (for those who really like to plan ahead).
 
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RE: Fail-Safe Vs Dr.Strangelove

Sun Oct 01, 2006 11:46 pm

Quoting AirSpare (Reply 10):
I honestly believe it was George C. Scott's best performance in any movie.

I think his best role was "Patton"

Quoting AirSpare (Reply 10):
"You can't fight in here! This is the War Room!"

One of the two all time best lines in movies. The other one was June Carter in the classic comidy "Airplane" saying "excuse me Stewardess, but I speak Jive".

Quoting RC135U (Reply 15):
Still love the old SAC motto "Peace is Our Profession" with the satirical add-on of "War is Just a Hobby".

I remember that during my "good old days" in SAC.

Quoting RC135U (Reply 24):
And for those in the US who receive Turner Classic Movies, I see that Dr. Strangelove is scheduled for November 12 at 4:00PM (for those who really like to plan ahead).

RC, you really need to get out more.
 
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RE: Fail-Safe Vs Dr.Strangelove

Mon Oct 02, 2006 1:56 am

When watching Sellars go into his wheelchair bound Dr Strangelove act, watch actor Peter Bull, playing the Soviet Ambassador, trying hard not to laugh.
God knows what the outtakes were like.

The battle scenes around the airbase-were some of them WW2 footage?
 
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RE: Fail-Safe Vs Dr.Strangelove

Mon Oct 02, 2006 3:35 am

Quoting GDB (Reply 26):
God knows what the outtakes were like

The movie was supposed to end in a giant Pie fight in the warroom, but they where only able to do one take due to set damage from the pies, and it was completely unusable because everybody was laughing.
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RE: Fail-Safe Vs Dr.Strangelove

Mon Oct 02, 2006 3:53 am

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 25):
RC, you really need to get out more.

Top, I'm out so much I rarely get to see these classic flicks...or I hear about 'em after-the-fact. Gotta plan ahead!

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RE: Fail-Safe Vs Dr.Strangelove

Mon Oct 02, 2006 4:07 am

Another trivia question although this is an easy one.

Who had roles in both Dr. Strangelove and By Dawn's Early Light?

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RE: Fail-Safe Vs Dr.Strangelove

Mon Oct 02, 2006 4:08 am

The 2004 film 'The Life And Death Of Peter Sellars', which got a lukewarm reception, despite Jeffery Wright's outstanding Performance as Sellars, had Sellars argue with Kubrick (Stantley Tucci) about taking on a fourth character in Dr Strangelove.

I liked the film, aside from Wright, Charlize Theron WAS a young Britt Ekland, John Lithgow was an eye popping Blake Edwards.
But the many stylistic tricks irritated some, I saw it as an attempt to cover ground quickly-such a complex man as a subject of a normal length film.
Such as his late 60's embracing of Pot, Cocaine and LSD. His disastrous two marriages in the 1970's.

Much of his ascent to success in the UK, during the late 50's/early 60's was skimmed over a bit too-thus avoiding tackling the issue of whether Sellars really did get to shag Princess Margaret.
 
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RE: Fail-Safe Vs Dr.Strangelove

Mon Oct 02, 2006 7:14 am

Quoting Dl757md (Reply 29):
Who had roles in both Dr. Strangelove and By Dawn's Early Light?

James Earl Jones
 
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RE: Fail-Safe Vs Dr.Strangelove

Mon Oct 02, 2006 11:15 am

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 25):
One of the two all time best lines in movies. The other one was June Carter in the classic comidy "Airplane" saying "excuse me Stewardess, but I speak Jive".

I can't let this pass without a correction. It was Barbara Billingsly from "Leave It To Beaver". She was the penultimate suburban television mom which made her role in "Airplane" that much more classic.

Perhaps after this thread has run it's course, we can switch to Catch 22.

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RE: Fail-Safe Vs Dr.Strangelove

Mon Oct 02, 2006 8:56 pm

One thing that got my thoughts when comparing the two movies, is that in Fail-safe is a computer malfunctioning to trigger the events leading to the tragic ending, hence indicating technology as the weak point of the system, while in Dr. Strangelove it's a general going nuts that starts all the mess leading to the tragic(comic) finale, here pointing out the human factor as the fatal weakness...
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RE: Fail-Safe Vs Dr.Strangelove

Tue Oct 03, 2006 5:49 am

Quoting CURLYHEADBOY (Reply 33):
is that in Fail-safe is a computer malfunctioning

This actually happened in the 80s, sorry I don't remember the year. A nuclear simulation that was run at CMC became "active" a few hours later. There was a DEFCON change and while the official press release said that yes, engines were started, no aircaft were launched.

My friends in Germany said bullshit to that, live tactical nukes went airborne.

Glad we live in a "safer" world now.  worried 
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