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C-17 On Google Sat Photo At Ashgabat Turkmenistan

Wed Sep 27, 2006 5:57 am

Google map coordinates. -37 59 09N, 58 21 02E- Paste into the "fly to" box in Google earth.
It's couriuos (to me) to see a C-17 catched in that remote country. Surely en route to or from Afghanistan. But I'ts only a technical stop (I don't think is for refuelling given the range of the Globemaster) or there is some kind of military counter terrorism US-Turkmenistan agreement. I have never heard before. With other ex ussr nations but not with this.
Very near to the Iran border...  Wink
Is there a way to know when those satellite photos have been taken.
Interesting, some kilometer west of the Ashgabat airport, the airbase at -38 00 42N, 58 11 40E- with SU-25 on the flightline and Mig-23/27, Mig-25 few if no one in airworty condition.
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RE: C-17 On Google Sat Photo At Ashgabat Turkmenistan

Wed Sep 27, 2006 6:07 am

Yes were operating in that area. No you don't need to know why. Sorry I can't say more.

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RE: C-17 On Google Sat Photo At Ashgabat Turkmenistan

Wed Sep 27, 2006 6:16 am

Quoting Checksixx (Reply 1):
Yes were operating in that area. No you don't need to know why. Sorry I can't say more

Sometimes, it’s just better not to say anything at all to avoid arousing curiosity.  Wink
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RE: C-17 On Google Sat Photo At Ashgabat Turkmenistan

Wed Sep 27, 2006 6:34 am

Quoting Checksixx (Reply 1):
Yes were operating in that area. No you don't need to know why. Sorry I can't say more.

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RE: C-17 On Google Sat Photo At Ashgabat Turkmenistan

Wed Sep 27, 2006 6:36 am

Quoting Checksixx (Reply 1):
Yes were operating in that area. No you don't need to know why. Sorry I can't say more.

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RE: C-17 On Google Sat Photo At Ashgabat Turkmenistan

Wed Sep 27, 2006 6:49 am

Quoting Ptrjong (Reply 4):
'I could tell you but I'd have to kill you.'

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RE: C-17 On Google Sat Photo At Ashgabat Turkmenistan

Thu Sep 28, 2006 1:19 am

OPSEC prevents further information Papoose. Didn't mean to sound so 007, just meant to be direct and to the point with you. Take care,

Check
 
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RE: C-17 On Google Sat Photo At Ashgabat Turkmenistan

Thu Sep 28, 2006 2:13 am

Quoting Checksixx (Reply 6):
OPSEC prevents further information Papoose. Didn't mean to sound so 007, just meant to be direct and to the point with you. Take care,

Hi Check.
You don't have to give me any explanation. I already did leave the topic.
It's clear: understatement. Anyway, from now, I will take into account your nick...

Papoose
 
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RE: C-17 On Google Sat Photo At Ashgabat Turkmenistan

Thu Sep 28, 2006 2:13 am

I suggest you all look at "KC-135 Catches Fire in Manas" posted at 17:52 today.
 
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RE: C-17 On Google Sat Photo At Ashgabat Turkmenistan

Fri Sep 29, 2006 10:44 am

Quoting Checksixx (Reply 6):
OPSEC prevents further information Papoose. Didn't mean to sound so 007, just meant to be direct and to the point with you. Take care,

Check

If elements of this information was classified maybe you shouldn't have mentioned it on an open internet forum at all...
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RE: C-17 On Google Sat Photo At Ashgabat Turkmenistan

Sat Sep 30, 2006 4:45 am

Quoting Qantas767 (Reply 9):
If elements of this information was classified maybe you shouldn't have mentioned it on an open internet forum at all...

Who said anything was classified?? Simply said I wouldn't detail any operations due to OPSEC. OPSEC means operational security and covers almost every aspect of anything to do with the military. Thats all.

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RE: C-17 On Google Sat Photo At Ashgabat Turkmenistan

Sat Sep 30, 2006 7:50 am

Quoting Checksixx (Reply 10):
Who said anything was classified?? Simply said I wouldn't detail any operations due to OPSEC. OPSEC means operational security and covers almost every aspect of anything to do with the military

Since the security would have to cover the most part of military operations, is likely that detailed info are impossible to know, at least difficult.
Specific USAF ops in Iraq are classified but we all know they are there.
So, if one did not want other people know that something happened somewhere, could have been better to keep a low profile, maybe saying that this is a quite normal event.
Often, to don't attract much attention is better stay visible than try hard to hide the truth.
 
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RE: C-17 On Google Sat Photo At Ashgabat Turkmenistan

Sun Oct 01, 2006 1:06 am

Okay...I give up...to many 'experts' here! As stated above...the Air Force fly's in and out of these countries. As to info on a specific mission, if you have to ask then you already should know the answer...You don't need to know. I'm sorry if my replies offend all the 007's on this board, but I really don't care. What I will say is that my knowledge of Air Force Operations and several projects is extensive and I've signed more than one non-disclosure form in my service to my country. For all the military members on the board, they know that the word 'classified' is a term to describe levels of security. Nothing more. As far as the original topic goes...A C-17 only does several missions. I'm sure you could guess what it was doing there.

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RE: C-17 On Google Sat Photo At Ashgabat Turkmenistan

Sun Oct 01, 2006 5:55 am

Well, a search on Google for "C-17" and "Turkmenistan" will turn up several references to operations there, most of which are from official US Government sources. No doubt some activities are secret - others plainly are not.
 
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RE: C-17 On Google Sat Photo At Ashgabat Turkmenistan

Sun Oct 01, 2006 6:33 am

Quoting Checksixx (Reply 12):
Okay...I give up...to many 'experts' here! As stated above...the Air Force fly's in and out of these countries.

Even the post I referred to "KC-135 Catches Fire in Manas" states that the KC was returning to base. It is no big secret that the US in Turkmenistan. However, if i was told not to tell where I was based I would not tell.
 
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RE: C-17 On Google Sat Photo At Ashgabat Turkmenistan

Sun Oct 01, 2006 7:15 pm

Quoting Checksixx (Reply 12):
Okay...I give up...to many 'experts' here! As stated above...the Air Force fly's in and out of these countries. As to info on a specific mission, if you have to ask then you already should know the answer...You don't need to know. I'm sorry if my replies offend all the 007's on this board, but I really don't care. What I will say is that my knowledge of Air Force Operations and several projects is extensive and I've signed more than one non-disclosure form in my service to my country. For all the military members on the board, they know that the word 'classified' is a term to describe levels of security. Nothing more. As far as the original topic goes...A C-17 only does several missions. I'm sure you could guess what it was doing there.

I'm not an expert of military ops or want to go around to discover goodness know what. I think nothing here won't disclose or put in danger the security of your country. I only feel myself to say that if somebody "have signed more than one non disclosure form for his country" nobody asked him in particular to reveal anything of any level of security. This is an open discussion place with "experts" and non expert. The non experts may always have something to learn from experts... James bonds attend another forum... I think.
As You said C-17 does several mission, who can say of what kind are them... For myself anything is going on there goes well. I'm a supporter...
 
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RE: C-17 On Google Sat Photo At Ashgabat Turkmenistan

Mon Oct 02, 2006 12:50 am

Quoting Checksixx (Reply 6):
OPSEC prevents further information Papoose. Didn't mean to sound so 007, just meant to be direct and to the point with you. Take care,

Check

Sorry to join the party late, but:

If security is such a concern, why is the C-17 using a mixed used (civil + military) airfield, where anyone happening to be there can see it -- notwithstanding the far overhead photo -- ? Would it not be better to use a more remote strictly military airfield, of which I'm sure from the former USSR days, there isn't a shortage.

Quoting Checksixx (Reply 10):
Who said anything was classified?? Simply said I wouldn't detail any operations due to OPSEC. OPSEC means operational security and covers almost every aspect of anything to do with the military. Thats all.

-Check

By that definition, anything the military does can be covered up (due to OPSEC) -- notwithstanding any detrimental effect it may have to the public at large.
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RE: C-17 On Google Sat Photo At Ashgabat Turkmenistan

Mon Oct 02, 2006 1:17 pm

Quoting Checksixx (Reply 12):
Okay...I give up...to many 'experts' here! As stated above...the Air Force fly's in and out of these countries. As to info on a specific mission, if you have to ask then you already should know the answer...You don't need to know. I'm sorry if my replies offend all the 007's on this board, but I really don't care. What I will say is that my knowledge of Air Force Operations and several projects is extensive and I've signed more than one non-disclosure form in my service to my country. For all the military members on the board, they know that the word 'classified' is a term to describe levels of security. Nothing more. As far as the original topic goes...A C-17 only does several missions. I'm sure you could guess what it was doing there.

-Check

I have been a military officer for the past 5 years, during that time I have taken part in a fair amount of information security training. During that training the Army was pretty clear that ANY reference to classified material to people who didn't require the information was a no no. (Hence the term NEED TO KNOW). Do a test: 'If my CO/OC saw what I was posting on the internet would he be happy with the content?' I can assure you that if this information is correct, and is in fact OPSEC, you superior would be less than impressed. If I caught one of my soldiers conducting himself on a forum like this he would be in my office so fast his feet would not touch the ground.

Why even say that you are unable to discuss it, other than to make yourself look important? Your posts indicate to everone that reads this forum that there is something occuring in that location that is of a sensitive enough nature that the US Military wants to ensure that the population at large doesn't know about it. On its own, the reference to this fact may be nothing, however what happens if 'the enemy' begin to investigate the claims you have made on this forum by establishing an observation point on that airfield, suddenly this infomation is no longer OPSEC.

Quoting Checksixx (Reply 12):
What I will say is that my knowledge of Air Force Operations and several projects is extensive and I've signed more than one non-disclosure form in my service to my country.

I was also told not to 'big note' my security clearence level in public, as it identifies ones self as a 'person of interest' to information gatherers. Perhaps keeping your information to yourself, like your 'non-disclosure forms' tell you to is a better idea.
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RE: C-17 On Google Sat Photo At Ashgabat Turkmenistan

Tue Oct 03, 2006 1:27 am

I answered the guys question and still get replies like the one above. I also never said anything about my security clearance level (by the way, that is how you spell clearance). I don't care a thing about making myself look important. Bottom line are there C-17's and other Air Force aircraft operating out there? Sure! Does anyone on this board, myself included, need to know what mission they're doing out there? Nope! If this upsets you and apparently several board members are deeply hurt by this, I'm really sorry. If you think I'm trying to boost my ego, your wrong. If you feel I'm stepping on your ego, your wrong. Qantas767...not sure why you would pull someone in your office for officially not disclosing a thing, but then again here in the US many officers overstep their bounds.

-Check

I can't wait to see all the replies! I guarantee someone here will just not let it go.
 
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RE: C-17 On Google Sat Photo At Ashgabat Turkmenistan

Tue Oct 03, 2006 6:46 am

I have said my bit, no use dwelling on things.

By the way I would not be required to have any of my soldiers in my office, as even my most junior soldier knows better than to bring up OPSEC issues on the internet.

That is all Im going to say, no use dwelling on it.
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RE: C-17 On Google Sat Photo At Ashgabat Turkmenistan

Tue Oct 03, 2006 8:13 am

Quoting Checksixx (Reply 18):
clearance level (by the way, that is how you spell clearance).

Oh my....if you're going to correct other people's spelling, please get your syntax and grammar correct:

Quoting Checksixx (Reply 12):
As stated above...the Air Force fly's in and out of these countries

It's "flies' young man, not "fly's".

I have no problem with those wearing uniforms declining to discuss whatever the reason may or may not be as to why a C-17A was at Ashgabat at some point in the past. If info (perhaps I should call it intel?) comes my way regarding same, I will feel free to post, or not, as I feel.

I too will not 'big note' my security clearance level. OPSEC, you know.

It's possible, by the way, that the C-17 mission is described here:
http://www.mcchordairmuseum.org/REV%...OUR%20HISTORY%20%20C-17%200168.htm
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RE: C-17 On Google Sat Photo At Ashgabat Turkmenistan

Fri Oct 06, 2006 2:08 am

Whatever Connies4ever...or should I call you boy since you refer to me as 'young man'? You have no idea who I am so don't assume. I also never posted my security clearance level so your comment has no relevance to me. Nothing I posted damaged our OPSEC in ANY way so the continued bashing of me is unwarranted. I answered his question straight and to the point and now it seems everyone is trolling here to bash me. Stop it. Thank you.

Quantas767...again, I never posted anything that would damage our OPSEC in ANY way. As an aside, our junior officers are much worse than junior enlisted when it comes to OPSEC breaches. Probably has something to do with the types of people they are letting in the military these days. Matter of fact, my previous commander lost his command of our unit for OPSEC breaches and overstepping his authority. There are many good officers and enlisted folks too, but you know what they say about one bad apple.

-Check
 
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RE: C-17 On Google Sat Photo At Ashgabat Turkmenistan

Fri Oct 06, 2006 7:20 am

Quoting JakeOrion (Reply 2):
Quoting Checksixx (Reply 1):
Yes were operating in that area. No you don't need to know why. Sorry I can't say more

Sometimes, it’s just better not to say anything at all to avoid arousing curiosity. Wink

Excellent post, JakeOrion, excellent. Nod and wink.

Check .. you're irritated. Oh, so sad. But, your profile indicates you are between 26 and 35. That makes me old enough to be your father...."Young man" (or lady) I use frequently with new hires and/or students. Gets their attention. Got yours, didn't it ?

As to why USAF is operating anywhere in the world (or CAF for that matter), it _is_ the public's business since civilians are supposed to be in control of the military and be informed about what actions are being done in their name(s). As a 'swivilian', I take great pleasure in revealing interesting factoids like these ones, however minor their importance may be. As the NBC slogan says, "the more you know".

As for me, you can get a taste of what I do at http://www.cathena.aecl.ca ,
some of the site is open to the public.

But let's get back to Military Aviation & Space.
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RE: C-17 On Google Sat Photo At Ashgabat Turkmenistan

Fri Oct 06, 2006 10:48 pm

I'm irritated because of idiots that draw the discussion away from the topic which has happened here for no reason. Civilians have no need to know what specific missions are going on. That itself would violate OPSEC. Civilians most certainly are not supposed to govern the military. They are to govern the law makers and those appointed over the military...ie...the President, SECDEF, Congress...the list goes on. This is a fact.

This thread should be closed and deleted. The answer was given several times and acknowledged by the thread starter. Everone else here has drawn the discussion away for what seems to be personal reasons. I say let it roll off and move on if your offended.

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RE: C-17 On Google Sat Photo At Ashgabat Turkmenistan

Sat Oct 07, 2006 6:35 am

Quoting Checksixx (Reply 23):
I'm irritated because of idiots that draw the discussion away from the topic which has happened here for no reason. Civilians have no need to know what specific missions are going on. That itself would violate OPSEC. Civilians most certainly are not supposed to govern the military. They are to govern the law makers and those appointed over the military...ie...the President, SECDEF, Congress...the list goes on. This is a fact.

This thread should be closed and deleted. The answer was given several times and acknowledged by the thread starter. Everone else here has drawn the discussion away for what seems to be personal reasons. I say let it roll off and move on if your offended.

I'm neither offended nor irritated, as you seem to be.
I have a suggestion: let's move it to Non-Av.....I'll even start a
thread there for you.
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RE: C-17 On Google Sat Photo At Ashgabat Turkmenistan

Sat Oct 07, 2006 11:58 pm

You must not have understood my post...it was the end of the conversation. Trolls like yourself often cannot understand that, so I understand why.

Have a nice day.

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RE: C-17 On Google Sat Photo At Ashgabat Turkmenistan

Mon Oct 09, 2006 9:32 pm

Quoting Checksixx (Reply 25):
You must not have understood my post...it was the end of the conversation. Trolls like yourself often cannot understand that, so I understand why.

Have a nice day.

Check

I believe I did understand your post, Check.
And I didn't resort to labelling posters as either "idiots" or "trolls".
The IMs I've received do not flatter you, BTW.
Especially from those purportedly in the military.

Go to Non Av and Check "Do (Or Should) Civilians Control the Military?".

Have a great day yourself. Thanksgiving up here in the GWN, you know.
Will be chowing down big time on turkey & trimmings.
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RE: C-17 On Google Sat Photo At Ashgabat Turkmenistan

Tue Oct 10, 2006 6:02 am

Only sent you one IM and it reads...

"checksixx 2006-10-07 17:23:12
I went ahead and reported you to the
moderator's. You can deal directly
with them.

Check"

As for your other post...it's also been reported. I'm not going to fight with a Troll and if you don't like the name, stop acting like one. Again, contact the mod's if you have a personal issue with me or my posts. I have not sent you any other IM's. If you think I have, then please report me to the mods. Thanks and have a nice day.

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RE: C-17 On Google Sat Photo At Ashgabat Turkmenistan

Wed Oct 11, 2006 6:31 am

accident, sorry  Wink





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