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Old Jet RAF Aeroplanes Question

Wed Oct 11, 2006 7:17 am

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While watching my DVD's of the greatest comedian of all time ever bar none Tony Hancock. in the episode ''There are airfields at the bottom of my garden'' in which, there is an airfield at the bottom of his garden  Wink footage of 1950's ish jet aircraft are shown, alot i know of, saber, canberra meteor and so on. 2 stand out as being fantastically odd, and Ive never seen them before. so i would like to know their names and a little more about them, thank you  Smile

i am afraid i could only photograph my TV screen, plus the fact the tv show is 50 years old, excuse the quality.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v504/Gary2880/IMG_4276.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v504/Gary2880/IMG_4280.jpg

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RE: Old Jet RAF Aeroplanes Question

Wed Oct 11, 2006 7:54 am

Gary,

First one is an Avro Ashton, a Tudor rebuilt as a jet engine testbed.

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RE: Old Jet RAF Aeroplanes Question

Wed Oct 11, 2006 8:14 am

Ah, and the second one is the Short Sperrin bomber (as it says on the tin). Primitive backup design for the V-bombers.

Ashton:

Yours has an extra jet underslung.

Sperrin:


Don't know anything about them really, but you can now google them.

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RE: Old Jet RAF Aeroplanes Question

Wed Oct 11, 2006 8:16 am

Quoting Ptrjong (Reply 1):
First one is an Avro Ashton, a Tudor rebuilt as a jet engine testbed.

And a very rare aircraft, nice call!

The second is the Short Sperrin which I understand was designed and built as an 'insurance policy' against the more advanced Vickers Valiant not being up to specification. In the end the Valiant was perhaps better than intended which meant that the Sperrin never went into production and the H.P. Victor and Avro Vulcan both had the luxury of more development time. The Sperrin was powered by four R.R. Avon engines and was considered quite a success, it was just that she was eclipsed by the Valiant by quite some margin very swiftly.

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RE: Old Jet RAF Aeroplanes Question

Wed Oct 11, 2006 8:11 pm

Thanks for all the info  Smile

Cool looking aircraft indeed, the 2nd one looks like a beast thats for sure. And the cockpit windows look so annoyingly small, amazed they could see a thing.

The rectangular engines is what caught my eye.
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RE: Old Jet RAF Aeroplanes Question

Thu Oct 12, 2006 8:11 am

The engine layouts are rather interesting. The two R.R. Avons stacked one above the other on the Sperrin was largely replicated in the slightly later E.E. Lightning although I think one of the Lightning's jet engines is stepped slightly forward of the other. The arrangement on the Ashton looks much more modern though in reality it is unusual to have two engines next to each other in the same 'pod', perhaps the Comet with two buried in each wing and Concorde might be exceptions to this. Was there not a Russian airliner with twin engines in each wing or am I thinking of the Myasischev M-4 (Bison)?

Other interesting engine arrangements that come to mind include the Martin XB-48 which had three jets podded together on each wing, the XB-70 Valkyrie with an incredible six jets in a line in the rear fuselage, and the French SNCASO Trident whose jets were podded on the wing tips.

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RE: Old Jet RAF Aeroplanes Question

Tue Oct 17, 2006 9:38 am

Quoting Ghostbase (Reply 5):
The engine layouts are rather interesting. The two R.R. Avons stacked one above the other on the Sperrin was largely replicated in the slightly later E.E. Lightning although I think one of the Lightning's jet engines is stepped slightly forward of the other. The arrangement on the Ashton looks much more modern though in reality it is unusual to have two engines next to each other in the same 'pod', perhaps the Comet with two buried in each wing and Concorde might be exceptions to this. Was there not a Russian airliner with twin engines in each wing or am I thinking of the Myasischev M-4 (Bison)?

Perhaps thinking of the East German Baade Bb. 152 ? Shoulder-winged 4-engined airliner with dual engine pods under each wing.

Wikipedia link here: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/BB-152
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RE: Old Jet RAF Aeroplanes Question

Wed Oct 18, 2006 12:30 am

Quoting Connies4ever (Reply 7):
Perhaps thinking of the East German Baade Bb. 152 ? Shoulder-winged 4-engined airliner with dual engine pods under each wing.

Thanks for the link. Never seen that one before, that is a solid looking aircraft!

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