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Air Force One Replacement?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 3:06 pm

As you all know, Air Force One has been a 747-200 for quite some time. Does anyone think its time for an upgrade? Should Bush upgrade to a 744, 777LR, or possibly a 787? Maybe he'll go eco friendly and get a BBJ (I doubt it though). Maybe an Airbus, to improve his standing with the French? I'd love to see him in a "pansy" French A380. Your thoughts?

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RE: Air Force One Replacement?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 3:08 pm

744 is what i think he should fly in.
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RE: Air Force One Replacement?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 3:12 pm

Wouldn't surprise me to see a 748. The current AF1 planes will be 21 years old by then (as AF1). Especially if the USAF is buying some for ABL aircraft anyway. Could be a package deal.
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RE: Air Force One Replacement?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 3:17 pm

New aircraft aren't needed and should only be ordered once spending has gone to everyting that is needed, so basically once the U.S. is in top 5 worldwide in education agian then maybe consider it.
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RE: Air Force One Replacement?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 3:18 pm

I could see the government maybe getting a 744. The issue is getting it retro-fitted to be a better "Flying White House" than the current AF1.

Quoting TUSaadvantage (Thread starter):
Maybe an Airbus, to improve his standing with the French? I'd love to see him in a "pansy" French A380. Your thoughts?

I love Airbus more than the next guy, but to indulge the thought that the American President will fly in a foreign assembled aircraft is laughable.
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RE: Air Force One Replacement?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 3:23 pm

Quoting SkyvanMan (Reply 3):
once the U.S. is in top 5 worldwide in education agian then maybe consider it.

By the time that happens, if ever, AF1 will be a rust bucket. The government need not pay for the replacement. Bush can demand it for free. He is the president after all.  Wink
 
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RE: Air Force One Replacement?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 3:28 pm

The current AF1 came on line in 1988/89 time period. Based on the number of flight hours and cycles it still has a long life span left, and parts are still available.. the previous AF1 lasted nearly 26 years, so lets not spend $400 million non new planes (have to purchase at least two) just yet.
 
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RE: Air Force One Replacement?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 3:30 pm

Quoting TUSaadvantage (Thread starter):
Maybe he'll go eco friendly

Ahhh....don't hold your breath for that to happen...remember Kyoto Protocol?

Quoting TUSaadvantage (Thread starter):
Maybe an Airbus, to improve his standing with the French?

Only way this will happen now is when he leaves Washington in Jan. 2009.

Any AF1 replacement won't occur until after W leaves office...Bill-ary may get to fly in the new plane, or maybe John McCain.

I would guess 744 or 748 as well.
 
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RE: Air Force One Replacement?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 4:09 pm

First of all the VC 25A will stay around for a while. Remember who long the VC 137s (707s) were used ?
I would rule out the 747-400 since it won´t be in production anymore when it comes to a replacement.
Leaving only the 777 and the 747-8 as an option. Both airplanes are a realistic option and I guess it depends on how the priorities are. Does the US goverment want to give a signal and buy the little smaller more economic plane or will they go for prestige with a bigger 747.
I could very well imagine a VC777LR as "Air Force 1". Technology is getting smaller so they could get everything that they fitted in a 747-200 in a 777 now.
The 777LR would have the range to reach every possible destination nonstop.
Fuel consumption would be lower a good argument for the tax payers.
It would be cheaper to get if the AF decides for the KC777 as well.
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RE: Air Force One Replacement?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 4:33 pm

Chances are that it'll be quite some time (if ever) before the POTUS flies civil; and the current VC-25 is a military aircraft...

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RE: Air Force One Replacement?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 4:49 pm

Quoting SkyvanMan (Reply 3):
New aircraft aren't needed and should only be ordered once spending has gone to everyting that is needed, so basically once the U.S. is in top 5 worldwide in education agian then maybe consider it.

Whatever.

While the Federal Government does provide money for education, it is actually the responsibility of the STATES to provide funding. Money for presidential transport is frankly much more constitutional than federal spending on education. It may not be PC to say that, but it's reality.

And Bush aint gonna get to fly it, so it would be a matter of legacy, not of "I want to fly a new jet."

Quoting AirCop (Reply 6):
the previous AF1 lasted nearly 26 years

That isn't true, at least as AF1.

SAM 26000, the Kennedy's AF1 was from 1962. But SAM 27000, added in 1974, became the primary aircraft as AF1, with SAM 26000 relegated to backup duty. Thus, SAM 26000 was the primary AF1 for only 12-13 years, SAM 27000 was the primary AF1 for 16-17 years.

The first 742 arrived in 1990, and took over primary AF1 duties. SAM 28000 was the tail number. SAM 27000 replaced SAM 26000 as AF2 until the 757s came online. But SAM 27000 wasn't scrapped, so if you mean that it lasted 26 years (1972-1998) then that is true to the extent it served as a white house aircraft, but not as AF1.

29000 entered service in 1991, and it and 28000 have been interchangeable since. But both will have served LONGER as AF1 than either of the 707s by the time a 748i can be built and modified as a replacement (2012?). 21-22 years is a pretty long time, really. Technology has progressed quite a bit since then, and retrofitting the current 747s would be quite expensive.

Neither would act as AF2 in normal situations, though I would imagine there would be instances where one of the 742s would be designated AF2. But I doubt both 28000 and 29000 would be kept in presidential trim. The Air Force would convert one to other uses.

Quoting Columba (Reply 8):
Does the US goverment want to give a signal and buy the little smaller more economic plane or will they go for prestige with a bigger 747.

It's got nothing to do with that. 4 engines.
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RE: Air Force One Replacement?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 5:01 pm

Quoting SkyvanMan (Reply 3):
once the U.S. is in top 5 worldwide in education agian then maybe consider it.

AF1 can quickly become an airborne command center in time of war, just as on 9/11. There is a need for such an aircraft.
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RE: Air Force One Replacement?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 5:20 pm

I don't think anyone will be in a big hurry to replace them. Such aircraft are 1 of a kind (or rather 2) and very expensive to build/modify. And there really isn't much need yet. the VC-25A, while originally based on a 742, has a lot of modifications and modernisations, including modern engines I believe, and is kept rather up-to-date. Moreover, while old in years, in cycles, which is what really counts, it still has lots of years of active service left..

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RE: Air Force One Replacement?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 5:29 pm

The VC-25 has the best maintenance program that can be had. When was the last time you saw one divert for mechanical reasons? Those airplanes are kept in exquisite shape. They probably clean them after every trip to keep the silver exhaust cones gleaming. With the way they are kept, they will probably last as long or longer than B-52's or NW DC-9's.  duck 
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RE: Air Force One Replacement?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 6:25 pm

Does anyone know how much does it cost (roughly) to replace Air Force One?
 
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RE: Air Force One Replacement?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 6:36 pm

Quoting SkyvanMan (Reply 3):
is in top 5 worldwide in education agian

You take the lead . . . .

. . . . .

The VC-25s currently serving as Air Force One are relatively young in terms of cycles.

Furthermore, the cost to replace them will be enormous. Additionally, the time to build them will be lengthy. These 747-200 based aircraft currently in service were ordered during the Reagan administration when the 747-200 was still in production. By the time they were delivered, Boeing was already building a 747-400.

If USAF replaces the VC-25s, they will surely secure replacements with 747-8s.


Edit:

Quoting Elite (Reply 14):
Does anyone know how much does it cost (roughly) to replace Air Force One?

Wikipedia reports that the current VC-25s were $325 million, each. Account for inflation, etc, I'd make the bet a replacement will run $500 million, each.

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RE: Air Force One Replacement?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 6:38 pm

Could your question possibly be more general in nature?
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RE: Air Force One Replacement?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 6:43 pm

Why would they switch to the 744 and not the 748 (if they switch at all?)

Quoting Wukka (Reply 9):
Chances are that it'll be quite some time (if ever) before the POTUS flies civil; and the current VC-25 is a military aircraft...

Why is this thread in CivAv?

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RE: Air Force One Replacement?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 8:30 pm

Quoting Columba (Reply 8):
The 777LR would have the range to reach every possible destination nonstop.
Fuel consumption would be lower a good argument for the tax payers.

I belive they need to buy a 4 engine plane for the long over water trips.
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RE: Air Force One Replacement?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 8:38 pm

Quoting Columba (Reply 8):
The 777LR would have the range to reach every possible destination nonstop.

Does this matter? They can refuel the current VC10 mid-air anyways.... or can they???
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RE: Air Force One Replacement?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 8:44 pm

Quoting TUSaadvantage (Thread starter):
Your thoughts?

Maybe a search...? This question comes up all the time. The basics,, It's still very new, it low hours and very well maintenained. You will not see a new Air Force One for about 20 more years
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RE: Air Force One Replacement?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 9:45 pm

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 18):
I belive they need to buy a 4 engine plane for the long over water trips.

ETOPs negates this requirement. If it is true to the way the government orders such equipment, it will likely be a specially designed 777-300LR. the stretch of a 773ER with the range of a 772LR.
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RE: Air Force One Replacement?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 9:53 pm

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 21):
it will likely be a specially designed 777-300LR

Unnecessary as it will have in flight refuel capability, what ever airframe it is.
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RE: Air Force One Replacement?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 10:01 pm

Quoting BigJimFX (Reply 4):
I love Airbus more than the next guy, but to indulge the thought that the American President will fly in a foreign assembled aircraft is laughable.
It would shake the American people to the core

Well they have selected the Merlin EH101 over that S92 for the Marine Presidential helicopter flight.

Granted, it will be made my MD (I think) but it is still a European aircraft.
 
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RE: Air Force One Replacement?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 10:06 pm

Quoting N174UA (Reply 7):
Any AF1 replacement won't occur until after W leaves office...Bill-ary may get to fly in the new plane, or maybe John McCain.

The 742s were ordered during the Reagan administration and came into service during the Bush (I) administration. Even if the plane were ordered today, it is unlikely it would be built prior to the 2012 election.

Quoting IMatAMS (Reply 12):
I don't think anyone will be in a big hurry to replace them. Such aircraft are 1 of a kind (or rather 2) and very expensive

Actually, there are more than that. Two aircraft are regularly used as AF1, but there are other planes built to similar spec which serve as the flying command center.

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 21):
ETOPs negates this requirement.

ETOPS does not apply to military aircraft.

As for the 777 versus 747 issue, I think it is likely that a new 747 would be ordered because of its distinctive profile. Even though the 777 really represents the current pinnacle of American aviation engineering, the 747 is still more recognizable.

Right now, even though the appropriation would be relatively small in US Government terms, it is unlikely that ordering new aircraft would get through the Senate. It is just too visable of a transaction, and the Democrats as well as the fiscal conservatives would make political hay out of further increasing the deficit just to "improve" Air Force 1.

Remember, that the 707s were not only falling apart, but way too small when they were replaced. There is no current size need to replace the 742s with a bigger plane.
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RE: Air Force One Replacement?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 10:10 pm

Quoting TUSaadvantage (Reply 5):
Bush can demand it for free. He is the president after all. Wink

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RE: Air Force One Replacement?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 10:25 pm

Quoting BDL2DCA (Reply 24):
As for the 777 versus 747 issue, I think it is likely that a new 747 would be ordered because of its distinctive profile. Even though the 777 really represents the current pinnacle of American aviation engineering, the 747 is still more recognizable

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Quoting BDL2DCA (Reply 24):
Bill-ary may get to fly in the new plane

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Surely for the sake of presidential security - 4 engines would be better than 2 - right?
 
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RE: Air Force One Replacement?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 10:27 pm

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 21):
ETOPs negates this requirement. If it is true to the way the government orders such equipment, it will likely be a specially designed 777-300LR. the stretch of a 773ER with the range of a 772LR.



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Totally agreed! First of all, Just because the VC-25 can refuel in mid-air, it has never been done with a president on board (that we know of) as it is a somewhat risky operation with the POTUS on board. I also don't think the 772 fuselage is quite big enough for all the comm equipment, quarters, board room, offices, press and staff seating, etc. I think it would likely be a 773ER with increased fuel capacity. It would also not be too difficult to increase the range, as the aircraft in VIP config weighs significantly less. I realize the president carries quite a bit of accoutrments with him, but it is quite a bit less than ~350 passengers and all their baggage and cargo. While I personally think it would probably be a 748, or a Y3, I think a 773LR would be perfect and has potential also.
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RE: Air Force One Replacement?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 10:28 pm

Quoting Gh123 (Reply 26):
Quoting BDL2DCA (Reply 24):
Bill-ary may get to fly in the new plane



Quoting BDL2DCA (Reply 24):
Quoting N174UA (Reply 7):

That quote was actually me quoting N174UA...

Quoting Gh123 (Reply 26):
Surely for the sake of presidential security - 4 engines would be better than 2 - right?

Not sure. It seems to me that there aren't many cases where you wouldn't either get catastrophic failure (all engines) or where an entire wing would get taken out (1 or 2 engines). We do not see too many single-engine failures where the remaining engine isn't enough to get the plane down on the ground safely.
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RE: Air Force One Replacement?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 10:36 pm

Quoting BDL2DCA (Reply 28):
Quoting Gh123 (Reply 26):
Surely for the sake of presidential security - 4 engines would be better than 2 - right?

Not sure. It seems to me that there aren't many cases where you wouldn't either get catastrophic failure (all engines) or where an entire wing would get taken out (1 or 2 engines). We do not see too many single-engine failures where the remaining engine isn't enough to get the plane down on the ground safely.

Sure but average Joe public would feel more comfortable about there being 4 engines rather than two?!

You can just imagine, on the day that they announce the new replacements - those idiots at CNN and FOX going on about how or why the President shouldn't fly in a two engined bird rather than a 4 engined one.

I agree with that you say but I say 4 to shut them all up - better not to give them an excuse to rant on, and on about nothing as they all do.
 
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RE: Air Force One Replacement?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 10:39 pm

I would normally say there is no way they replace AF1 now, but keep in mind that Boeing owes fines to the feds for an amount somewhat equal to two 747-8's.  Smile
 
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RE: Air Force One Replacement?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 10:49 pm

Quoting BDL2DCA (Reply 28):
We do not see too many single-engine failures where the remaining engine isn't enough to get the plane down on the ground safely.

True. But, considering that the president may be in a position where coming down is not a desirable option, I think the ability to lose an engine but still be able to continue to your destination would be preferable. With a twin, you'd have to think about getting down after one fails. With a quad, you can lose two engines before you need to get the plane on the ground.

I know that the AF1 planes get better treatment than any other plane in the sky, but the best maintenance in the world can't stop a seagull from blowing an engine out on takeoff or something like that.

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RE: Air Force One Replacement?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 10:50 pm

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 18):
I belive they need to buy a 4 engine plane for the long over water trips.



Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 21):

ETOPs negates this requirement. If it is true to the way the government orders such equipment, it will likely be a specially designed 777-300LR. the stretch of a 773ER with the range of a 772LR.

I would say they prefer to use a 4-engined a/c rather than 2-engines. Can't imagine (even with engines being high technology) to have the American President hanging on one engine over the Pacific. It's safe for Passenger planes but not for him....keep in mind what they do prior his visits to cities all over the world and what they do for the average people.

There are many topics here around about the replacement for AF1....maybe Airbus Big grin  Wink

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RE: Air Force One Replacement?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 10:51 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 31):
True. But, considering that the president may be in a position where coming down is not a desirable option, I think the ability to lose an engine but still be able to continue to your destination would be preferable.

That's not something I thought of. Very good point. Not to mention just flying around in giant loops over North America during an "emergency."
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RE: Air Force One Replacement?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 11:16 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 10):
While the Federal Government does provide money for education, it is actually the responsibility of the STATES to provide funding. Money for presidential transport is frankly much more constitutional than federal spending on education. It may not be PC to say that, but it's reality.

And Bush aint gonna get to fly it, so it would be a matter of legacy, not of "I want to fly a new jet."

Very well said

Quoting IMatAMS (Reply 12):
I don't think anyone will be in a big hurry to replace them. Such aircraft are 1 of a kind (or rather 2) and very expensive to build/modify. And there really isn't much need yet. the VC-25A, while originally based on a 742, has a lot of modifications and modernisations, including modern engines I believe, and is kept rather up-to-date. Moreover, while old in years, in cycles, which is what really counts, it still has lots of years of active service left..



Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 13):
The VC-25 has the best maintenance program that can be had.

TLC is more like it. The pride of those MX people is unrivaled. There probably isn't one square inch of that plane that you could not eat off of and not one part that is even slightly worn.

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 17):
Why would they switch to the 744 and not the 748 (if they switch at all?)

The current planes are really a hybrid, 742/744.

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 19):
Does this matter? They can refuel the current VC10 mid-air anyways.... or can they???



Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 22):
Unnecessary as it will have in flight refuel capability, what ever airframe it is.

They do not refuel AF1 with the President on board unless it is a military emergency. The operation is considered risky and unnecessary unless there is no other option. They do conduct refueling exercises to maintain capability, but never with the Pres on board AFAIK.
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RE: Air Force One Replacement?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 11:41 pm

While I'm sure Airbus would give the US Govt a good deal on an A380, do you think they could handle the special wiring required for this aircraft?
 
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RE: Air Force One Replacement?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 11:54 pm

Quoting Rbgso (Reply 35):
While I'm sure Airbus would give the US Govt a good deal on an A380, do you think they could handle the special wiring required for this aircraft?

They could sell it without wiring and let Boeing install it, just to make sure  Smile I, too, used to be a die hard Airbus fan, until Airbus died a few months ago. Hello Boeing!
 
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RE: Air Force One Replacement?

Mon Oct 16, 2006 11:59 pm

Quoting Findigenous (Reply 36):
I, too, used to be a die hard Airbus fan, until Airbus died a few months ago. Hello Boeing!

Ahh, a real and true Airbus Fan  Wink

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Mon Oct 16, 2006 11:59 pm

Quoting Findigenous (Reply 36):
I, too, used to be a die hard Airbus fan, until Airbus died a few months ago. Hello Boeing!

Ahh, a real and true Boeing Fan  Wink

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RE: Air Force One Replacement?

Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:02 am

Sorry TUS...

"'d love to see him in a "pansy" French A380".... A380 is really not 100% french  Wink you forgot Airbus UK, Airbus Germany, Airbus Spain, Furnishers for landing gears-canada, spoilers from Finland and....

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RE: Air Force One Replacement?

Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:04 am

Quoting Wukka (Reply 9):
Why is this thread in CivAv?

Because the aircraft is a converted 747-200.  Wink

Quoting BDL2DCA (Reply 24):
As for the 777 versus 747 issue, I think it is likely that a new 747 would be ordered because of its distinctive profile. Even though the 777 really represents the current pinnacle of American aviation engineering, the 747 is still more recognizable.

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RE: Air Force One Replacement?

Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:14 am

There is no need to replace the VC-25s. Remember, they are really custom built B-747-200Bs, using mostly the framing, landing gear, and wings from the (then in production) B-747-300, and the upgraded engines from the B-747-400. These AF1s will be around for a long time, long after the Billery Administration is gone.

I suspect the even the B-747-800I will be out of production before any new AF1 is ordered.
 
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RE: Air Force One Replacement?

Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:54 am

I actually have the inside scoop on this one, as far as how many engines. I had an f/o I flew with that was assigned to AF1. There is an unspoken regulation that the Prez may only fly on a plane with 4 engines. Makes sense when you think about it. Redundancy.
 
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RE: Air Force One Replacement?

Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:57 am

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 19):
Does this matter? They can refuel the current VC10 mid-air anyways.... or can they???



Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 22):

Unnecessary as it will have in flight refuel capability, what ever airframe it is.

There are couple of problems with this. First of all, in flight refueling needs to be available on the route. Secondly, it's expensive. Thirdly, VC-25 pilots don't like risking the paint on the nose. Which is why they practice in-flight refueling on the E-4 instead.


The VC-25s are only "sorta" 742. They have newer engines with FADEC and the 744 flight deck and avionics (or at least some part of it). So the VC-25 is actually a 742/744 hybrid. Note that I may have made a has of that.

Still, the aircraft are very new in cycles and maintained with an anal retentiveness that ensures a very long service life if necessary.
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RE: Air Force One Replacement?

Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:59 am

Quoting AirTran717 (Reply 42):
actually have the inside scoop on this one, as far as how many engines. I had an f/o I flew with that was assigned to AF1. There is an unspoken regulation that the Prez may only fly on a plane with 4 engines. Makes sense when you think about it. Redundancy.

Is that so?

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RE: Air Force One Replacement?

Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:59 am

NW is still flying DC9's with way more flight hours on them then either of the current AF1's explain why we need to replace a perfectly good aircraft and just who is going to pick up this unnecessary expense?
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RE: Air Force One Replacement?

Tue Oct 17, 2006 1:02 am

N328KF, cute. That's not what I meant and you know it. I believe the thread mentions AF1 and not fighter jets. Besides, I'd take his word over half of the heresay and speculation posted on this site. He served on the thing for crying out loud.
 
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RE: Air Force One Replacement?

Tue Oct 17, 2006 1:12 am

Quoting AirTran717 (Reply 46):
N328KF, cute. That's not what I meant and you know it. I believe the thread mentions AF1 and not fighter jets. Besides, I'd take his word over half of the heresay and speculation posted on this site. He served on the thing for crying out loud.

Well, now...does anyone know if Bush has ever flown on a C-32? Cheney definitely has.

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RE: Air Force One Replacement?

Tue Oct 17, 2006 1:12 am

I would love to see an A380 in Air Force One colors. It will be huge--has the range to fly non-stop to Iraq and other countries, and has enough space to carry equipment and people aboard.
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RE: Air Force One Replacement?

Tue Oct 17, 2006 1:16 am

Quoting AirTran717 (Reply 46):
N328KF, cute. That's not what I meant and you know it. I believe the thread mentions AF1 and not fighter jets. Besides, I'd take his word over half of the heresay and speculation posted on this site. He served on the thing for crying out loud.

The president uses C-32s (757s) and a variety of twin engine business jets, so though he may be correct for long international flights (which only the VC-25A would be used for anyway), but on short hops it does not matter.
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