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Favorite Vietnam War Aircraft

Wed Oct 25, 2006 3:45 am

In light of the recent topic "Favorite WW2 Aircraft" I wanted to know what your favorite Veitnam War aircraft was?
 
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RE: Favorite Vietnam War Aircraft

Wed Oct 25, 2006 4:25 am

From my own branch:

The old DogBird. Loved flying it. I would give anything to get to fire some 2.75" SSFFARs off those wings again! I get goosebumps just thinking about it.
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From the Air Force:

The AC-47. Spooky. Take my word for it, there is one up there at the top of those tracer trails. It was, as we said at the time, "a pee-bringer" The sound was wonderful!
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From the Navy:


In case you just fell off the turnip truck, that is an F-8 Crusader, not a SLUF.
Now I have to confess, I never saw an F-8 in combat. I just love the airplane. The only Navy aircraft I ever got to see were the Huey "Seawolf" gunships based at Dong Tam. Hey, one Huey is pretty much like another but the Crusader was like nothing before or since.

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From the United States Marine Corps:

That, gentlemen, is an OV-10 Bronco. There are some weapon systems that just look the part: The Thompson submachinegun, the BAR and the OV-10 to name but three.

Honorable mention to (Army) Hueys, Air Force Skyraiders (all bailed from the Navy  Smile) and Navy F-4s.
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RE: Favorite Vietnam War Aircraft

Wed Oct 25, 2006 4:25 am

Definitely the F-105 Thunderchief.



The Cessna O-2 Skymaster is in a very close second!



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RE: Favorite Vietnam War Aircraft

Wed Oct 25, 2006 5:18 am

I can't sy I have a favorite aircraft, but the two missions-
The Wild Weasels and the Recces (RF-4c).

Going through tech school and watching film from BDA missions from the Recces, damn, those guys had some guts. I don't think the the Wild Weasel pilots could not have even been human to take that job.

Gotta love the Thud! There was a thread a while back where many thought the Lightning II should have been named the Thunderchief II.

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RE: Favorite Vietnam War Aircraft

Wed Oct 25, 2006 6:59 am

Quoting PJFlysFast (Thread starter):
In light of the recent topic "Favorite WW2 Aircraft" I wanted to know what your favorite Veitnam War aircraft was?

For me it's the F-105 Thunderchief. A close second is the early F-4 Phantom II's. I'm not real wild about the long nose F-4E, though the RF-4 looks pretty decent to me.

I also like the A-1 Skyraider and the A-4 Skyhawk.
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RE: Favorite Vietnam War Aircraft

Wed Oct 25, 2006 8:09 am

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RE: Favorite Vietnam War Aircraft

Wed Oct 25, 2006 8:29 am

My favourite aircraft from the Vietnamwar is the F-4 Phantom II


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Although, the US Navy one looks the best.
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RE: Favorite Vietnam War Aircraft

Wed Oct 25, 2006 8:36 am

SlamClick were you in Vietnam? If so what did you do?
 
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RE: Favorite Vietnam War Aircraft

Wed Oct 25, 2006 9:32 am

I've always been particular to the A-6.

But on a tangent... Slam, that appears to be a non American F-8 operating off of an American carrier. Does anyone know how common that is?
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RE: Favorite Vietnam War Aircraft

Wed Oct 25, 2006 11:04 am

A-5 Vigilante

 
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RE: Favorite Vietnam War Aircraft

Wed Oct 25, 2006 1:16 pm

Quoting PJFlysFast (Reply 7):
SlamClick were you in Vietnam?

Yes I was, for 348 days, 300 missions, 1276 hours of combat time, but then, who is counting?

Quoting PJFlysFast (Reply 7):
If so what did you do?

What is your security clearance?
Seriously; US Army aviator, fixed wing, electronic surveillance.

Quoting RampRat74 (Reply 9):
A-5 Vigilante

I debated listing that one but I really don't think of it as a combat aircraft. I never saw one there - only around Pensacola. Speaking of which: One day in instrument training I was headed down that way "under the hood" when my IP yanked the hood off, yelling "Jeeeezus! Look at this!" An A-5, Viggie went over our head about a hundred feet - UPSIDE DOWN. The pilot was looking at us and casually waving a gloved hand. Damn that was cool. Nothing I'll ever do will be half so cool. The Viggie is just about perfect, so beautiful.
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RE: Favorite Vietnam War Aircraft

Wed Oct 25, 2006 1:44 pm



My pick.....the Helio U-5 Twin Courier:










I'd give anything to see it's performance numbers and read it's operating manual....surely the numbers are impressive, but my favorite thing about it is the secrecy and intrigue surrounding it. Apparently, only two were built, and they eventually went to India. From there, nobody seems to know what happened to them.

Based on what I've read about Air America, and their...ahem..."less than official" aircraft manufacturing practices, I wouldn't be at all surprised if they had something to do with the Twin Couriers.



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RE: Favorite Vietnam War Aircraft

Wed Oct 25, 2006 1:45 pm

The Vietnam era had so many cool planes and helos, and our carriers had such a diverse air group on them then (now going almost all F-18, yuck). While all the Century series fighters are cool the F-4 Phantom has always been a favorite of mine. Just a mean looking bad ass machine. I love the aerodynamic beauty of the F-104 and Vigilante and the Delta Dart and Dagger.. F-106/F-102 have always held a special place as we didn't do a lot of deltas in operation (XB-70 and the XF2Y, XV-15 i.e.).

So fixed wing the F-4, for helos the ubiquitious Huey which my father flew in the war and has always been my favorite helo period.
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RE: Favorite Vietnam War Aircraft

Wed Oct 25, 2006 11:01 pm

Right from the start of the conflict my USAF choice would be the recon RF-101C Voodoo flown by the 'Cotton Pickers' and the 'Polka Dots'. A very large fast aircraft with stubby wings, acknowledged as difficult to handle, often flying on their own over enemy territory.

For the USN it would be the A-3 Skywarrior, specifically the RA-3B which was flown by VAP-61 as well as the EA-3B which provided SAM threat warning as well as ELINT duties. The Skywarrior's role in the conflict seems largely ignored which is sad as many ended up at the bottom of the Gulf of Tonkin and in fact at least one was shot down by a MiG.

For the USMC it would be the ancient 'DRUT' - the EF-10B Skynight - which accompanied the first 'Iron Hand' anti-SAM attacks in 1965. The Skynight had achieved fame as the first jet to shoot down another jet at night during the Korean War 13 years earlier!

For the Army it would have to be the OH-6A 'Loach', it really must have taken guts to have skittered around the sky in that tiny little tadpole shaped helo.

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RE: Favorite Vietnam War Aircraft

Wed Oct 25, 2006 11:25 pm

Guys, guys.....the AD4 Skyraider.....
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RE: Favorite Vietnam War Aircraft

Wed Oct 25, 2006 11:37 pm

I am surprised that I didn't mention the "other" Recce, the SR-71 flew one hell of a lot of missions out of the Det at Kadena.

But if your not getting muddy, or a few kills, there's not much glory.

Proudly can say "Been there, done that!".
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RE: Favorite Vietnam War Aircraft

Wed Oct 25, 2006 11:53 pm

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 12):
Helio U-5 Twin Courier

Never saw one. Air America had a number of Dornier DO-28 like this:

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And for civil aircraft, the Vietnam war was interesting too. Air America had Helio Couriers, Pilatus turbo-Porters, twin Beeches, Volpar twin Beeches and even DC-3 and Caribou. They also had Bell 204s, the B-model Huey. Air Vietnam (known affectionately as Air Nuoc Ma'am) had DC-3s, C-46, someone even had a Boeing 307 parked at Tan Son Nhut.

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RE: Favorite Vietnam War Aircraft

Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:06 am

I believe that some of the coolest aircraft ever built flew in the Vietnam conflict - I'd go with:

F-105F/G
AC-119J/K
AC-130A
AC-47D
RA-5C
AP-2H
OP-2E
A-1E
A-3D
F-4C/D
F-8J
A-26K
A-37A/B
ACH-47A

Just to name a few.....
 
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RE: Favorite Vietnam War Aircraft

Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:10 am

I loved all the fixed wing aircraft of Vietnam, but overall, I have to say the Bell AH-1 takes the cake for my most favorite Vietnam era aircraft.


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RE: Favorite Vietnam War Aircraft

Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:19 am

Fav Vietnam Aircraft????

USAF: A-1 Skyraiders... the last effective Radial Piston Mud-Burner! Low-Slow-Death
US Army: Hueys... No doubt... Grunt Mover... "Aunt Agony"... you name it...
USMC: OV10s... Undisputable! Looks the part, does its magic!
USN: A-4 Scooters (ehem... Skyhawks)... Surprised no one mentioned it. COIN, Fast Observer, Mud Moving, Anti-Armour, you name it... Dump the load and see the Mig pilots sweat trying to get a bullet on one of these! If this one's disqualified, I'd go for the A5s  Smile
South Vietnam: F-5As...
NorthVietnam??? Well, the Mig19s... Silly plane that flew well  Smile

Btw, who operated the AH-1 Cobras then? US Army or USMC?
Other specialty notes: A-5 Vigilantees = first combat aircraft with active Flight Control System ?


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RE: Favorite Vietnam War Aircraft

Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:22 am

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 16):
Air America had a number of Dornier DO-28 like this:

I was a little surprised when researching the comments for this aircraft that it had a service history with Air America:

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To quote the remark: A Dornier 28A, owned by American Pacific Air, flying out of Maui. Soon after this picture was taken it was sold to someone on the mainland. This aircraft, in its younger days, was owned by Air America and used in South Vietnam, Laos and Thailand.

On a related note, I'll be in Vietnam again in December. This time, I am going to hit the Air Force museum in Hanoi when its open. Last year it was a Monday, plus it was closed for renovations - it reopened in March. Last year, I also saw the B-52 Victory Museum and the Air Defence Museum, plus B-52 Lake. Any other recommendations in Hanoi or elsewhere?
 
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RE: Favorite Vietnam War Aircraft

Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:40 am

Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 19):
Btw, who operated the AH-1 Cobras then? US Army or USMC?

It started for the US Army, but the USMC found the aircraft so useful for their operations they adopted the a/c and (obviously) continues to fly for them today.

http://www.faqs.org/docs/air/avcobra.html
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RE: Favorite Vietnam War Aircraft

Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:55 am

Oops... I didn't know that BOTH the Army and Marines operated the AH1 in Vietnam...

Thanks Jake,

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RE: Favorite Vietnam War Aircraft

Thu Oct 26, 2006 2:02 am

Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 22):
Oops... I didn't know that BOTH the Army and Marines operated the AH1 in Vietnam...

Yes, but the USMC didn't get their models until the 70s, when the war was starting to come to a close. So you could say that the Army used them for the majority of the war.

But your welcome.  

*EDIT*

Oh, there was this one story I heard while watching the Military channel.

A Mcdonnell Douglas MD 500 helicopter would be partnered with a AH-1 Cobra. The purpose of the 500 was to go into a supposedly infested Vietcong area, drop some bombs, gernades, or whatever else to flush out the Vietcong into attacking the 500. The 500 would zoom outta there and hand over the fight to the Cobra.

One Cobra pilot said, "Its unfair. Its basically they (MD 500 crew) walks up to the devil, kicks him in the balls, take off running, and we have to fight him!"

I was ROFL on that one.

[Edited 2006-10-25 19:07:36]
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RE: Favorite Vietnam War Aircraft

Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:08 am

For me it's the F-100. The Hun is just beautiful. Especially in the Southeast Asia camo.

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RE: Favorite Vietnam War Aircraft

Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:11 am

Quoting Hemispheres (Reply 24):
For me it's the F-100. The Hun is just beautiful. Especially in the Southeast Asia camo.

Well, there is one for sale at my nearest airport. Fully flyable and no doubt comes with a checkout by none other than Skip Holm.

It won't be cheap but you can pay for it with the money you save not buying an F-15.
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RE: Favorite Vietnam War Aircraft

Thu Oct 26, 2006 6:42 am

Quoting Ryan h (Reply 6):
My favourite aircraft from the Vietnamwar is the F-4 Phantom II



Quoting Ryan h (Reply 6):
Although, the US Navy one looks the best.

I second both. Big grin
 
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RE: Favorite Vietnam War Aircraft

Thu Oct 26, 2006 7:26 am

Quoting JakeOrion (Reply 23):
One Cobra pilot said, "Its unfair. Its basically they (MD 500 crew) walks up to the devil, kicks him in the balls, take off running, and we have to fight him!"

I was ROFL on that one.

A little off the subject, but we had a similar situation when we would go in to extract Special Forces recon teams. Just before we picked them up, they would fire off a bunch of ammo at whatever NVA group they had been shadowing and then run like hell for the Landing Zone. We'd see them come barrelling out of the treeline firing over their shoulders, and had the pleasure of sitting there till they scrambled aboard, usually laughing like hyenas...

Crazy bastards...
 
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RE: Favorite Vietnam War Aircraft

Thu Oct 26, 2006 6:03 pm

Quoting N911ME (Reply 17):
F-105F/G
AC-119J/K
AC-130A
AC-47D
RA-5C
AP-2H
OP-2E
A-1E
A-3D
F-4C/D
F-8J
A-26K
A-37A/B
ACH-47A

All of those, and others were great Vietnam War aircraft, along with the Mig-19s and (early) -21s.

But the best airplane in the Vietnam War is:


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RE: Favorite Vietnam War Aircraft

Thu Oct 26, 2006 9:22 pm

Favorite Vietnam War A/C: AC-47 SPOOKY!!!

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RE: Favorite Vietnam War Aircraft

Thu Oct 26, 2006 10:38 pm

I sure wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of spooky!
 
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RE: Favorite Vietnam War Aircraft

Thu Oct 26, 2006 11:33 pm

Quoting PJFlysFast (Reply 30):
I sure wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of spooky!

I have seen tracers going back UP at them! Not for very long, mind you, but I have seen VC shoot back at them. I was reminded of a garter snake that coiled and challenged my lawnmower.

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RE: Favorite Vietnam War Aircraft

Thu Oct 26, 2006 11:50 pm




Quoting SlamClick (Reply 31):
I was reminded of a garter snake that coiled and challenged my lawnmower.

Wow, I've never seen such aggression from a garter snake. I would have enjoyed witnessing your evasive maneuvers...  Smile



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RE: Favorite Vietnam War Aircraft

Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:17 am

Thanks SlamClick for serveing our country! I appreciate it. Were you a FO?
 
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RE: Favorite Vietnam War Aircraft

Fri Oct 27, 2006 4:04 am

Quoting PJFlysFast (Reply 33):
Were you a FO?

FO? Not sure, that has meant several things during my working life.

First Officer? Not in Vietnam. "pilot" or "aircraft commander"
F*** Off? Absolutely. One of the best.
Forward Observer? Not by actual job description. ELINT, but by virtue of being on the scene I have directed artillery and called in airstrikes.
Flying Officer? Obsolete designation. I was a "wojie bear" Warrant Officer until I made CW2 and was addressed as "chief" rather than "hey you"
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RE: Favorite Vietnam War Aircraft

Fri Oct 27, 2006 11:24 am

SlamClick, what was your primary aircraft over there? I didn't know that O-1s did ELINT.
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RE: Favorite Vietnam War Aircraft

Fri Oct 27, 2006 6:13 pm

The sixties produced an enormous numbert of great aircraft in all categories.

Not to forget we are talking war here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_losses_of_the_Vietnam_War

The # of Huey's lost is not included but I remember reading it is astonishing..
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RE: Favorite Vietnam War Aircraft

Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:00 pm

Quoting Keesje (Reply 36):
The # of Huey's lost is not included but I remember reading it is astonishing..

Yeah, it was something like 6500.
 
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RE: Favorite Vietnam War Aircraft

Sat Oct 28, 2006 2:43 am

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 37):
Quoting Keesje (Reply 36):
The # of Huey's lost is not included but I remember reading it is astonishing..

Yeah, it was something like 6500.

And that, my friends, is why you should look verrrrrrrry verrrrrrrrrrry carefully at spare helicopter parts where you do not personally know the previous operator.

Ex.
Hiller blades are made of unobtainium. A bunch of very nice looking 'Hiller blades" with all the right part numbers and supposed documentation came on the market back a while ago. Until it was discovered that these were cut down timed out Bell 47 rotor blades that had been spiffed up with some very artful documentation, and that the point of origin was Viet Nam.
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RE: Favorite Vietnam War Aircraft

Sat Oct 28, 2006 7:16 am

That'd be a tossup between the Thud and Double Ugly (F-4), particularly the E model.



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RE: Favorite Vietnam War Aircraft

Sat Oct 28, 2006 8:10 am

Quoting Drewfly (Reply 35):
SlamClick, what was your primary aircraft over there?

More personal info than I normally will post in open forum. I generally don't specify the outfits I've worked for as this leaves me feeling more free to speak my mind about things on here. This includes the airline at which I had my career and the half dozen others where I've worked or consulted as well as military units.

Quoting Drewfly (Reply 35):
I didn't know that O-1s did ELINT.

I don't think they did, unless you classify a CAR-15, some 2.75" rockets and a box of smoke grenades as ELINT gear.  Smile
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RE: Favorite Vietnam War Aircraft

Sat Oct 28, 2006 8:31 am

Quoting Hemispheres (Reply 24):
For me it's the F-100. The Hun is just beautiful. Especially in the Southeast Asia camo.

 yes 

possibly a toss up for the F-4 as well.

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RE: Favorite Vietnam War Aircraft

Sat Oct 28, 2006 12:51 pm

For me it's gotta be the good old CH47A Chinook. I flew with a recovery unit called Pipesmoke and we pulled lots of downed A/C out and brought them back for repair.

Check out this website, in particular the photos:

http://hexmate.homestead.com/

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RE: Favorite Vietnam War Aircraft

Mon Oct 30, 2006 1:58 pm

Parked here in las vegas at the north las vegas airport (still might be here) is a Russian Mig Fighter? I think it is. sticks out like a sore thumb at a smaller airport.

Not as much as the cessna? (some baby aircraft) that was wedged in the side of a hangar area between buildings like it almost crashed there. At the other end of the airport along cheyenne is some touring company I think that parted down a silver plane of some make, everytime I drove by something else was missing off it.
 
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RE: Favorite Vietnam War Aircraft

Fri Nov 03, 2006 4:06 am

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 34):
FO?

Forward observer

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