borat
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Fly In A B-17

Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:48 am

This may be of interest for those in the states.

'The US Experimental Aircraft Association (EAA) is to offer 30min flights on a restored Boeing B-17G Flying Fortress bomber in groups of eight for $400 as part of a US tour of the aircraft.'

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...ng+Fortress+bomber%2c+on+tour.html

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dl021
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RE: Fly In A B-17

Thu Oct 26, 2006 10:35 am

The EAA has been offering rides for $395 per person to EAA members (slightly more for non-members) for years, first on the original Aluminum Overcast, and then on it's replacement after some genius bellied her in a couple of years ago.

Go to their website for more info here: http://www.b17.org/.

There is some latebreaking news on their main site about a temporary suspension to the tour while they rectify some landing gear issues.

You can also ride the Liberty Belle, a "brand new" B-17 as far as airframe hours are concerned, go to this website for more info: http://www.libertyfoundation.org/index.php
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RE: Fly In A B-17

Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:43 pm

I rode on "Fuddy Duddy" two summers ago (the stand-in for "Aluminum Overcast") and loved every second of it.


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borat
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RE: Fly In A B-17

Thu Oct 26, 2006 6:39 pm

Sorry guys, i thought it was a new tour. I should have done some research :s

BTW were there any fare paying passengers on the a/c that bellied in?

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RE: Fly In A B-17

Fri Oct 27, 2006 12:25 am

Quoting DL021 (Reply 1):
some genius bellied her in a couple of years ago.

I'm gonna assume you are talking about when it was out in California and the GEAR COLLAPSED while it was taxiing (or maybe on the rollout after landing). But it was NOT bellied in. Good thing the pilot wasn't around when you said that or you two probably would have exchanged some words. News cameras just happened to be taking live footage of it as it was taxiing when the gear collapsed. I'm sure the video is on the web.

Quoting Borat (Reply 3):
BTW were there any fare paying passengers on the a/c that bellied in?

I believe so, but once again, it was NOT bellied in. It was going maybe 10-15 mph, the gear gave out and it just plopped down and stopped right where it was.
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RE: Fly In A B-17

Fri Oct 27, 2006 4:18 am

Quoting Borat (Reply 3):
Sorry guys, i thought it was a new tour. I should have done some research :s

Actually you did fine. Calling this to peoples' attention is a worthy service. I would heartily recommend investing the money and taking the ride to anyone out there who:

A. Knows what a B-17 is, historically.
B. Thinks they might be remotely interested.

You may not be able to do this forever, liability being what it is. Also the money goes to support an incredibly expensive undertaking - keeping this work of art, this rolling piece of history flying. Do you have any idea what an achievement it is, getting four sixty year old radial engines running at the same time? Appreciate it when you see one of these flying.

No, I have not taken the ride. I missed my best chance when they were still using them as air tankers. I did some favors for a B-17 crew and later, when they had to put a couple hours an an engine in off-contract flying they were looking for me to sit in the seat and play bomber pilot for a while. I was off chasing girls or riding my motorcycle or something and missed them.

Oh, and once, at Chester California during the fire season I shared the traffic pattern with FIVE B-17s. Time warp, England, 1943! Magic.

Take the ride. There are lots worse ways to blow $400
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RE: Fly In A B-17

Fri Oct 27, 2006 5:01 am

Quoting Dlednicer (Reply 2):
I rode on "Fuddy Duddy" two summers ago (the stand-in for "Aluminum Overcast") and loved every second of it.

A brilliant ride indeed. Felt a bit strange to go from Sweden to Grand Rapids just for that, but it was well worth it. Cool stuff.
 
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RE: Fly In A B-17

Fri Oct 27, 2006 7:05 am

Quoting FlyUSCG (Reply 4):
Quoting DL021 (Reply 1):
some genius bellied her in a couple of years ago.

I'm gonna assume you are talking about when it was out in California and the GEAR COLLAPSED while it was taxiing (or maybe on the rollout after landing). But it was NOT bellied in. Good thing the pilot wasn't around when you said that or you two probably would have exchanged some words. News cameras just happened to be taking live footage of it as it was taxiing when the gear collapsed. I'm sure the video is on the web.

I knew that someone would chime in with that. I was being a little facetious when I made fun....luckily no one was injured and after all the finger pointing they got her back up and flying. One of the former Aluminum Overcast pilots was later flying the Liberty Belle and we discussed the incident with some laughter. It's one of those things that's only funny when it's all fixed and no one got hurt, and you weren't one of the ones involved in the maintenance or operation of the airplane.

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 5):
Actually you did fine. Calling this to peoples' attention is a worthy service.

Absolutely! This is a flight worth taking, and the money is well spent on keeping these birds flying.

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 5):
I would heartily recommend investing the money and taking the ride to anyone out there who:

It really is an investment in living history.

Make sure you get up in the nose. It's one hell of a view.
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RE: Fly In A B-17

Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:23 am

If you live a bit farther North this is what Hamilton has to offer:
http://www.warplane.com/pages/services_rideprogram.html
Flying in the Harvard or Stearman is pretty cheap. If you feel like spending more (a lot more) you can crew on the B-25, Catalina or Lancaster. I'm sure there is a waiting list.
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RE: Fly In A B-17

Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:25 pm

Saw some WWII vintage aircraft at ORH years ago..they were in for radio work before a trans-Atlantic trip for a movie being shot in Great Britain.
The aircraft were great to see...but what was even better was talking to some of the people who'd come out to look at them. Find some people of a certain age...with a look of nostalgia on their faces..and you'll hear some great stories..from true heros..
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RE: Fly In A B-17

Sat Oct 28, 2006 4:29 am

In addition to those mentioned The Collings foundation offers flights on thier
B-17, B-24 and B-25 and the Yankee Air Museum has B-17 and B-25 flights.
 
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RE: Fly In A B-17

Sun Oct 29, 2006 11:01 pm

do the modern planes still have the cool sputter/cough on startup? sorry, hard to describe the sound of it (watch the scenes in memphis belle when they all take off for the sound)

I've wondered if this was just the normal "noise" for the engine (which is damn cool!) or if it's a "flaw" that was worked out later in the engine overhauls.
 
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RE: Fly In A B-17

Sun Oct 29, 2006 11:53 pm

Quoting Mohavewolfpup (Reply 11):
the cool sputter/cough on startup? sorry, hard to describe the sound of it

You did just fine describing the sound we all know so well. It was the siren call that drew some of us into aviation.

A few years ago I went to a memorial service for Bill Skliar (Google) an SR-71/YF-12 test pilot. It was held in a large hangar next to the air tanker base during fire season. At one point in the service there was a fire somewhere and a C-54 started up. As that sound wafted over those of us in the hangar one old veteral pilot said: "That's the music I want played at my funeral."

I couldn't agree more.

No, today's piston engines tend to be much smaller and of opposed-cylinder arrangement and in general, they give a very poor impersonation of that sound.

The sound, by the way, is best preceded by the rising whine of an inertia starter.
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RE: Fly In A B-17

Mon Oct 30, 2006 1:31 am

I got to fill both Aluminum Overcast and Fuddy Duddy with good 'ol avgas a bunch durring the EAA's AirVenture this past year. Those were some thirsty birds!
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RE: Fly In A B-17

Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:03 am

Quoting FutureUApilot (Reply 13):
I got to fill both Aluminum Overcast and Fuddy Duddy with good 'ol avgas a bunch durring the EAA's AirVenture this past year. Those were some thirsty birds!

how much did it take? the old "give us your bank account # and we tell you when?"  Wink

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 12):
No, today's piston engines tend to be much smaller and of opposed-cylinder arrangement and in general, they give a very poor impersonation of that sound.

it's the radial engine making that noise? sorry about the mention of "modern planes" also, it sounded good in my head but bad posted. I meant to say "modern" B17's after all the overhauls/engine fixes, but it was still interesting hearing about the modern planes anyway!  Smile

Someday I hope to see one of these fine birds, but that will be a long ways off. The interesting thing was that I think I saw a B17,B24,B29? Taking off from the smaller North Las Vegas airport here one time. It was definitely a big old war bird, I was too far away from it to make any more features. That was last year when I saw it, around march? I want to say.

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