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Fastest British Military Jet

Fri Nov 03, 2006 1:36 am

What British Military jet is the fastest? Just wondering.

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RE: Fastest British Military Jet

Fri Nov 03, 2006 4:02 am

No contest: TORNADO ADV (even faster than the TSR-2 & the Fairey Delta)
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RE: Fastest British Military Jet

Fri Nov 03, 2006 4:19 am

I,ts the Tornado for the time being but it will be replaced by the Eurofighter....

Tornado = 1452 mph (Mach 2.2)
Eurofighter = 1321 mph (Mach 2.1)

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RE: Fastest British Military Jet

Fri Nov 03, 2006 4:35 am




Quoting N215AZ (Thread starter):
What British Military jet is the fastest?



Quoting RAPCON (Reply 1):
No contest:

The English Electric Lightning, actually:

Performance

* Maximum speed: Mach 2.27 (1,500 mph, 2,415 km/h) at altitude
* Range: 800 mi (1287 km) combat, 1,560 mi (2,500 km) ferry
* Service ceiling: 60,000 ft (18,000 m)
* Rate of climb: 50,000 ft/min (255 m/s)
* Wing loading: 87.9 lb/ft² (428.6 kg/m²)
* Thrust/weight: 0.63

The original poster didn't specify in service.....  Wink



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RE: Fastest British Military Jet

Fri Nov 03, 2006 5:06 am

True 2H4!

Though Tornado F.3 hardly sets the world on fire at altitude, it is apparently very impressive at lower levels, beyond the IDS version.

Not that this was an issue, with it being really a 'bomber swatter'.
 
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RE: Fastest British Military Jet

Fri Nov 03, 2006 6:21 am

I think that the "best bomber we never had", the TSR2, was potentially the fastest British military aircraft built:

"Flight 14 was XR219's trip to Warton, during which it went supersonic for the first and only time. TSR.2's performance was shown to good effect on this flight; when Beamont engaged reheat on a single engine, the chase aircraft (a Lightning T.5, a mach 2 aircraft and certainly no slouch) was left behind despite engaging reheat on both of its engines!"

Source: http://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co.uk/tsr2/history.html

I say potentially the fastest since I have read elsewhere that while it had the power and aerodynamics to exceed mach 2.5, the airframe was not designed to withstand the temperatures that would result from flight at such speed .
 
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RE: Fastest British Military Jet

Fri Nov 03, 2006 7:58 am

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 3):
The English Electric Lightning, actually:
Performance
* Maximum speed: Mach 2.27 (1,500 mph, 2,415 km/h) at altitude

Wiki says that the GR4 has a maximum speed: Mach 2.34, 2,417.6 km/h (1,511 mph). And that's "wikiality".

Quoting Art (Reply 5):
", the TSR2, was potentially the fastest British military aircraft built

Nah, just a bit slower than the Tornado & Lightning.
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RE: Fastest British Military Jet

Fri Nov 03, 2006 8:41 am




Quoting RAPCON (Reply 6):
Wiki says that the GR4 has a maximum speed: Mach 2.34

Damn. Thought I had you.

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RE: Fastest British Military Jet

Fri Nov 03, 2006 11:43 pm

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 3):
The original poster didn't specify in service..... Wink

Fastest in service

Thanks though,

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RE: Fastest British Military Jet

Sat Nov 04, 2006 8:25 am

Quoting N215AZ (Reply 8):
Fastest in service

But you never said it needed a pilot....
Then that would be the Mach 2.7 Bristol Bloodhound Mk II,
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RE: Fastest British Military Jet

Sun Nov 05, 2006 4:45 am

Quoting SAS A340 (Reply 2):
Tornado = 1452 mph (Mach 2.2)
Eurofighter = 1321 mph (Mach 2.1)

With the Typhoon's ability to supercruise, don't you think it's top end speed is higher than Mach 2.1?
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RE: Fastest British Military Jet

Sun Nov 05, 2006 5:26 am

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 9):
the Mach 2.7 Bristol Bloodhound Mk II

It needed to be a jet though.

Quoting EBJ1248650 (Reply 10):
With the Typhoon's ability to supercruise, don't you think it's top end speed is higher than Mach 2.1?

Apparently not, usually Mach 2.0 is listed.

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RE: Fastest British Military Jet

Sun Nov 05, 2006 7:30 am

Quoting RAPCON (Reply 6):
Wiki says that the GR4 has a maximum speed: Mach 2.34, 2,417.6 km/h (1,511 mph). And that's "wikiality".

Recent discussions on www.pprune.org by people directly connected with RAF Tornado ops suggest that it would get nowhere near Mach 2.34 - more like Mach 1.4 when really pushed. Carriage of external stores and the effect of other airframe add-ons which the types has acquired during its service life has a direct impact on its speed capability as well.
 
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RE: Fastest British Military Jet

Sun Nov 05, 2006 9:01 am

I have something much better than Wikipedia - an old copy of Jane's:

Tornado IDS (GR), at altitude, Mach 2,2. Obviously without external stores.
Tornado ADV (F), also Mach 2.2 at altitude.

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RE: Fastest British Military Jet

Sun Nov 05, 2006 9:46 am

Quoting Ptrjong (Reply 11):
It needed to be a jet though.

Ah but it was.. I guess that depends on your definition of a "jet"

Was it an airborne vehicle powered by an air breathing jet engine? Most certainly.

Launched with rocket boosters with Thor ramjet sustainer engines.

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RE: Fastest British Military Jet

Sun Nov 05, 2006 10:23 am

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 14):
your definition of a "jet"

A jet-powered aeroplane Wink

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RE: Fastest British Military Jet

Sun Nov 05, 2006 12:38 pm

Quoting EBJ1248650 (Reply 10):
With the Typhoon's ability to supercruise, don't you think it's top end speed is higher than Mach 2.1?

Ability to supercruise is pushing it a bit... it can supercruise without weapons/fuel stores... not much point in being able to do that...except on the return home when it's trying to outrun its enemies.
The F22 can supercruise both to and from its target with weapons.
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RE: Fastest British Military Jet

Sun Nov 05, 2006 11:11 pm

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 16):
Quoting EBJ1248650 (Reply 10):
With the Typhoon's ability to supercruise, don't you think it's top end speed is higher than Mach 2.1?

Ability to supercruise is pushing it a bit... it can supercruise without weapons/fuel stores... not much point in being able to do that...except on the return home when it's trying to outrun its enemies.

"The Typhoon reaches speeds about Mach 1,2 to 1,3 without reheat and the standard weapon load (6 AAMs)."
Source: http://www.eurofighter-typhoon.co.uk...ic.php?sid=&f=1&t=808&hilit=cruise

Quoting RAPCON (Reply 6):
Quoting Art (Reply 5):
", the TSR2, was potentially the fastest British military aircraft built

Nah, just a bit slower than the Tornado & Lightning.

I doubt it. It was able to achieve in excess of mach 2 with 1 afterburner lit. This would be in spite of having to overcome the considerable extra drag involved in overcoming the yaw effect of asymmetric thrusts either side of the longtitudinal axis. Removing these losses by lighting the second afterburner and increasing thrust by ca 10.000lb would, I think, certainly result in a speed in excess of mach 2.3 ie higher than than the highest speed claimed for either the Lightning or the Tornado.

[Edited 2006-11-05 15:13:27]

[Edited 2006-11-05 15:17:04]
 
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RE: Fastest British Military Jet

Mon Nov 06, 2006 10:10 pm

Quoting Art (Reply 17):
I doubt it

Doubt all you want, it only hit 2.15
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RE: Fastest British Military Jet

Mon Nov 06, 2006 10:59 pm

Quoting RAPCON (Reply 1):
TORNADO ADV (even faster than the TSR-2

Isn't the Tornado a sort of TSR3 anyway - incorporating many of the lessons learnt in the TSR2 design process?
 
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Tue Nov 07, 2006 5:00 am

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RE: Fastest British Military Jet

Tue Nov 07, 2006 5:08 am

Scouseflyer, partly true.
The RAF required a low level strike aircraft true, while TSR.2 would have been preferred, it was clear that even had it entered service, numbers would have been small-the replacement-subsequently cancelled but around the same size and price, the F-111K, only had an order of 50 machines.

Having been convinced that the only way to get an all new aircraft, one that also retained the large UK design influence-unlike a straight offshore buy-even with licenced production, was through European collaboration, they were prepared to accept something smaller in what became the MRCA, later Tornado.
Since the 'sub strategic' element of TSR-2, replacing some V-Bombers to dedicated theatre nuclear strike declared to NATO, was dropped, this would be no biggie.
It also allowed the planned new aircraft to replace a much wider range of types.

As it turned out, the RAF got 220 of the IDS Tornado, replacing German based Jaguar units, as well as Vulcans and Buccaneers.
That the basic Tornado platform could be adapted for the specialised requirement for an interceptor, for the all weather, heavy ECM enviroment, over the vast areas of UK airspace and Eastern Atlantic, only made it even more attractive.
Though this was only confirmed in 1976, two years after the prototype Tornado had first flown, after an evaluation of other, US types.
 
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RE: Fastest British Military Jet

Tue Nov 07, 2006 7:10 am

Some dusty old neurons fired to suggest the Bristol 188 as a possible Fastest British Military(-funded research) jet. But it turns out that the highest speed it achieved was, ironically enough, Mach 1.88. It must have been exciting to fly, with a takeoff speed of nearly 300mph.
 
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RE: Fastest British Military Jet

Thu Nov 09, 2006 12:54 am

Quoting Areopagus (Reply 22):
It must have been exciting to fly, with a takeoff speed of nearly 300mph.

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RE: Fastest British Military Jet

Fri Nov 10, 2006 6:19 am

Quoting Areopagus (Reply 22):
It must have been exciting to fly, with a takeoff speed of nearly 300mph.

Interesting to land, too!

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