egronenthal
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Focke-Wulf FW 190 Recovery Photos

Thu Nov 09, 2006 6:18 am

Great series of photos showing an FW 190 being raised from the sea bottom, off the coast of Norway, I believe.

http://www.luftwaffe.no/wreck/index.htm

http://www.luftwaffe.no/wreck/source/image/img_8370.jpg

Does anyone have any more details to add? Where is the airplane today? Will it be restored?
 
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RE: Focke-Wulf FW 190 Recovery Photos

Thu Nov 09, 2006 7:12 am

Wow, for a plane that has been under water for 60something years she looks pretty good!
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RE: Focke-Wulf FW 190 Recovery Photos

Thu Nov 09, 2006 8:10 am

Quoting Petertenthije (Reply 1):
Wow, for a plane that has been under water for 60something years she looks pretty good!

I agree, it's in exceptionally good condition! There also appears to be little damage to the structure except the tail. Perhaps many years in the mud/silt has saved the structure from the salt deterioration.

What do you think, a mechanical failure or lack of fuel that doomed it?
 
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RE: Focke-Wulf FW 190 Recovery Photos

Sat Nov 11, 2006 4:38 am

It is great that an historical airplane like this FW-190 survived and was found and recovered.
 
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RE: Focke-Wulf FW 190 Recovery Photos

Sat Nov 11, 2006 6:40 am

Great pictures. Love to know more about this. Do they know what brought it down? If it was shot down, by whom? Pilot's fate?

I find I am really stirred by the swastika on the tail. You know, the movies I've seen, the History Channel documentaries and so on, all rather theoretical somehow. Just academic; historical. Even the long conversations I had with veterans in my youth (German and American) just memories served up by men with a faraway look, but still, so intangible.

But there is a no-shit Nazi swastika. Hey, that stuff was real man! The gunners hunched over their fifties in the back of a B-17, watching their breath freeze on their parkas saw that very plane and their blood went cold. Very moving.
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RE: Focke-Wulf FW 190 Recovery Photos

Sun Nov 12, 2006 9:31 pm

Great photos thanks. Well I think it probably was fuel or some other technical problem becuase the aircraft seems to have no fighting damage. The only thing which I noticed that could be something is near the tail on the left side there are some bigger (could be impact) holes and smaller (bullet?) ones. Otherwise I would also exclude a lucky shot killing the pilot since the front windows of the canopy are intact and also no bullet holes on the sides near the cockpit. Maybe someone can find out what happenend even if that wil be difficult.
 
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RE: Focke-Wulf FW 190 Recovery Photos

Mon Nov 13, 2006 6:51 am

Well ok I did a little bit of research today and found some things. I hope I get all of the translation correct. The plane was from the famous squadron JG5 Eismeer (Ice ocean). It was part of the Stab IV and in the 12 group (I hope I got that right). This group number 12 first came to appearance in mid 1943 so it seems due to reorganisation of the squadron. It was a fighter group based in Petsamo. I checked their losses and found one that seems most fitting to me. Sadly I didn´t get a direct hit.
04.01.1944 (German way so day, month, year): FW190 A-3 Corporal Josef Brenner Missing in action south of Bremanger.
If you wondered were the main guns went they dissolved due to the metal that they were made of.
Maybe someone can confirm were the wreck was found.
 
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RE: Focke-Wulf FW 190 Recovery Photos

Tue Nov 14, 2006 9:18 pm

The plane was indeed from 12/JG5.It had just taken off from Herdla airfield north of Bergen when the engine developed mechanical problems.According to witnesses in a village that was overflown by the plane,the pilot jettisoned the canopy before ditching the plane in shallow waters.Civilians rowed out and resqued the pilot.Usually,the Luftwaffe offered a sum of money to people who saved German lives but in this case the fishermen refused the money and asked for the release from prison of one of their colleagues.He was in jail for having listened illegaly to radiotransmissions from England. He was released.
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RE: Focke-Wulf FW 190 Recovery Photos

Wed Nov 15, 2006 6:27 pm

Quoting FBU 4EVER! (Reply 7):
Usually,the Luftwaffe offered a sum of money to people who saved German lives but in this case the fishermen refused the money and asked for the release from prison of one of their colleagues.He was in jail for having listened illegaly to radiotransmissions from England. He was released.

That's very interesting, I don't usually associate the occupying German armies as being very friendly to the locals but I guess we're talking about the Wehrmacht here and not the SS. The Occupation would have been over 4 years old at that point, a long time to get pretty relaxed with the locals.
 
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RE: Focke-Wulf FW 190 Recovery Photos

Sat Jan 06, 2007 1:46 am

An update with the behind-the-scenes story, from Flight Journal:

http://www.flightjournal.com/fj/stor...raphics/header/hotnews_subhead#909

Fw 190A-2 Yellow 16 rises from the deep

"December 15, 1943 Fw-190A2 'Yellow 16' took of from the airfield Herdla in Norway. Shortly after takeoff, the pilot experienced engine trouble and had to make a controlled emergency landing on the water near the village of Solsvika west of Bergen. Almost 63 years later, on November 1, 2006, the aircraft got air under its wing again, when it was raised from a depth of 60 meters after a 5 hour recovery operation.

"Local enthusiast knew about this aircraft but the Royal Norwegian Navy vessel KNM Tyr first plotted the exact location on May 11, 2005. The enthusiast formed the “Working Group Fw 190 A2 – Gelbe 16” and began preparations to raise the wreck from the water. Connections with local museums was established and the group gained a mandate from the Norwegian Defence Museum regarding handling and administration of the aircraft which would see it recovered and eventually displayed at its former airfield of Herdla in connection with Herdla Museum.The Working Group was formed by: Geir Tangen, Halvor Sperbund, Ole Sælensminde, Svein Ove Agdestein, Olav Helvik and Ivar Nordland.

"Between May 2005 and June 2006 units from Royal Norwegian Navy led by LtCdr Wiggo Korsvik (Mine & EOD Diving Command with assistance from Royal Norwegian Navy Diving School) conducted several diving expeditions to the aircraft to discern the condition of the wreck and the surrounds in preparation for the lifting of the aircraft. To prevent theft and to gain a picture of the quality of the wreck, the two MG17 guns, along with some cockpit equipment and hatches were recovered. Activity also included the mounting of lifting equipment on the aircraft. From June until September a civilian diving team led by Mr Didrik Venge completed the remainder of the work to rig the aircraft.

"Wednesday November 1, the aircraft was raised. The operation went exactly as planned. The aircraft was lifted onto the former ferry Flekkerøy and transported to the Naval Base Haakonsvern near Bergen. The Naval Base will be hosting the Working Group whilst cleaning and preservation is undertaken up until March 2007. The aircraft will be separated in 6 – 8 main components and place in containers with fresh water to prevent corrosion. When the aircraft parts are cleaned and preserved they will be transported to Herdla museum to make a static display as it is today. There is no plan at the moment to restore the aircraft.

"Fw190 A-2 werk.nr.5425, ‘Yellow 16’ served with 12./JG.5. The pilot was rescued by local fisherman and handed over to German authorities, which in turn released a prisoner held for illegal use of a radio. Several Werk nr have been found on the parts recovered so the actual Werk nr is still open for question. It also have had several tactical markings like, two times Black 6 and one white number before servicing as Gelbe 16, indicating an old war horse that had served with several units. One of the black 6 numbers may be from its time from 11./JG 5 at Sola where it had a accident and had to go through extensive repair. The pilot’s name is at the moment not known but several sources indicate that Kurt Kundrus of 12./JG 5 was the pilot of Gelbe 16 that day. He was later killed while flying with JG 3. The group is looking for information and history regarding 12./JG in Norway, and any help on this matter will be greatly appreciated.
Olve Dybvig odybvig@online.no"

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