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US Senate Approves Selling 100 F-35's To Turkey

Thu Nov 09, 2006 7:30 pm

It is now in the news that ,Turkey's decision to buy 100 F-35's is approved by US senate.Turkey is also participating the programme as a supplier of some airplane parts.

Turkey is planning to replace the modified F4E 2020's with the F35''s and the F16s in the long run.Turkish airforce wanted to continue 160 more F35's in the long run to keep the commonality,but the government looks warm to purchase of Eurofighter to strenghten their hand in membership negotions with EU.
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RE: US Senate Approves Selling 100 F-35's To Turkey

Fri Nov 10, 2006 1:01 am

Good to see some more international clients of the product- I assume they'll just be interested in the land-based version, non VSTOL?

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RE: US Senate Approves Selling 100 F-35's To Turkey

Fri Nov 10, 2006 1:22 am

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 1):
Good to see some more international clients of the product- I assume they'll just be interested in the land-based version, non VSTOL?

You'd think, but on the other hand, it seems that commonality between the F-35A and F-35B would permit acquisition of both types at what ever ratio a particular operator may wish.
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RE: US Senate Approves Selling 100 F-35's To Turkey

Fri Nov 10, 2006 3:31 am

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 1):
assume they'll just be interested in the land-based version, non VSTOL?

As far as the Turkey's needs dictate the planes will be land based.A Vstol type airplane is more needed by a force which is deployed other than its main bases and maybe with the countries have interests outside of its national land.

Geographical position of Turkey itself makes it actually a giant aircraft carrier with 3 sides of the mainland has shores to the most important seas around its region.

So land based airplanes are always interest of the TAF rather than multipurpose one.Anyways addition of F16's were the giant leap for TAF is almost like coming from the medival times to today,F35 will shoot TAF directly among the top airforces in the world.
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RE: US Senate Approves Selling 100 F-35's To Turkey

Fri Nov 10, 2006 3:47 am

Quoting Wing (Reply 3):
F35 will shoot TAF directly among the top airforces in the world.

Agreed. I saw a Turkish news report where some of the F35 production will be allocated to Turkey (midsections for 400?) if they opt for the JSF.

BTW, I didn't know that they had ordered so many F-16s? If all these are delivered what will be the final inventory? 250+?
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RE: US Senate Approves Selling 100 F-35's To Turkey

Fri Nov 10, 2006 6:02 am

Would this make Turkey only the second partner country (next to the UK) to commit to buying the JSF? It may have ripples on the IAF's decision on their 126 fighter acquisition.
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RE: US Senate Approves Selling 100 F-35's To Turkey

Fri Nov 10, 2006 6:18 am

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 4):
BTW, I didn't know that they had ordered so many F-16s? If all these are delivered what will be the final inventory? 250+?

As far as I know the F16's which are produced in the Turkish factory were 360,the the ones delivered ready in the USA are not included.Recently Turkey ordered 55 more F16s (30 of the block 52) to replace its operational losses up to now.
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RE: US Senate Approves Selling 100 F-35's To Turkey

Fri Nov 10, 2006 8:09 am

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 4):

BTW, I didn't know that they had ordered so many F-16s?

You forgot posting in this thread?.....
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RE: US Senate Approves Selling 100 F-35's To Turkey

Fri Nov 10, 2006 8:23 am

Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 7):
You forgot posting in this thread?..

No, but I can't sort out the numbers! That article mentioned Turkey wanted 30 more F-16s and 100 "new fighter aircraft".

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 4):
BTW, I didn't know that they had ordered so many F-16s? If all these are delivered what will be the final inventory? 250+?

This is what I forgot! So another 100 takes them over 350!
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RE: US Senate Approves Selling 100 F-35's To Turkey

Fri Nov 10, 2006 7:17 pm

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 8):
No, but I can't sort out the numbers! That article mentioned Turkey wanted 30 more F-16s and 100 "new fighter aircraft".

Yes I also had the same difficulty to understand the numbers.After a conversation with one of my pilot collegues who very recently retired from the AF,Turkey wants a batch of airplanes to replace the ops.losses so far and the replace the remaining F4Es after the terminator 2020 project cancelled.These will come from the desert storage and will be second hand.

Another batch of F16s which will be block 50 (which numbers are pronounced around 30) will be used to form a new squadron and will be brand new planes.

This is my understanding of the total numbers add up to around 55.The total number of F16s in TAF will be around or higher than 400 with these additions.With the high standard of training and actual combat environment experience TAF makes a real scary opponent for bad guys.
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RE: US Senate Approves Selling 100 F-35's To Turkey

Sat Nov 11, 2006 1:06 am

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 1):
I assume they'll just be interested in the land-based version, non VSTOL?



Quoting N328KF (Reply 2):
You'd think, but on the other hand, it seems that commonality between the F-35A and F-35B would permit acquisition of both types at what ever ratio a particular operator may wish.

It sounds like the TAF wants the F-35A, the land based USAF version. I thought the F-35B was the CV based USN version, and the V/STOL version was the USMC version to be called the F-35C.

Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 5):
Would this make Turkey only the second partner country (next to the UK) to commit to buying the JSF? It may have ripples on the IAF's decision on their 126 fighter acquisition.

The IDF will probibly want a version of the F-22A/B (F-22I?). With the Democrates taking Congress this week, I suspect it will be easier for both the IDF and the JSDF to get the F-22.
 
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RE: US Senate Approves Selling 100 F-35's To Turkey

Sat Nov 11, 2006 4:04 am

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 10):
It sounds like the TAF wants the F-35A, the land based USAF version. I thought the F-35B was the CV based USN version, and the V/STOL version was the USMC version to be called the F-35C.

You have the Lightning B and C swapped.
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RE: US Senate Approves Selling 100 F-35's To Turkey

Sat Nov 11, 2006 8:24 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 10):
easier for both the IDF and the JSDF to get the F-22

Hopefully you can add the RAAF to that list.
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RE: US Senate Approves Selling 100 F-35's To Turkey

Mon Dec 04, 2006 7:04 am

http://www.zaman.com/?bl=economy&alt=&trh=20061203&hn=38903
"Turkey gets a final offer for the Eurofighter."
I guess the saga continues.
 
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RE: US Senate Approves Selling 100 F-35's To Turke

Fri Dec 08, 2006 5:46 am

Also reported here.....

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...er-makes-turkey-an-offer/index.php

Meanwhile, there's this.....

http://www.f-16.net/modules.php?op=m...ame=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=6989

.....and these.....
http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...to+BAE+Systems+Saudi+aircraft.html

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...as+company+fears+fallout+from.html

It seems like both programs have their fair share of aggravations. Might we see Lightnings or Typhoons diverted to Turkey instead?
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RE: US Senate Approves Selling 100 F-35's To Turkey

Fri Dec 08, 2006 8:24 am

Quoting Wing (Thread starter):
the government looks warm to purchase of Eurofighter to strengthen (sic.) their hand in membership negotiations (sic.) with EU.

Planes simply cannot fix that whole headache. Turkey has had a longstanding application; my suspicion is a fighter purchase would not speed up the process.
 
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RE: US Senate Approves Selling 100 F-35's To Turkey

Sat Dec 09, 2006 5:16 am

If I was ordering 100 F-35s I would want a maybe, 70/30 mix of A/B. In today's war, it seems that a regular fighter base would be decimated quickly. I would maintain 20 STOVL bases and move small groups of 2-4 of F-35B around them, keeping a weapon storage at each.

IIRC Canada does something similar to that on a much smaller scale, the CAF sends 2 CF-188s to a far northern base to do periodic patrols of the far northern regions.

In the event of a major attack, either the outlying bases get hit first, warning the main forces of an attack, or the main bases get hit first and the STOVL bases have time to scramble.
 
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RE: US Senate Approves Selling 100 F-35's To Turkey

Thu Dec 28, 2006 11:15 am

http://www.zaman.com/?bl=hotnews&alt=&trh=20061228&hn=39554

Lockheed Martin to upgrade 216 TAF F-16s, and some more interesting news.
 
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RE: US Senate Approves Selling 100 F-35's To Turkey

Sat Jan 20, 2007 5:50 am

So looks like a done deal.
Turkish Secretary of Defence travelling to the US on Monday to sign the papers for the 100 F-35s.
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RE: US Senate Approves Selling 100 F-35's To Turkey

Thu Jan 25, 2007 10:44 pm

http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detaylar.do?load=detay&link=101012

So, only bit of new info is the number of F-35s could be 116 eventually.

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