Regarding the T-38 (A-model), Vso
with 100% flaps ranged from 120 KIAS at the very lightest weights to 144 KIAS at heavier landing weights. Using 1.3 Vso
to determine Vapp
, that puts Vapp
anywhere from 156 KIAS to 187 KIAS.
With no flaps, Vso
ranged from 126 KIAS at the lightest weights to 162 KIAS at heavier landing weights. Again, using the 1.3 Vso
rule, that puts the zero-flap Vapp
anywhere from 164 KIAS to 211 KIAS.
I found the following reference to the F-104 on another board:
No flap speed was 230 kts or 2.5 APC (AOA) whichever was higher, min touch down speed 190 kts.
Very difficult thing to do.......the limit for the chute was 180 kts and the brakes were real crap :yuk:.....very good chance to engage the bliss back barrier...
If for real, you had to eject all the external loads (except tip tanks) and burn the fuel down to 3,500 lbs. Tip tanks actually helped a lot in keeping induced drag under control.
Normal landing speed with full flaps was 175 kts + fuel correction ~ 5 kts for each 1,000 lbs above 1,000 lbs*....usually 185-190 kts, min touch down speed 150 kts....other difficult thing to do...
*I'm not 100% sure though....my last flight on the 104 dates back in 1995.
High key, for training, at 27,000', 260 kts, flaps TO and speedbrake out to simulate the open nozzles....gear down over the numbers or earlier if too high.
p.s. the above speeds are tipical of the S model...