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First Flight Of U.S.C.G. HC-235A

Fri Nov 10, 2006 12:55 pm

http://www.uscg.mil/deepwater/media/sept06/newsletter_sept06-05.htm
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First Flight for the New Medium Range Maritime Patrol Aircraft (MPA) HC-235A

By Thomas J. Esposito, Coast Guard Aviation Programs
Naval Air Systems, Patuxent River, Md.

Six Coast Guard pilots arrived in Seville, Spain and commenced 22 days of Maritime Patrol Aircraft (MPA) ground training on Sept. 28. Flight training is scheduled for Oct. 30 and will last approximately 12 days.

On July 20, Coast Guard test pilot Lt. Robert Barthelmes pilot flew the MPA (HC-235A) for the first time as part of intensive flight testing at the manufacturers' facility in Seville. Lt. Barthelmes joined the EADS-CASA flight test team for two flights that evaluated auto-pilot gains and aerodynamic drag counts.

The HC-235A was designed and built by EADS-CASA of Spain and was procured by Integrated Coast Guard Systems as part of the Deepwater program. This aircraft is expected to serve the Coast Guard for the next 40 years following deliver in 2007.
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RE: First Flight Of U.S.C.G. HC-235A

Fri Nov 10, 2006 1:15 pm



Cool....it's always nice to see some variety (and mission-specific aircraft) in the US military. Do you have any idea how many the USCG will ultimately acquire?


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RE: First Flight Of U.S.C.G. HC-235A

Fri Nov 10, 2006 1:50 pm

http://www.uscg.mil/deepwater/system/mpa.htm

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EADS CASA CN 235-300M
Number Planned: 36
Maximum Cruising Speed: 236 KTAS
Maximum Range: 1,565 NM (MPA Configured)
Range with Payload: (6000 lbs) 575 NM (Cargo Configured)
Endurance: 8.7 hours
Length: 70.2 FT
Wing Span: 84.7 FT
Cabin Length: 31.6 FT
Cabin Height: 6.1 FT
Cabin Width Max Width: 8.9 FT, Floor Width: 7.7 FT
Maximum Take-off Weight: 36,380 lbs
Maximum Landing Weight: 36,380 lbs
Engines: (2) General Electric CT7-9C3 Turboprop Engines
Propellers: Hamilton Standard 14RF-37 (Four Blades)

36 planned as of right now. Which is good because that means they are going to need a lot more pilots so I may be joining up at a good time for pilots! Big grin
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RE: First Flight Of U.S.C.G. HC-235A

Fri Nov 10, 2006 1:56 pm



Well keep us posted on your progress, and best of luck! I suspect the oral exams will be pretty simple on that thing:

Examiner: What should you do when this button on the overhead turns red?

You: Uh...press it so it turns green.

Examiner: Good. Now, what if this other one turns red?

You: Oh, I'd press it. That way, the red light will go out, and will be replaced by a green light.

Examiner: Excellent. I think that just about wraps up abnormal procedures. Now let's talk about regs...

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RE: First Flight Of U.S.C.G. HC-235A

Sat Nov 11, 2006 12:22 am

It is good to see our USCG friends finally getting in some of the Deepwater hardwear. The HC-235 will be a great asset for them. But, will it replace some of their HC-130Hs?
 
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RE: First Flight Of U.S.C.G. HC-235A

Sat Nov 11, 2006 12:46 am

I dont think it's to replace their HC-130's, but their HU-25 fleet.. For the type of missions they HU-25 does, a turboprop aircraft fits in perfectly.
 
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RE: First Flight Of U.S.C.G. HC-235A

Sat Nov 11, 2006 4:03 am

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 4):
It is good to see our USCG friends finally getting in some of the Deepwater hardwear

In addition to the HC-235, the christening of their very first National Security Cutter (NSC) USCGC Bertholf WMSL 750 is tomorrow (11/11/06).
http://www.uscg.mil/deepwater/
*construction photo gallery on the right under the small picture of the cutter*
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RE: First Flight Of U.S.C.G. HC-235A

Sat Nov 11, 2006 3:50 pm

is this a/c meant as a replacment for another type or is it just there to supplement the current fleet?
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RE: First Flight Of U.S.C.G. HC-235A

Sun Nov 12, 2006 4:47 am

Quoting Cancidas (Reply 7):
is this a/c meant as a replacment for another type or is it just there to supplement the current fleet?

Supplement for now and then I believe will be the replacement for the HU-25 Falcon
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RE: First Flight Of U.S.C.G. HC-235A

Sun Nov 12, 2006 12:29 pm

aren't the falcon fairly new?
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RE: First Flight Of U.S.C.G. HC-235A

Sun Nov 12, 2006 1:16 pm

The newest ones were delivered in 1983. They have gone through several upgrades over the years and now most are HU-25C models.
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RE: First Flight Of U.S.C.G. HC-235A

Mon Nov 13, 2006 10:10 am

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 4):
It is good to see our USCG friends finally getting in some of the Deepwater hardwear. The HC-235 will be a great asset for them. But, will it replace some of their HC-130Hs?

Not completely. However, most of the older 130's will be replaced by this aircraft, and it is a tragedy. Like most of the Deepwater program - too little, too late, and not enough.
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RE: First Flight Of U.S.C.G. HC-235A

Mon Nov 13, 2006 10:45 am

Quoting Cancidas (Reply 9):
aren't the falcon fairly new?

I am not knocking the Falcon 20 airframe, but the USCG did goof by going to those one-off engines that the aircraft has.

Either replace them or put some actual normal Garretts on the aircraft.

And as far as the CASA, I hope that they are supplements rather then replacements.

The rear tailgate will be invaluable to the rescue mission that has been neglected since they became part of homeland security.
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RE: First Flight Of U.S.C.G. HC-235A

Mon Nov 13, 2006 11:00 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 12):
Quoting Cancidas (Reply 9):aren't the falcon fairly new?
I am not knocking the Falcon 20 airframe, but the USCG did goof by going to those one-off engines that the aircraft has.

Either replace them or put some actual normal Garretts on the aircraft.

Actually, I believe that the Falcons were originally delivered with Garretts - ATF3-6-2C Turbofan - which were notoriously unreliable. IIRC, the problem with those engines is that they weren't designed for the operating envelope intended by the Coast Guard.
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RE: First Flight Of U.S.C.G. HC-235A

Mon Nov 13, 2006 11:08 am

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 13):
Actually, I believe that the Falcons were originally delivered with Garretts - ATF3-6-2C Turbofan - which were notoriously unreliable

Yes, exactly....AFAIK they are the only aircraft to ever use that engine.

So what the USCG should do if they want to keep the airplane is service is send them back to France and have Dassault install the TFE731 on the factory SB that a lot of Falcon 20's are being modified on.
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RE: First Flight Of U.S.C.G. HC-235A

Mon Nov 13, 2006 11:11 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 14):
Quoting Halls120 (Reply 13):Actually, I believe that the Falcons were originally delivered with Garretts - ATF3-6-2C Turbofan - which were notoriously unreliable
Yes, exactly....AFAIK they are the only aircraft to ever use that engine.

So what the USCG should do if they want to keep the airplane is service is send them back to France and have Dassault install the TFE731 on the factory SB that a lot of Falcon 20's are being modified on.

I'm sure the Coast Guard picked the engine they did because it was the cheapest option at the time - operating capabilities be damned.

When the CASA decision was announced, I asked one of my classmates who works on deepwater why the F the Coast Guard didn't just buy more C-130's. The answer - supposedly couldn't afford them.
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RE: First Flight Of U.S.C.G. HC-235A

Mon Nov 13, 2006 11:21 am

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 15):
The answer - supposedly couldn't afford them.

Don't expect THAT to change.  Yeah sure

The truth is, people bitch about spending so much money on the military, when in reality it needs to be increased at least on the order of 25% - DHS Coast Guard budget included.

And with the recent political changes, I highly doubt we'll see ANY increase funding.  no 

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RE: First Flight Of U.S.C.G. HC-235A

Mon Nov 13, 2006 11:44 am




Quoting Halls120 (Reply 13):
IIRC, the problem with those engines is that they weren't designed for the operating envelope intended by the Coast Guard.

I don't think anything on the Falcon was designed for the operating envelope intended by the Coast Guard....



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RE: First Flight Of U.S.C.G. HC-235A

Mon Nov 13, 2006 11:51 am

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 17):

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 13):IIRC, the problem with those engines is that they weren't designed for the operating envelope intended by the Coast Guard.
I don't think anything on the Falcon was designed for the operating envelope intended by the Coast Guard....

Back in the 80's, Air Station Sacramento was one of the first A/S to get the Falcon. They had four, and were lucky to be able to keep one flying. Their responsiveness was so bad that one morning at the Area staff conference, the CoS remarked that we should offer the Coast Guard version of the missing man formation at the then-upcoming fleet week celebration - a formation of one CG Falcon. Needless to say that all of us shipdrivers had a good laugh.
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RE: First Flight Of U.S.C.G. HC-235A

Tue Dec 12, 2006 2:48 pm

DID reports that the USCG's Deepwater program has encountered turbulence, although most of the criticism was leveled at seaborne assets.....

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...-hits-more-rough-sailing/index.php

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"a fleet-wide recapitalization is becoming an urgent priority given its new domestic security responsibilities. That effort is being handled as an integrated, multi-year $25 billion project called Deepwater that encompasses everything from long-range patrol aircraft and UAVs, to new communications and computing backbones, to new ship designs. Integrated Coast Guard Systems (ICGS), a joint venture between Lockheed Martin and Northrop Grumman, has been serving as the program's overall system-of-systems integrator.

Deepwater has been fraught with difficulties since the program's inception. The Coast Guard was guaranteed a rough ride due to the issues with its existing fleet and lower status than the military services,"


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RE: First Flight Of U.S.C.G. HC-235A

Wed Dec 13, 2006 2:34 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 14):
So what the USCG should do if they want to keep the airplane is service is send them back to France and have Dassault install the TFE731 on the factory SB that a lot of Falcon 20's are being modified on.

Lockheed had a contract to reengine the USCG Falcons and they blew an incredible amount of money, accomplishing nothing. The USCG has attempted to restart this effort, using other companies, but haven't been able to come up with more money.

The ATF3s were a very risky choice at the time they were selected. The engines were orphans, having been designed for low-observable aircraft (you can't see the turbine by looking up the tailpipe, due to the "inside out" design).
 
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RE: First Flight Of U.S.C.G. HC-235A

Wed Dec 13, 2006 11:07 am

Quoting Aeroweanie (Reply 20):
Lockheed had a contract to reengine the USCG Falcons and they blew an incredible amount of money, accomplishing nothing. The USCG has attempted to restart this effort, using other companies, but haven't been able to come up with more money.

This is what is completely pathetic, Dassault has an SB to re-engine civilian ones with TFE-731's allready.
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RE: First Flight Of U.S.C.G. HC-235A

Fri Jan 19, 2007 1:45 pm

Update:

Flightglobal reports that the USCG's first HC-144A was delivered to Elizabeth City, North Carolina.....

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...i-mission-aircraft-arrives-in.html

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"EADS CASA is supplying the aircraft under contract to the Integrated Coast Guard Systems (ICGS) a joint venture of Lockheed Martin and Northrop Grumman, with three HC-144As currently under contract and a requirment for 36 aircraft until the year 2017."
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RE: First Flight Of U.S.C.G. HC-235A

Thu May 03, 2007 2:58 am

Probably still wincing from being booted, LockMart nonetheless has placed additional orders for five HC-144A maritime patrol aircraft from EADS CASA for the USCG's Deepwater Program.....

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...ther-order-for-us-coast-guard.html

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"Lockheed Martin has ordered a further five EADS CASA HC-235A planes for the US Coast Guard's Deepwater Program. The aircraft, which will be delivered to Lockheed Martin through year 2008, take the number of CN-235 planes ordered so far for the program to eight."
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