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Is The U.S.C.G. Considered "Military"

Mon Nov 13, 2006 3:19 am

We were having this discussion over on a Non-Av thread, and not wanting to derail that thread, I'm moving the discussion over here.

Basically we were discussing whether or not the United States Coast Guard was considered a military service branch. It's not intended to be a slight against those serving in the USCG - because lets face it, intentionally taking your boat into a storm at sea, to save a stricken ship... takes balls.

The USCG pre-9/11 was controlled under the US Dept of Transportation, and now falls under the US Dept of Homeland Security. They're not DoD. And if we're going to argue that they are military based on the fact that they're doing a dangerous mission, protecting the country, etc... well quite a few government agencies also fall under that argument. The FBI, Boarder Patrol/Customs, ATF, DEA, etc...

So on Veterans Day, how come we don't see people paying respect to the USCG? How come at DoD ceremonies there are only 4 Service Flags visible? Why don't they have a JCS slot? Can people who served in the USCG be buried in military cemeteries?

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Mon Nov 13, 2006 3:25 am

When I was at Boot camp, for the Navy ('91); we were taught the USCG became a part of the military during "times of war."
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Mon Nov 13, 2006 3:37 am

Quoting P3Orion (Reply 1):
When I was at Boot camp, for the Navy ('91); we were taught the USCG became a part of the military during "times of war."

As was I several years earlier. I think that they ought to be considered a DoD component. They deploy to areas of the World other then the Coasts of the US...
I've seen them in the Gulf steaming side by side with other ships of the World's Navies, doing their part in the War on Terrorism. Last night here in San Diego I heard their HH60 turning well into the night, near Midnight, and that tells me that they also work long hours here 'on the beach' at home... just like the rest of the MILITARY!!!!
     

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RE: Is The U.S.C.G. Considered "Military"

Mon Nov 13, 2006 3:39 am

The USCG is a full US Military service. During peace time, they are not assigned to the DOD. That is because the USCG has a significant law enforcement mission and the DOD is not allowed (by the possie comlatdy act of 1867) into law enforcement. True, the NG and ANG units do, but only when not activated into active service, and still under state control.

During war time, the POTUS can order the USCG to be assigned to the USN. We last did this during WWII, when the USCG picked up convoy escort missions, ASW, and just about every landing craft that stromed the beaches of the Pacific and in Europe was piloted by a Coastie. The Coast Guard also sailed destroyers, destroyer escorts, cargo ships, tankers, supply ships, and a few PT Boats.

During WWII, a Coastie landing craft pilot was posthumosly awarded the MOH for rescueing 35 Marines from a beach on Guadlecanal. So far he is the only USCG member to be awarded the Medal of Honor.

In some cities and states, they do show the USCG as one of 5 US Military Branches on Veterans Day and Memorial Day. They don't have a JCS position because the JCS is a DOD department, and the CG is not part of the DOD, unless during war time, then they are represented by the CNO. Yes, Coasties can be buried in any National Cemetery.

Today, we have Coasties assigned to USN warships in the Persian Gulf, and they do ship boardings. Coasties also help protect oil platforms in the Gulf. To date, 6 or 7 Coasties have given their lives in OIF.

The Coast Guard has not only the rescue mission, but law enforcement, as well as a wartime mission.
 
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RE: Is The U.S.C.G. Considered "Military"

Mon Nov 13, 2006 3:57 am

Quoting StudeDave (Reply 2):



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 3):
Today, we have Coasties assigned to USN warships in the Persian Gulf, and they do ship boardings. Coasties also help protect oil platforms in the Gulf. To date, 6 or 7 Coasties have given their lives in OIF.

I've worked with some federal agents here in Iraq. I remember a few FBI guys were working out here a few months ago. And there are always CIA spooks coming and going. All of those guys were working far from home, in a war zone, fighting for their country... are they military?

And if Canada invaded tomorrow (HA! Wouldn't that be a sight!) couldn't POTUS order the boarder patrol to fall under the DoD? Would they then also because a "military" branch? And here's another question - during times of war, when the USCG falls under the DoD... who controls their budget? Is it the DoD or still DHS? And lastly, does the USCG fall under UCMJ?

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RE: Is The U.S.C.G. Considered "Military"

Mon Nov 13, 2006 3:58 am

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 3):
In some cities and states, they do show the USCG as one of 5 US Military Branches on Veterans Day and Memorial Day.

The only reason some don't is because they don't know any better. And although I GUESS I can understand their ignorance on the subject, it still pisses me off. I even went to a memorial day service at a cemetery once with my dad and they played the armed forces medley and got the Coast Guard Anthem WRONG! Most music downloading programs have that version on them with the wrong CG part.

And as KC135 said, the CG is one of the FIVE branches of the Armed Services. I have some thing at home that said it became official in the 1960's by some Congressional Act.
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Mon Nov 13, 2006 4:44 am

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The Coast Guard as established January 28, 1915, shall be a military service and a branch of the armed forces of the United States at all times. The Coast Guard shall be a service in the Department of Homeland Security, except when operating as a service in the Navy.

US Code Title 14, Section 1

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/ht...4/usc_sec_14_00000001----000-.html

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Upon the declaration of war or when the President directs, the Coast Guard shall operate as a service in the Navy, and shall so continue until the President, by Executive order, transfers the Coast Guard back to the Department of Homeland Security. While operating as a service in the Navy, the Coast Guard shall be subject to the orders of the Secretary of the Navy who may order changes in Coast Guard operations to render them uniform, to the extent he deems advisable, with Navy operations.

US Code Title 14, Section 3

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/ht...4/usc_sec_14_00000003----000-.html
 
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Mon Nov 13, 2006 4:47 am

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As members of a military service, Coast Guardsmen on active and reserve service are subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice and receive the same pay and allowances as members of the same pay grades in the other four armed services.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Coast_Guard

I suppose that settles it then. What's odd - and what sparked me to ask this question - was last Friday, we were sitting around the QRF, room and Armed Forces Network was airing the Veteran's Day ceremony at the Pentagon.

...There was no mention, nor any visible presence of, the USCG. Does the CG have a Honor Guard in DC? Another thing I found interesting when I was reading that article, "Of the 40 largest navies in the world, the Coast Guard's is the 38th oldest."  Wow!

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RE: Is The U.S.C.G. Considered "Military"

Mon Nov 13, 2006 5:30 am

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 7):
Does the CG have a Honor Guard in DC?

Funny you should ask, their picture is on the USCG home page right now welcoming the Mexican Sec. of the Navy to HQ in DC.
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RE: Is The U.S.C.G. Considered "Military"

Mon Nov 13, 2006 5:54 am

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 4):
does the USCG fall under UCMJ?

Yes.

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 7):
"Of the 40 largest navies in the world, the Coast Guard's is the 38th oldest."

I terms of number of ships/boats, the USCG is larger than the USN. But, it only has about 45,000 people, about 10% the size of the USN.
 
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Mon Nov 13, 2006 7:18 am

Military? Ask the "brown water navy" personnel from Vietnam!
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Mon Nov 13, 2006 7:32 am

Quoting TPAnx (Reply 10):
Ask the "brown water navy" personnel from Vietnam!

The name "brown water Navy" refers to actual US Navy units, not to Coast Guard. (I know, I rode on PBRs for "fun" during my time in Vietnam.) They had units in the Mekong delta and, I believe all along the coastal waters. The Coast Guard was also in Vietnam but unrelated to this Navy activity.
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Mon Nov 13, 2006 8:38 am

Hey, UH60 if you're lucky Halls120 won't see this thread, I believe he is a USCGA grad, and served 20 plus years. Two brothers served in the USCG, and yes they are military, the CG bootcamp back in the 70's would make the Army/Air Force/Navy look like a day in the park.
 
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Mon Nov 13, 2006 9:28 am

Quoting AirCop (Reply 12):
the CG bootcamp back in the 70's would make the Army/Air Force/Navy look like a day in the park.

I would imagine USCG OCS is the same way today

USCG OCS: 17 weeks
USA OCS: 14 weeks
USAF BOT: 12 weeks
USN OCS: 12 weeks
USMC OCS: 10 weeks (although I believe there is another part of it in the field that is longer and tougher than all of the above)
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Mon Nov 13, 2006 10:06 am

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
Is The U.S.C.G. Considered "Military"

Not by the other 4 branches.

Quoting TPAnx (Reply 10):
Military? Ask the "brown water navy" personnel from Vietnam!

Navy units, as SlamClick has already mentioned.

Quoting AirCop (Reply 12):
the CG bootcamp back in the 70's would make the Army/Air Force/Navy look like a day in the park.

You're kidding me right? I'll debate this any damn day of the week.  yes 
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Mon Nov 13, 2006 10:07 am

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
Basically we were discussing whether or not the United States Coast Guard was considered a military service branch.

Boy, this one gets real old.

10 USC 101(a)(4) "The term "armed forces" means the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, and Coast Guard."

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
So on Veterans Day, how come we don't see people paying respect to the USCG?

Because there are a huge number of people who don't understand the role of the Coast Guard. During my active duty career, I can't tell you how many times I had to tell Army and Air Force lawyers that yes, the Coast Guard was part of the Armed Forces and subject to the UCMJ. Never had that problem with the Navy and Marines.

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
Can people who served in the USCG be buried in military cemeteries?

yes.

Quoting P3Orion (Reply 1):
When I was at Boot camp, for the Navy ('91); we were taught the USCG became a part of the military during "times of war."

You were taught wrong. What your DI probably meant to refer to is the statutory provision that allows the President to move the Coast Guard from the department in which it is operating to the Department of the Navy.
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RE: Is The U.S.C.G. Considered "Military"

Mon Nov 13, 2006 10:42 am

Quoting FlyUSCG (Reply 13):

Whoa there junior... if you're gonna start a dick measuring contest, make sure you get your facts straight.

All four branches require OCS civilian recruits to go to basic training first. And the USA/USMC requires ALL OCS recruits to attend BOLC (pronounce Bow-Lick) which is 6weeks long, just prior to attending OCS.

So in all fairness none of those figures accurately depict the true commitment it takes for any of those branches. The Army and the Marines, for example, require their officers to attend BOLC - a 6 week course in infantry tactics. And there is something to be said about quality of training verse total time of training! Take the AF for example.  Wink A few there officers were telling me that they didn't have midnight suicide runs, chow hall rights, tac-ally procedures, etc. (All of which is found at USA OCS/WOCS) ...Their training reflected the branch as a whole - laid back!  devil 

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Mon Nov 13, 2006 11:03 am

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 14):
Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):Is The U.S.C.G. Considered "Military"
Not by the other 4 branches.

No excusing others ignorance, of course.  biggrin 

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 14):
Quoting AirCop (Reply 12):the CG bootcamp back in the 70's would make the Army/Air Force/Navy look like a day in the park.
You're kidding me right? I'll debate this any damn day of the week.

I'm with Usnseallt82 on this one. CG boot camp has never been any more rigorous than the other services, and clearly not the equal of the Marine experience.
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Mon Nov 13, 2006 11:18 am

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 17):
No excusing others ignorance, of course.

No comment.  Big grin
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Mon Nov 13, 2006 11:24 am

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 17):
I'm with Usnseallt82 on this one. CG boot camp has never been any more rigorous than the other services, and clearly not the equal of the Marine experience.

Oh come'on Halls! The USAF basic training program is BRUTAL! I even heard their drill instructors woke the recruits up at.... 0600!!! That's HARSH!

 rotfl 

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 18):
No comment.

Pfff... we all know what goes on at Navy boot camp. I hear knee pads are standard issue.  Wink

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Mon Nov 13, 2006 11:29 am

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 19):
Pfff... we all know what goes on at Navy boot camp. I hear knee pads are standard issue.

At least we know the gender of our recruits. Can't say the same for most Army women.  Big grin
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Mon Nov 13, 2006 11:41 am

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 20):
Can't say the same for most Army women.

Tell me about it.  vomit  That's why I married a civilian. And as she puts it, "I have no issues with you working and flying with females. I've met them. I'm not worried."

Although... when I was at AIT at Fort Eustis... it was integrated training with females. And I admit I was fooling around with a couple of them. Of course so was probably 1/2 of the entire base. **shrugs**

Funny thing is - had that been a Navy base, I probably would have had those chicks all to myself.  Wink Considering the typical sailor (**cough Usnseallt82) wouldn't know what to do with a female, even if I drew him a map, and lit the path with some chem-lites!

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Mon Nov 13, 2006 11:47 am

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 19):
Quoting Halls120 (Reply 17):I'm with Usnseallt82 on this one. CG boot camp has never been any more rigorous than the other services, and clearly not the equal of the Marine experience.
Oh come'on Halls! The USAF basic training program is BRUTAL! I even heard their drill instructors woke the recruits up at.... 0600!!! That's HARSH!

as proud as I am to have been a coastie, I will never understand why the service refuses to institute mandatory physical fitness standards for active duty personnel.

so while I might agree that CG boot camp is harder than the slackers in teh air force, at least they have an annual PFT, which is more than I can say about the CG.

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 20):
Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 19):Pfff... we all know what goes on at Navy boot camp. I hear knee pads are standard issue.
At least we know the gender of our recruits. Can't say the same for most Army women. Ê

Years ago I was the assigned prosecutor for a Coast Guard training center that had no lawyers assigned. It wasn't boot camp, but one of the "A" schools for advanced enlisted training. Anyway, the cooks school was undergoing a bad run of students being kicked out for homosexuality, and as such I was a frequent visitor to the command. I always tried to eat lunch at the school, because the product was usually quite good. So one day I'm out there and the Master Chief of schools sees me and his face drops. I said relax, Master Chief, it's the Radioman's school this time. I never saw a happier guy than that E-9.
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Mon Nov 13, 2006 11:48 am

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 21):
And as she puts it, "I have no issues with you working and flying with females. I've met them. I'm not worried."

Likewise.  Big grin

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 21):
Considering the typical sailor (**cough Usnseallt82) wouldn't know what to do with a female, even if I drew him a map, and lit the path with some chem-lites!

Not a damn thing wrong with a chem-lite lit path.  Big grin
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Mon Nov 13, 2006 12:16 pm

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 23):
Not a damn thing wrong with a chem-lite lit path.

Yeah but the question is... would you know what to do at the end of the path?  scratchchin  The anatomy is a bit different than what they taught you in Navy basic.  Wink

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 22):
at least they have an annual PFT, which is more than I can say about the CG.

Seriously? WTF is up with that? We've got a PFT every 90 days, even in Iraq.

"Here Private Snuffy."
"What's this, sir?"
"It's a Kevlar Helmet and a PFT uniform, Snuffy."
"...I know that, sir. But why do I need a PFT uniform AND a k-pot?"
"Because today you're having a PT test..."
"A PT test, sir? While weaing a k-pot?"
"Damn right, Snuffy. Don't you know there are constant mortar attacks? Now get running shit-for-brains, you've got 14 minutes to complete your two mile run. Starting..... NOW!"
***flash forward 5 minutes as Snuffy is running his 2mile in the 130degree heat**
"Fuck this. I should have joined the Coast Guard."


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Mon Nov 13, 2006 12:33 pm

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 24):
Quoting Halls120 (Reply 22):at least they have an annual PFT, which is more than I can say about the CG.
Seriously? WTF is up with that? We've got a PFT every 90 days, even in Iraq.

"Here Private Snuffy."
"What's this, sir?"
"It's a Kevlar Helmet and a PFT uniform, Snuffy."
"...I know that, sir. But why do I need a PFT uniform AND a k-pot?"
"Because today you're having a PT test..."
"A PT test, sir? While weaing a k-pot?"
"Damn right, Snuffy. Don't you know there are constant mortar attacks? Now get running shit-for-brains, you've got 14 minutes to complete your two mile run. Starting..... NOW!"
***flash forward 5 minutes as Snuffy is running his 2mile in the 130degree heat**
"Fuck this. I should have joined the Coast Guard."

Sad but true.

After the first Gulf War, the Chief Medical Officer of the Coast Guard delivered a report to the Commandant, Admiral Kime. He noted that the poor physical condition of the Coast Guardsman assigned to the US forces in theatre was a problem, and recommended that the CG adopt mandatory PFT standards. Because ADM Kime was - as most other CG admirals at the time - a fat f*ck who hadn't taken care of himself after commissioning, the recommendation was rejected.

Look at photos of the current Commandant, ADM Allen. He is losing weight, but when you look at photos of him during Katrina, when he was LGEN Honore's deputy, it was embarrassing how fat he was.

During my entire career, I took pride in being able to still max out the PT test required of all cadets at graduation from the Academy. Sadly, that isn't the norm for most coasties.
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Mon Nov 13, 2006 11:19 pm

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 21):
Funny thing is - had that been a Navy base, I probably would have had those chicks all to myself. Considering the typical sailor (**cough Usnseallt82) wouldn't know what to do with a female, even if I drew him a map, and lit the path with some chem-lites!

You know whats funny about this? When I was at Mayport, we would go up to Ft. Stewart(sp?) in Ga. and nail all the wives whose hubbys were "in the field". The army guys never suspected a thing, thought we were "safe" around their women.  bigthumbsup 

I will say the Coasties do require a bit of a different standard to get in.---You must be 6 feet tall, just in case the boat sinks---you can stand up.  Smile

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Mon Nov 13, 2006 11:25 pm

Quoting Sprout5199 (Reply 26):
I will say the Coasties do require a bit of a different standard to get in.---You must be 6 feet tall, just in case the boat sinks---you can stand up.

Dan in Jupiter



Quoting Sprout5199 (Reply 26):
You know whats funny about this? When I was at Mayport, we would go up to Ft. Stewart(sp?) in Ga. and nail all the wives whose hubbys were "in the field". The army guys never suspected a thing, thought we were "safe" around their women.

I will say the Coasties do require a bit of a different standard to get in.---You must be 6 feet tall, just in case the boat sinks---you can stand up.

Dan in Jupiter

You know what was funny about being in New London? Every time a sub would leave on six month deployment, we cadets had a field day with submarine widows.

It works both ways, Dan!  biggrin 

BTW - and this is a true fact - when the Navy, that august group of "sailors," decided to re-rig the USS Constitution and actually sail it during their annual turn around crew, they had to send the crew down to New London so that the USCGC Eagle's permanent party crew could teach them how to sail.

And next time you see a Navy ship take a pilot to enter and leave his/her own home port, know that CG Commanding Officers the world over are laughing. No self respecting Coastie would ever need a pilot to enter his/her own home port!
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Mon Nov 13, 2006 11:41 pm

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 24):
"Here Private Snuffy."
"What's this, sir?"
"It's a Kevlar Helmet and a PFT uniform, Snuffy."
"...I know that, sir. But why do I need a PFT uniform AND a k-pot?"
"Because today you're having a PT test..."
"A PT test, sir? While weaing a k-pot?"
"Damn right, Snuffy. Don't you know there are constant mortar attacks? Now get running shit-for-brains, you've got 14 minutes to complete your two mile run. Starting..... NOW!"
***flash forward 5 minutes as Snuffy is running his 2mile in the 130degree heat**
"Fuck this. I should have joined the Coast Guard."

WTF?! That's is just wrong!!












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Tue Nov 14, 2006 2:08 am

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 27):
You know what was funny about being in New London? Every time a sub would leave on six month deployment, we cadets had a field day with submarine widows.

Ahhh the "west-pac widows", did a few myself. One reason I didnt get married when I was in.

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 27):
And next time you see a Navy ship take a pilot to enter and leave his/her own home port, know that CG Commanding Officers the world over are laughing. No self respecting Coastie would ever need a pilot to enter his/her own home port!

I believe it is regulations. I know we never had a pilot when we pulled into Mayport(not that it was so far down the St Johns river).I know when we went through the Suez canal we had to have "electricians" onboard just in case we lost power to steering. Didnt let them leave the helo-hanger but had to have them.

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 27):
BTW - and this is a true fact - when the Navy, that august group of "sailors," decided to re-rig the USS Constitution and actually sail it during their annual turn around crew, they had to send the crew down to New London so that the USCGC Eagle's permanent party crew could teach them how to sail.

This I believe,BUT not to learn how to "sail" but how to "sail a tall ship".

I liked the Coasties we had onboard for LEO ops, good guys, knew their shit. I have the same amount of ribbons from the CG as the Navy(2 each).

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RE: Is The U.S.C.G. Considered "Military"

Tue Nov 14, 2006 2:46 am

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 15):
10 USC 101(a)(4) "The term "armed forces" means the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, and Coast Guard."

This was such a funny thread, I hate to post this...

When I was AD USAF, they taught us the the USMC fell under the Department of the Navy, and the USCG fell under the Department of Treasury.

Thinsg change, now back to those "widows"...
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RE: Is The U.S.C.G. Considered "Military"

Thu Nov 16, 2006 3:57 am

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 4):
I've worked with some federal agents here in Iraq. I remember a few FBI guys were working out here a few months ago. And there are always CIA spooks coming and going. All of those guys were working far from home, in a war zone, fighting for their country... are they military?

No, they're not.
FBI is federal police and counter intel, civilian.
CIA is intel, also civilian.
Both can and have been deployed abroad both overtly and covertly, but not as part of the armed forces.
They're no more military than the guys driving bulldozers for construction firms hired to repair roads.

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 11):
The name "brown water Navy" refers to actual US Navy units, not to Coast Guard.

Actually, it's a generic term for any naval force operating primarilly in the litoral zone and inland waterways.
Most of the USCG is brown water, operating harbour and fishery patrols and the like.
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RE: Is The U.S.C.G. Considered "Military"

Thu Nov 16, 2006 4:05 am

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 31):
No, they're not.

I know Jwenting... it was a rhetorical question.  Yeah sure

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 31):
Actually, it's a generic term for any naval force operating primarilly in the litoral zone and inland waterways.
Most of the USCG is brown water, operating harbour and fishery patrols and the like.

I'm pretty sure Slammy was referring to the b.water navy of Vietnam, specifically. And while the USCG participated in that war, they were not part of the Navy's Task Force 117 MRF --- which affectionately became known as the Brown Water Navy, during the war.

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RE: Is The U.S.C.G. Considered "Military"

Fri Nov 17, 2006 6:44 am

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 32):
I know Jwenting... it was a rhetorical question.

You never know. So many ignorant kids here thinking every American outside the US is a soldier for the Bushitlerite Halliburton Zionist world domination conspiracy army.
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RE: Is The U.S.C.G. Considered "Military"

Fri Nov 17, 2006 6:47 am

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 33):
You never know. So many ignorant kids here thinking every American outside the US is a soldier for the Bushitlerite Halliburton Zionist world domination conspiracy army.

Yeah... and I've given the impression that I am one of those. I understand. Easy mistake to make.  Yeah sure

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RE: Is The U.S.C.G. Considered "Military"

Sat Nov 18, 2006 1:33 am

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You never know. So many ignorant kids here thinking every American outside the US is a soldier for the Bushitlerite Halliburton Zionist world domination conspiracy army.



Glad to see we arent the only ones with stupid kids. Kids here think the Dutch come from Dutchland....

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RE: Is The U.S.C.G. Considered "Military"

Sat Nov 18, 2006 7:59 am

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 32):
I'm pretty sure Slammy was referring to the b.water navy of Vietnam

You are correct sir, and I am understandably reluctant to honor other claims to the title.
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RE: Is The U.S.C.G. Considered "Military"

Sat Nov 18, 2006 1:01 pm

IMO, and by statute, the USCG is as much a part of the military as any other. Having worked with a lot of great "Coasties" in the Caribbean I can tell you they are no different - by that I mean no worse or no better - than any other branch of the US Military. Dedicated, professional, competent, brave and intelligent. It was my pleasure to work with them . . . especially those at Punta Salinas in San Juan.
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RE: Is The U.S.C.G. Considered "Military"

Sat Nov 18, 2006 3:35 pm

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especially those at Punta Salinas in San Juan


I loved every min of the 8 years I spent down there. To give you an idea how dedicated these folks are, they needed a place to land the Choppers bringing in drugs and survivors fished from the Mona Passage. So they poured a concrete pad on the beach. When the FAA said it wasnt legal they said, oh thats not a helo pad, thats our volleyball court...Choppers were still rolling in daily last I was there.
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RE: Is The U.S.C.G. Considered "Military"

Sun Nov 19, 2006 4:25 am

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 24):
Seriously? WTF is up with that? We've got a PFT every 90 days, even in Iraq.

... errr Air Force does the same.

As for Air Force basic there is no need for the "strenuous" training that the Marines and Army go through - most of the Air Force enlisted end up in non-physically intensive jobs. Now when you talk about enlisted men/enlisted women branching Security, Combat Rescue, Combat Controller, TACP... you are at LEAST on the same level as the Army's basic. Combat Controllers, Combat Rescue and TACP go to Airbone, Ranger and Air Assault school.

... we are also known as the Chair Force for a reason.

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