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Embraer Mulling C-130 Size Airlifter?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 3:32 am

Flightglobal reports that Embraer is mulling the possible development of a C-130 sized tactical airlifter to diversify its product line.....

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...-130-sized+tactical+airlifter.html

The powerplants reportedly under consideration for this study which Embraer wouldn't confirm, are Pratt & Whitney's PW6000 and Rolls Royce's BR715. Interesting that a turbofan is being eyed versus the turboprop alternative.

If this capital-intensive project pushes through, it would be a competitor to Airbus' delayed A400M, the C-130 and the smaller Alenia C27J Spartan - and yet another player in the much needed but woefully underfunded tactical airlifter market.
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RE: Embraer Mulling C-130 Size Airlifter?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 3:46 am

Quoting DEVILFISH (Thread starter):
If this capital-intensive project pushes through, it would be a competitor to Airbus' delayed A400M, the C-130 and the smaller Alenia C27J Spartan

Those three are not really competitors. Think of it as:

C-27 < C-130 < A400M < C-141 < C-17 < C-5 < An-124 < An-225
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RE: Embraer Mulling C-130 Size Airlifter?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 3:47 am

Hmmm, this would be more like a mini C-17. I doubt a turbofan airlifter of that size would really hurt the C-130J or C-27J sales very much. But, it could kill the slightly larger A-400M.
 
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RE: Embraer Mulling C-130 Size Airlifter?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:48 pm

C-130J is selling very badly and so is the 40 ton payload antonov-72
 
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RE: Embraer Mulling C-130 Size Airlifter?

Wed Nov 15, 2006 12:04 am

Quoting Cobra27 (Reply 3):
C-130J is selling very badly and so is the 40 ton payload antonov-72

180 ordered is "selling badly?" And there are RFPs out for many more.
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RE: Embraer Mulling C-130 Size Airlifter?

Wed Nov 15, 2006 12:58 pm

Quoting Cobra27 (Reply 3):
C-130J is selling very badly and so is the 40 ton payload antonov-72

I think that a lot of counties are waiting to see if the A400 moves beyond the vaporware stage.

but 180 Airframes is still very respectable, particularly when you factor in post-cold war purchasing habits.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 2):
Hmmm, this would be more like a mini C-17.

I was think mini-Kawasaki C-1. I think Emb may have a winner if they can make it as wide as a C-130
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RE: Embraer Mulling C-130 Size Airlifter?

Wed Nov 15, 2006 11:56 pm

Sounds like this...

 
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RE: Embraer Mulling C-130 Size Airlifter?

Sat Jan 13, 2007 9:40 am

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RE: Embraer Mulling C-130 Size Airlifter?

Sat Jan 13, 2007 11:47 am

I've heard there are problems with the C-130J. Can anyone elaborate please?

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RE: Embraer Mulling C-130 Size Airlifter?

Fri Apr 06, 2007 4:06 pm

Update:

Outgoing CEO says Embraer is considering launch though there is no schedule.....

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...ical-airlifter-to-rival-c-130.html

Quote:
"Eyeing a gap in the market above Alenia Aeronautica’s C-27J, Botelho says Embraer is “testing the concept”, but “would need a real demonstration of interest” to launch a full development programme."


While successor says.....

Quote:
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RE: Embraer Mulling C-130 Size Airlifter?

Sat Apr 07, 2007 4:45 am

Drawn on the E190. . . sweet. Would prob. look more C-295-ish than a C-27 or C-130.

Can anyone photo-shop it?
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RE: Embraer Mulling C-130 Size Airlifter?

Mon Apr 09, 2007 3:22 am

would defiantely be interesting to see. that i find strange is that they want to power it by turbofans and not turbo props. for an airplane the size of a C-130 i would think you'd want to use it more as a tactical transport than just a mere airlifter. using it as an airlifter just doesn't make sense IMO, you sacrafice range and payload and quite possibly short-field capability. even with the short-field capabilities of the C-17, it's still too big to fill in for a C-130.

i would love to see embraer pull this off. the make a graet product and have such potential if they pick the right market. i think that they should get out of producing 135/45s and maybe try desiging a next-gen airplanes that would ultimately replace the 737/ A320. i only wonder if they'd ever start building big airplanes.
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RE: Embraer Mulling C-130 Size Airlifter?

Sat Apr 14, 2007 10:37 pm

Will it be a four engine jet?
 
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RE: Embraer Mulling C-130 Size Airlifter?

Sun Apr 15, 2007 5:51 am

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 12):
Will it be a four engine jet?

Considering the 19-ton capacity, $50M target price and that they're basing it off the E190, it would likely be twin-engined like the HAL/Irkut joint venture in Reply 7. Besides, a four 17,000-22,000 lb. thrust PW6000 or BR715 powered airlifter might prove too ambitious a first effort for Embraer in this category.
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RE: Embraer Mulling C-130 Size Airlifter?

Sun Apr 15, 2007 12:35 pm

Rumor is they are to announce a "study of viability" of the project at Latin America Aero & Defence (LAAD) this coming thursday. . .

http://www.laadexpo.com/en
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RE: Embraer Mulling C-130 Size Airlifter?

Thu Apr 19, 2007 10:32 pm

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 14):
Rumor is they are to announce a "study of viability" of the project at Latin America Aero & Defence (LAAD) this coming thursday. . .

And they have. The following is from a subscriber service so just a summation so as to not breach copyright.

- They have confirmed that they have launched a "study of viability"
- Designation is the Embraer C-39
- Capacity to carry up to 19 metric tons of cargo

The full statement will be available on Embraers website shortly.

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RE: Embraer Mulling C-130 Size Airlifter?

Thu Apr 19, 2007 11:29 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 2):
Hmmm, this would be more like a mini C-17. I doubt a turbofan airlifter of that size would really hurt the C-130J or C-27J sales very much. But, it could kill the slightly larger A-400M.

Even if it were to be launched it's not like the various european governements are going to dump the A400M in favor of whatever Embraer comes up with.
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RE: Embraer Mulling C-130 Size Airlifter?

Fri Apr 20, 2007 1:47 am

Quoting Fridgmus (Reply 8):
I've heard there are problems with the C-130J. Can anyone elaborate please?

Thanks,

Marc

Marc, could you just tell us what you've heard and then we can comment on it. No problems reported that I've heard of.
 
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RE: Embraer Mulling C-130 Size Airlifter?

Fri Apr 20, 2007 4:50 am



Now that is cool!! I don't see much resemblance to the E-190, but I like it Big grin

Still interested to see what becomes of this. I hope they find it viable and launch it, but the jet versus prop use still puzzles me.
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RE: Embraer Mulling C-130 Size Airlifter?

Fri Apr 20, 2007 7:44 am

The wing looks like the Emb190. The Tail seems odd from a cargo load and aerodynamic standpoint.

There sure seems to be a sizeable market. The C-130 is over time, the A400 will be twice as large.

Getting some cockpit commonality with the A400 ( http://www.airbusmilitary.com/gallery/a400mcockpit1024.jpg ) might be smart idea. Also the engine could be considered. http://www.skycontrol.net/UserFiles/...ry_img/200603/200603avio_tp400.JPG
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RE: Embraer Mulling C-130 Size Airlifter?

Fri Apr 20, 2007 6:11 pm

Well, this is a good thing for Embraer if they do go on with this. Not only to fill a niche in the military transport area, but they will also gain knowledge on building bigger planes. I'm very curious if Embraer is going to walk in the B737/A320 segment in about 10 years. I think they can deliver a very cost-effective plane if they do.

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RE: Embraer Mulling C-130 Size Airlifter?

Wed Apr 25, 2007 7:51 am







Interesting how the aft fuselage is "humped" up.

Looks like a whale moving it's tail to swim!  Smile
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RE: Embraer Mulling C-130 Size Airlifter?

Thu Apr 26, 2007 3:04 am

Quoting Checksixx (Reply 17):
Marc, could you just tell us what you've heard and then we can comment on it. No problems reported that I've heard of.

Thanks Checksixx, I think I read it somewhere here on A.net. I'm racking my brain as to where. IIRC, it had something to with software and the USAF had some sort of problem with it. I'm at an airbase in northern Iraq and see the J models here all the time.

Thanks again,

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RE: Embraer Mulling C-130 Size Airlifter?

Thu Apr 26, 2007 7:07 am

Quoting Checksixx (Reply 17):
Quoting Fridgmus (Reply 8):
I've heard there are problems with the C-130J. Can anyone elaborate please?

Thanks,

Marc

Marc, could you just tell us what you've heard and then we can comment on it. No problems reported that I've heard of

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5499155/
http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0105/012405cdpm3.htm
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/military/read.main/29524/
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...sure-saves-c130j-program/index.php
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RE: Embraer Mulling C-130 Size Airlifter?

Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:27 am

Thanks Keesje,  bigthumbsup  You too Checksixx!

Looks like they got the bugs worked out. They're starting to show up more and more here.

Thanks again,

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RE: Embraer Mulling C-130 Size Airlifter?

Fri Apr 27, 2007 12:11 pm

Quote:
Embraer confident its C-390 can challenge the Hercules
By Graham Warwick

Embraer is optimistic it can begin development of a new medium military transport, the C-390, by year-end, assembling the customers, partners and financing needed to launch the programme. The aircraft is aimed at replacing older Lockheed Martin C-130 airlifters now in widespread service and the manufacturer sees a potential market for 695 C-390s over the next 10 years.

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...90-can-challenge-the-hercules.html
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RE: Embraer Mulling C-130 Size Airlifter?

Wed May 02, 2007 6:13 am

Quoting LMP737 (Reply 16):

Even if it were to be launched it's not like the various european governements are going to dump the A400M in favor of whatever Embraer comes up with.

This would likely be targeted at those who could not quite afford the A400M or C-17, but need something different from the C-27J or C-295.

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 21):
Interesting how the aft fuselage is "humped" up.

It could be to give greater clearance for the ramp door between the underside of the plane and pavement. It might also be to offset the conventional tailplanes from direct jet blast - which was usually done by adopting a T-tail.
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RE: Embraer Mulling C-130 Size Airlifter?

Tue May 22, 2007 3:50 am

Update:

Embraer claims strong market response to its proposed C-390.....

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...mbraers-c-390-makes-an-impact.html
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RE: Embraer Mulling C-130 Size Airlifter?

Tue May 22, 2007 7:43 am

That is very good news!  Smile

Also,

Quote:
Embraer has responded to a US request for information for a counter-insurgency aircraft. Katsanos says the company is competing with Pilatus and Raytheon for the requirement, which he says covers eight aircraft with the potential to grow to up to 36. A deal should be awarded by year-end, with initial deliveries set for late 2008.

Looks like potential Tucanos for the Army/Marine Corps.?
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RE: Embraer Mulling C-130 Size Airlifter?

Tue May 22, 2007 8:27 am

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 28):
Looks like potential Tucanos for the Army/Marine Corps.?

More like for the Iraqi Air Force. See.....

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...i-counter-insurgency-aircraft.html

Thread here.....
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