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Air Force One 747 Out Of Service In Vietnam

Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:11 am

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RE: Air Force One 747 Out Of Service In Vietnam

Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:15 am

It's nice to have a 757 along with you, just in case.
 
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RE: Air Force One 747 Out Of Service In Vietnam

Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:16 am

WOW. I don't think the 757 (alternate a/c) has in-flight refueling capabilities, so that may not be very convenient.

I am trying to find more specific info other than "mechanical problem".
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RE: Air Force One 747 Out Of Service In Vietnam

Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:18 am

The UAL press charter aircraft would be a nice option, but probably against policy to use a non-US armed forces a/c for #1 transport. Anyone know of this to be a rule?
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RE: Air Force One 747 Out Of Service In Vietnam

Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:29 am

Quoting B4real (Reply 3):
The UAL press charter aircraft would be a nice option, but probably against policy to use a non-US armed forces a/c for #1 transport. Anyone know of this to be a rule?

What type of A/C is the UAL charter?
 
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RE: Air Force One 747 Out Of Service In Vietnam

Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:37 am

I thought there were two airforce 1 747s. Why don't they fly in the 2nd 747?
 
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RE: Air Force One 747 Out Of Service In Vietnam

Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:43 am

Quoting B4real (Reply 3):
The UAL press charter aircraft would be a nice option, but probably against policy to use a non-US armed forces a/c for #1 transport. Anyone know of this to be a rule?

Nope, as far as I know the President can ride on civilian aircraft and if he is, the call sign is "Executive One."
 
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RE: Air Force One 747 Out Of Service In Vietnam

Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:46 am

Quoting B4real (Reply 3):
The UAL press charter aircraft would be a nice option, but probably against policy to use a non-US armed forces a/c for #1 transport. Anyone know of this to be a rule?

I don't believe this is true. Didn't Nixon fly UA out of IAD once? It might be an unwritten rule but it certainly is not a statute or regulation I'm aware of. Isn't the call sign of a civilian registered aircraft carrying POTUS called Executive I?

Furthermore -suggest that this thread be moved to Military Forum.
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RE: Air Force One 747 Out Of Service In Vietnam

Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:53 am

Quoting Pope (Reply 7):
I don't believe this is true. Didn't Nixon fly UA out of IAD once? It might be an unwritten rule but it certainly is not a statute or regulation I'm aware of. Isn't the call sign of a civilian registered aircraft carrying POTUS called Executive I?

You are right on that...I don't have the specifics in front of me, but he did fly from IAD-LAX on a DC-10. He even paid the price of his first class tickets for himself and his family (something like $235 each!!) and roamed the cabin chatting with other pax.

This all comes from a book I have on Air Force One.

Quoting Pope (Reply 7):
Furthermore -suggest that this thread be moved to Military Forum.

Why? If civilian aircraft are brought into the discussion, this thread is fine where it is. Also, this topic has such a mass appeal (When was the last time anyone remembers any mechanical problems on any aircraft carrying the President?) that it should get as much exposure as possible.
 
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RE: Air Force One 747 Out Of Service In Vietnam

Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:56 am

Quoting Mav75 (Reply 8):
Why? If civilian aircraft are brought into the discussion, this thread is fine where it is.

Because the thread is about AIR FORCE 1 (last time I check this wasn't a civilian aircraft).

Quoting Mav75 (Reply 8):
Also, this topic has such a mass appeal (When was the last time anyone remembers any mechanical problems on any aircraft carrying the President?) that it should get as much exposure as possible.

I didn't write the forum rules - but I've never seen anything that said that a thread should be posted where it gets its most exposure. Let's just all follow the rules and not make up our own as we go along.
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RE: Air Force One 747 Out Of Service In Vietnam

Mon Nov 20, 2006 11:02 am

Leave this topic here in Civil Aviation. It discuss problems in a 747, the possible usage of a civil airliner and other related issues
 
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RE: Air Force One 747 Out Of Service In Vietnam

Mon Nov 20, 2006 11:08 am

Quoting Pope (Reply 9):
Because the thread is about AIR FORCE 1 (last time I check this wasn't a civilian aircraft).

I never said AF1 is a civilian aircraft. B4real mentioned a UAL press charter aircraft. There's no reason to get so smart alecky.

Quoting Pope (Reply 9):
Let's just all follow the rules and not make up our own as we go along.

If it helps you sleep better tonight, then fine with me.
 
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RE: Air Force One 747 Out Of Service In Vietnam

Mon Nov 20, 2006 11:12 am

So, there is no chance to see US president arrival in CGK with Air Force One 747?

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RE: Air Force One 747 Out Of Service In Vietnam

Mon Nov 20, 2006 11:26 am

Apparently the 747's problem was with a tire but it's since been rectified and the Prez can continue along his merry way.

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RE: Air Force One 747 Out Of Service In Vietnam

Mon Nov 20, 2006 11:36 am

Quoting Forbes.com:
Initially, the White House thought Bush would have to fly to Indonesia on a backup Air Force One. There was a problem with a tire upon landing in Ho Chi Minh City, said White House spokesman Tony Fratto. But a replacement tire was found, and the president is scheduled to fly his regular Boeing (nyse: BA - news - people ) 747 to Indonesia.

Air Force One 747 is back online
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RE: Air Force One 747 Out Of Service In Vietnam

Mon Nov 20, 2006 11:37 am

Quoting Forbes.com:
Initially, the White House thought Bush would have to fly to Indonesia on a backup Air Force One. There was a problem with a tire upon landing in Ho Chi Minh City, said White House spokesman Tony Fratto. But a replacement tire was found, and the president is scheduled to fly his regular Boeing (nyse: BA - news - people ) 747 to Indonesia.

Air Force One 747 is back online
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RE: Air Force One 747 Out Of Service In Vietnam

Mon Nov 20, 2006 12:17 pm

where is the backup 747?
 
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RE: Air Force One 747 Out Of Service In Vietnam

Mon Nov 20, 2006 12:25 pm

Good thing that AF1 is back in service. I would have bet that there is no way that they would have flown him back across the Pacific in a 757.
 
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RE: Air Force One 747 Out Of Service In Vietnam

Mon Nov 20, 2006 12:32 pm

Quoting Positiverate (Reply 16):
where is the backup 747?

The backup is often in Wichita, Kansas actually...I've seen it there many times, at the Boeing/McConnell AFB landing site.
 
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RE: Air Force One 747 Out Of Service In Vietnam

Mon Nov 20, 2006 12:44 pm

I understood the backup Air Force One (747) goes to the closest US military base to where the president would be. Why are some stating that the backup on this trip was a 757? Perhaps Ms. Rice and the State Department flew the 757 to the area. Since Bush didn't fly to Vietnam via the Pacific, I guessing the return would be via Europe, suppose its a wash mileage wise.
 
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RE: Air Force One 747 Out Of Service In Vietnam

Mon Nov 20, 2006 1:04 pm

Quoting AirCop (Reply 19):
I understood the backup Air Force One (747) goes to the closest US military base to where the president would be.

Yes, I thought I read that the back up 747 either travels along with the president's plane or is kept nearby.
 
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RE: Air Force One 747 Out Of Service In Vietnam

Mon Nov 20, 2006 1:09 pm

Quoting AirCop (Reply 19):
I understood the backup Air Force One (747) goes to the closest US military base to where the president would be. Why are some stating that the backup on this trip was a 757? Perhaps Ms. Rice and the State Department flew the 757 to the area. Since Bush didn't fly to Vietnam via the Pacific, I guessing the return would be via Europe, suppose its a wash mileage wise.

He is making a stopover in Hawai'i on his way back to DC.

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RE: Air Force One 747 Out Of Service In Vietnam

Mon Nov 20, 2006 3:17 pm

Quoting B4REAL (Reply 2):
I don't think the 757 (alternate a/c) has in-flight refueling capabilities, so that may not be very convenient.

Correct, the C-32A does not have in-flight refueling. Keep in mind, however, it does have more range that your typical civilian 757. Also, I don't believe the VC-25's in-flight refueling has been used with POTUS aboard.

Quoting RobertS975 (Reply 17):
I would have bet that there is no way that they would have flown him back across the Pacific in a 757

Range wise, there really isn't a concern, as I stated above. If push came to shove, POTUS would have likely been flown to the nearest US Air Base to meet the back up VC-25.

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RE: Air Force One 747 Out Of Service In Vietnam

Mon Nov 20, 2006 4:19 pm

Quoting AirCop (Reply 19):
I understood the backup Air Force One (747) goes to the closest US military base to where the president would be.

When Dubya visited the Netherlands in May 2005, both VC-25A (no. 28000 and 29000) were at MST at the same time, while the E-4B "flying pentagon" waited 40mi down the road at the Dutch AFB at EIN.
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RE: Air Force One 747 Out Of Service In Vietnam

Tue Nov 21, 2006 4:24 am

I don't ever recall hearing about a mechanical problem while POTUS was on board. Is this a first ?

And a tire of all things....... ( was it FOD ?). I would have thought the change-out schedule for wear items like these would be way below normal service life for this fleet.
 
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RE: Air Force One 747 Out Of Service In Vietnam

Tue Nov 21, 2006 7:52 am

Quoting Avgroupie (Reply 24):
was it FOD ?).

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RE: Air Force One 747 Out Of Service In Vietnam

Tue Nov 21, 2006 9:09 am

Quoting Avgroupie (Reply 24):
I don't ever recall hearing about a mechanical problem while POTUS was on board. Is this a first ?

Hardly... 27000 blew a seal with Reagan aboard and did a rapid descent and I'm sure there have been other incidents...

When I was stationed at Andrews it was common to have one of the 707s backup the 747 if one of the 747s was in depot maintenance. That maybe why the backup 747 was not used....
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RE: Air Force One 747 Out Of Service In Vietnam

Tue Nov 21, 2006 11:47 am

Quoting Avgroupie (Reply 24):
I don't ever recall hearing about a mechanical problem while POTUS was on board. Is this a first ?

I think one of the VC-137s got stuck in the mud beside a taxiway with either Clinton or Gore aboard.
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RE: Air Force One 747 Out Of Service In Vietnam

Wed Nov 22, 2006 4:23 am

Yep and IIRC they put Clinton on SAM 27000 to get him out of there while they dug the 747 outta the mud. I believe it happened in Little Rock.
 
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RE: Air Force One 747 Out Of Service In Vietnam

Thu Dec 07, 2006 12:59 am

Quoting Positiverate (Reply 16):
where is the backup 747?

I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.
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RE: Air Force One 747 Out Of Service In Vietnam

Thu Dec 07, 2006 11:54 am

Quote:
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Or you could just google it  Wink

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