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Huge Usaf Cargo Proptransports

Sat Nov 25, 2006 1:43 am

Post WW2 years brought us some huge proptransports & some great troop & cargo carrying airlifters & even refueling aircraft in the skies by converted cargo haulers into airtankers by way of the flying boom. Boeing produced the C97 proptransport as a troop carrier & equipment hauler & then a few years later made it into the KC97 airtanker. This proptransport had been fitted with latest radial powerplants,the P&W 4360,28cyl engines. To keep up with inflight refueling of the latest jets they added jet engines,one on each side of the wings. Then there was the huge C74 which was the forrunner of the C124 troop carrier proptransport which also had the huge P&W 4360 engines. they even made a cargo version of the huge B36(onlyone)called the C99 which was in service for a short time & hopefully be preserved at the USAF museum. And let us not forget the Mighty Spruce Goose flying boat of Howard Hughes fame which today is still living & on display in a museum in Oregon. the Spruce Goose had 8 radial powerplants across the wing also the huge P&W 4360 engines. Also Boeing took the Military version of the C/KC97 Strat & made a civilian version called the 377 Stratocruiser of the 50,s only 55 went into airline service with the likes of PanAm,United,Northwest,AOA & BOAC. she even was decked out with a 14 passenger downstairs lounge with a spiral stairway from the upper deck. It also could be converted overhead with private sleeping births on upper level. What a great aircraft this was when flying to your overseas destinations! In todays world now exists also from the original Boeing C97 Strat, another conversion called the Guppy & Super Guppy with NASA. these were fitted with big turboprop engines & the fuselage was enlarged quite a bit to haul huge rocket motors for the space program & even the front part of the Super Guppy opens & swings out with big hindges. So what they started out in the post war design for cargo haulers carries on today with the Jet age & the flight line with the C5,C141,C/KC135 & C17 of todays USAF.
 
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RE: Huge Usaf Cargo Proptransports

Sat Nov 25, 2006 3:20 am

The C-123 originally was a glider design that incorporated many of the current airlift features of high wing for lower fuselage profile and high tail to facilitate rear ramp loading.

The C-82 Packet and follow on, C-119, employed similar features with their signature twin boom design. I am not as familiar with foreign aircraft lineage that may have contributed. WWII is characterized with airlift being pressed into service from off the shelf airliners like the DC-3, DC-4, Curtiss C-46 and Lockheed Constellation. This enabled the designers to focus more on bombers and fighters. Post WWII allowed for the next generation of airlifters to be designed more for bulk material handling rather than passenger transport.

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RE: Huge Usaf Cargo Proptransports

Sat Nov 25, 2006 3:45 am

Quoting F4wso (Reply 1):
The C-123 originally was a glider design that incorporated many of the current airlift features of high wing for lower fuselage profile and high tail to facilitate rear ramp loading.

I find that fascinating! I had zero idea about that. Could you refer me to some source material on that because I'd like to find out more about that. I did not know Fairchild or it's antecendents built gliders. Dude, stuff like this is why I read these threads!
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RE: Huge Usaf Cargo Proptransports

Sat Nov 25, 2006 6:19 am

Don't overlook the imposing C-133. Spotty safety record but a notable aircraft.
 
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RE: Huge Usaf Cargo Proptransports

Sat Nov 25, 2006 10:55 am

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-123_Provider

Here is one link that I have. The original reference I have is a book buried in my library. Details like this are one reason I am so fascinated with aviation history. Another interesting reference is the Osprey book on the C-47 in the ETO. I did a book review of it and thoroughly enjoyed it. I was able to tie in a lot of current airland and airdrop doctrine I see in the C-130 with it's origins in WWII.

The C-133 did have a spotty safety record but I think it could have proven itself had not the C-141 clipped it's career short.

I did a lot of volunteer work at what is now the National Museum of the US Air Force when I lived in Dayton fifteen years ago. I enjoyed comparing aircraft features such as looking at how landing gear mechanisms worked, development like the topic of this thread. and other little details that are just pixels of the big picture.

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RE: Huge Usaf Cargo Proptransports

Sat Nov 25, 2006 11:19 am

Quoting F4wso (Reply 4):
The C-133 did have a spotty safety record but I think it could have proven itself had not the C-141 clipped it's career short.

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I did a little looking into the C-133 today, found out that the USAF worked 'em pretty hard from about 1956 to 1971 when they were effectively worn out. Originally designed for 10,000 hours, they were extended out to a 19,000 hour life. Gotta look into the one that's supposed to be active again in Alaska, or so I hear. One nickname I've heard of is "Vanisher" after two disappeared (on two different occasions) east of Dover AFB with little trace.
 
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RE: Huge Usaf Cargo Proptransports

Sat Nov 25, 2006 11:58 am

We had a former pilot, Lou Martin, speak on the 133 at a Twin Cities Aero Historians monthly meeting. He gave the best account I have ever heard about the Cargomaster. He had a good explanation about one accident (Dover to Travis?) that shed some light on what may have happened to the two lost over the Atlantic.

Another point that comes to mind in this thread is how some companies are said to have copied other designs when it fact is more a matter of similar missions with similar technology will yield similar looking aircraft.

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RE: Huge Usaf Cargo Proptransports

Sun Nov 26, 2006 9:59 am

Quoting F4wso (Reply 6):
He had a good explanation about one accident (Dover to Travis?) that shed some light on what may have happened to the two lost over the Atlantic.

OK, ya got me curious now. Could you elaborate on his remarks?
 
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RE: Huge Usaf Cargo Proptransports

Sun Nov 26, 2006 12:36 pm

This has a synopisis of the the accidents:
http://www.angelfire.com/wa2/c133bcargomaster/c133baccidents.html

Here is the text from the 1970 accident Mr. Martin referred to copied from the above site:
10. 6 Feb 70. C-133B 59530. Location was 5 nm NNE of Palisade, NE. Five crew killed. An existing 11" crack above the left side door propagated catastrophically, resulting in tearing of the upper forward fuselage skin for about 17'. An explosive decompression caused large skin sections from the top and right side of the fuselage to be torn away. Cargo included Lycoming T53 and T55 engines in sealed shipping containers and CH-47B Chinook (possibly 67-8487), all enroute to US Army Depot New Cumberland, PA. Crew members were: MAJ Harold Tabor (AC), 1LT Duane Burdette (CP), TSG James Clouse and MSG Joe Tierney (FETs), and SSG Ira Bowers (LM).


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