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F-35 First Flight Imminent

Thu Dec 07, 2006 1:34 am

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The world's most expensive military project, the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, is expected to take to the skies for its maiden test flight next week.

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Marine Brigadier General David Heinz said the maiden test flight of the Joint Strike Fighter would take place in Fort Worth, Texas.

Lockheed Joint Strike Fighter
Britain's BAE systems is a key player in the project

"I am optimistic that we will see the airplane fly as early as Monday," said Brig Gen Heinz, the Pentagon programme office's deputy director.

He said the planned 60-minute test flight of the F-35 would go ahead on the day, weather conditions permitting.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6212974.stm
 
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RE: F-35 First Flight Imminent

Thu Dec 07, 2006 2:05 am

Is it the Lightning A, B, or C?
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RE: F-35 First Flight Imminent

Thu Dec 07, 2006 5:22 pm

It's the A model. The STOVL and CV variants haven't been built yet. Work has started on the first STOVL F-35B model though.

Dec 05 - Low Speed Taxi Tests
Dec 07 - Medium Speed Taxi Tests
Dec 09 - High Speed Taxi Tests
Dec 11 - First Flight
Dec 13 - Second Flight

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0a/F-35.jpg

[Edited 2006-12-07 09:24:46]
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RE: F-35 First Flight Imminent

Thu Dec 07, 2006 8:16 pm

Quoting MCIGuy (Reply 2):
Dec 05 - Low Speed Taxi Tests
Dec 07 - Medium Speed Taxi Tests
Dec 09 - High Speed Taxi Tests
Dec 11 - First Flight
Dec 13 - Second Flight

Or first flight Dec 9th if they taxi a bit too fast
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RE: F-35 First Flight Imminent

Fri Dec 08, 2006 12:08 am

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 3):
Or first flight Dec 9th if they taxi a bit too fast

That sounds like a highly Yeageresque move. Let's hope they do it.  Wink
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RE: F-35 First Flight Imminent

Fri Dec 08, 2006 4:06 am

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RE: F-35 First Flight Imminent

Fri Dec 08, 2006 6:42 am

Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 5):
Not to spoil the fun, but there is this.....

Yeah, this wouldn't be the first time the UK has threatened to drop out. Though I wouldn't have put it that way, I have to echo the sentiment in that thread that it's still a great deal for the price. The Brits are anything but stupid and I really think this will be worked out. Should it actually happen, I'd also have to echo the sentiment that in the grand scheme of things, 150 frames isn't all that many. The F-35 is the new F-16 and the program will go forward and sell at least a few thousand frames. I do hope the US and UK can work this out though. I'd love to see it in service with the Royal Navy.
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RE: F-35 First Flight Imminent

Fri Dec 08, 2006 6:09 pm

Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 5):
Not to spoil the fun, but there is this.....

Also here -

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6219122.stm

I tend to agree with the MPs - if we cannot guarantee fully independant capability, we shouldnt buy them.
 
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RE: F-35 First Flight Imminent

Sat Dec 09, 2006 4:53 am

Man, the F-35 is one of the meanest looking fighters ever built! I gotta find some more good high res pics of it!


I agree with Richard, that is a big investment in hardware that would turn out to be a rental if they cant operate and maintain them independently. While I understand the US' concerns of the software slipping out, but the UK is probably the US' closest ally. I could understand stiffing Israel and maybe Japan, but not the UK.
 
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RE: F-35 First Flight Imminent

Sat Dec 09, 2006 8:18 am

Out of curiousity, how much technology(or what parts) was/were taken from the Yak-141 for the F-35?.
 
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RE: F-35 First Flight Imminent

Sat Dec 09, 2006 8:54 am

Quoting Acheron (Reply 9):
Out of curiousity, how much technology(or what parts) was/were taken from the Yak-141 for the F-35?.

I'd have to say 0%. Most of the technology used in the F-35 was learned during the development of the F-22 Raptor.
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RE: F-35 First Flight Imminent

Sat Dec 09, 2006 9:43 am

Quoting MCIGuy (Reply 10):
I'd have to say 0%. Most of the technology used in the F-35 was learned during the development of the F-22 Raptor.

Searching around, apparently LM bough the nozzle system from Yakolev. I'll search a bit more.
 
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RE: F-35 First Flight Imminent

Sat Dec 09, 2006 10:26 pm

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Sun Dec 10, 2006 5:09 pm

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RE: F-35 First Flight Imminent

Sun Dec 10, 2006 9:31 pm

Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 13):
http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...SF+technology+transfer+issues.html

The best thing about that article is this:

Quoting from the article:

The UK had spent £560 million ($1.07 trillion) on the JSF programme by 31 March 2006

Now thats one hell of a good exchange rate!
 
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RE: F-35 First Flight Imminent

Mon Dec 11, 2006 4:54 am

To quote President Washington, (ok, maybe a close para phrase), "America should not have special friends, or special enemies, only special interests".

A wisdom lost on modern foreign policy, but in the vein of that philosophy, the US-UK row over the technology transfer is inexcusable.

Hopefully the gringos will get over it.
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RE: F-35 First Flight Imminent

Wed Dec 13, 2006 12:52 am

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UK defence minister Lord Drayson signed a memorandum of understanding (MoU) with US deputy secretary of defence Gordon England during a visit in Washington, DC today over the next phase of the project. The agreement guarantees "operational sovereignty" for the UK, Drayson says.

Operational sovereignty is defined as the UK having control over essential aspects of the aircraft so that it can be operated through life at the time of the UK’s choosing, says the Ministry of Defence. "We need to be able to integrate the JSF into the UK operating environment; operate, maintain, repair and upgrade the UK fleet to meet evolving through-life requirements; and certificate the aircraft as safe to fly," Drayson says.

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...llow+Lockheed+Martin+F-35+JSF.html
 
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RE: F-35 First Flight Imminent

Wed Dec 13, 2006 4:02 am

Looks like it's not just the UK signing MOU's on the JSF these days...
Canada closer to buying U.S. military aircraft

Quote:
Canada has increased its involvement in the U.S. Joint Strike Fighter program, setting the stage for the eventual multibillion-dollar purchase of up to 80 of the stealthy aircraft.

Canadian and U.S. officials signed a memorandum of understanding in Washington Monday that covers Canada's involvement with the aircraft over the next 39 years and acts as a road map for any future purchase.
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RE: F-35 First Flight Imminent

Wed Dec 13, 2006 4:28 am

Might we see Australia, Denmark and Norway follow suit?
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RE: F-35 First Flight Imminent

Wed Dec 13, 2006 5:06 am

Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 18):
Might we see Australia, Denmark and Norway follow suit?

IMO, yes, but only after mounting the requisite furious and vitriolic press campaign WRT "operational sovereignty".  duck 
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RE: F-35 First Flight Imminent

Wed Dec 13, 2006 2:37 pm

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 16):

Excellent news! Bravo for the Royal Navy and LM! I knew they'd work it out.  Smile
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RE: F-35 First Flight Imminent

Thu Dec 14, 2006 10:54 am

Latest news...

F-35 FINISHES ALL TAXI TESTING, PREPARES FOR FLIGHT
FORT WORTH, Texas, December 12, 2006 --

The first Lockheed Martin [NYSE: LMT] F-35 Lightning II successfully completed all ground taxi tests today, among some of the last activities clearing the way for its inaugural flight.

...

http://www.lockheedmartin.com/wms/fi...=18074&rsbci=1&fti=129&ti=0&sc=400

Can't wait!

http://www.lockheedmartin.com/data/assets/13810.jpg

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RE: F-35 First Flight Imminent

Thu Dec 14, 2006 8:52 pm

Quoting Oroka (Reply 8):
Man, the F-35 is one of the meanest looking fighters ever built!

In a fat bloated ugly as hell way?  cheeky  look's like an F22's ugly sister

main gear is too far back, tail is way too small. nose gear door is too big. engine intakes look horrid. too chunky over all.

i hope developers will look in to my needs and make it more photogenic in future Big grin

little confused i'm afraid though, what does the F35 replace in our RAF? harrier and jag is it? or ...? F3? thanks!
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RE: F-35 First Flight Imminent

Thu Dec 14, 2006 9:52 pm

Quoting Gary2880 (Reply 22):
i hope developers will look in to my needs and make it more photogenic in future

I guess photographers can be thankful for Photoshop and Aperture...

I agree it is weird looking, but it would be difficult to top how slick the F-15, and F-16 look...

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RE: F-35 First Flight Imminent

Thu Dec 14, 2006 11:09 pm

Quoting Gary2880 (Reply 22):
Man, the F-35 is one of the meanest looking fighters ever built!

In a fat bloated ugly as hell way?

Stop whining... we could have ended up with Boeing's F-32... now that's a profile only a mother could love...  Smile
 
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RE: F-35 First Flight Imminent

Thu Dec 14, 2006 11:15 pm

Quoting Thorny (Reply 24):
we could have ended up with Boeing's F-32... now that's a profile only a mother could love... Smile

Now thats a supposition I highly doubt  Wink
 
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RE: F-35 First Flight Imminent

Thu Dec 14, 2006 11:56 pm

The only thing is USAF and US navy has departed from its two engine formula  Smile
 
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RE: F-35 First Flight Imminent

Thu Dec 14, 2006 11:59 pm

Quoting Eniranjanrao (Reply 26):
The only thing is USAF and US navy has departed from its two engine formula

The AV-8 was single engined only, so this isnt really a surprise.
 
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RE: F-35 First Flight Imminent

Fri Dec 15, 2006 12:20 am

Quoting Eniranjanrao (Reply 26):
The only thing is USAF and US navy has departed from its two engine formula

USAF has never had a problem with single-engined fighters. Going back to World War II, they almost all were single-engined. After that, you had the F-86, F-104, F-16, etc...all single-engined.

The Navy is where you see the departure. They usually want two engines for overwater flights, which is a limitation the Air Force is typically less concerned with.
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RE: F-35 First Flight Imminent

Fri Dec 15, 2006 2:55 am

Quoting Gary2880 (Reply 22):
look's like an F22's ugly sister

Given that LockMart also have a share of the work on the F-22, you could indeed say the two are siblings.  Smile
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RE: F-35 First Flight Imminent

Fri Dec 15, 2006 3:26 am

Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 29):
Given that LockMart also have a share of the work on the F-22, you could indeed say the two are siblings.

I'm sure that was the point. That is why the F-35 R&D was not more expensive...it drew quite a bit from the F-22. Plus it will hopefully mean similar maintenance procedures...we already know the engines and avionics are related.
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RE: F-35 First Flight Imminent

Fri Dec 15, 2006 4:09 am

Quoting N328KF (Reply 30):
That is why the F-35 R&D was not more expensive...it drew quite a bit from the F-22.

Precisely why I take exception to the opening quote of the thread.....

Quoting RichardPrice (Thread starter):
The world's most expensive military project, the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter,

Besides, the F-22 is hands-down more expensive per copy, while the Lightning II being cheaper, and intended for sale to others - could see its price cut a little bit still as exports increase, since more air forces could afford it. Although I doubt the JSF's success could approach that of the Falcon.
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RE: F-35 First Flight Imminent

Fri Dec 15, 2006 9:58 am

Quoting Thorny (Reply 24):
Stop whining... we could have ended up with Boeing's F-32... now that's a profile only a mother could love...

I am not sure what that aircraft looks like, a Marlin w/o a long nose?

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RE: F-35 First Flight Imminent

Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:37 am

Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 31):
Although I doubt the JSF's success could approach that of the Falcon.

Really? I can see it being more successful, in the long run. There are more developing nations than in the Viper's time so I'd think that there are more countries that can or will be able to afford them.
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RE: F-35 First Flight Imminent

Sat Dec 16, 2006 5:31 am

First flight was successfully completed today, 15 Dec 06...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061215/bs_nm/fighter_usa_lockheed_dc_1
 
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RE: F-35 First Flight Imminent

Sat Dec 16, 2006 6:08 am

From the horse's mouth...

LOCKHEED MARTIN F-35 LIGHTNING II STEALTH FIGHTER COMPLETES FIRST FLIGHT
Fort Worth, Texas, December 15, 2006 --

The Lockheed Martin [NYSE: LMT] F-35 Lightning II lifted into the skies today for the first time, completing a successful inaugural flight and initiating the most comprehensive flight test program in military aviation history.

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http://www.lockheedmartin.com/wms/fi...=18077&rsbci=1&fti=129&ti=0&sc=400

Beautiful!

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RE: F-35 First Flight Imminent

Sat Dec 16, 2006 9:11 am

here is http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,120713,00.html
Another link for the first flight today
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RE: F-35 First Flight Imminent

Sun Dec 17, 2006 9:12 am

More pictures here.....

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...st+flight+%e2%80%93+short+but.html

Despite a sensor anomaly, things went well - report says bulk of 6,000 tests will be done with 18 optimised airframes currently being built. The chief test pilot had this to say.....

Quote:
“This is the first electric jet.” Handling qualities are similar to, but better than, those of Lockheed’s F-22, he says, adding: “It flies like a smaller and quicker Raptor.”
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RE: F-35 First Flight Imminent

Sun Dec 17, 2006 1:23 pm

Any idea when the next flight test aircraft will roll out? I believe it's an F-35B STOVL varient...

http://www.flightglobal.com/ImageArchive/Galleries/Cutaways/Military%20Aviation/Military%20Aviation%201946-2006/images/Lockheed-Martin-F-35.jpg

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RE: F-35 First Flight Imminent

Sun Dec 17, 2006 3:22 pm

Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 38):
Any idea when the next flight test aircraft will roll out? I believe it's an F-35B STOVL varient...

Make that 14 optimised airframes - it's in the linked report.....

Quote:
"The first of these -- BF-1, the first short take-off and vertical landing F-35B -- is scheduled to fly in 2008."


The DID report had a different number for the airframes and put the first flight in February.....

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...contracts-events-fy-2006/index.php

Quote:
"The first optimised-airframe F-35B STOVL is being assembled by Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, and BAE Systems; it is scheduled to fly in February 2008. The first optimized-airframe F-35A will follow in August 2008, and the first F-35C carrier variant is scheduled for flight in January 2009. A total of 23 test aircraft are scheduled to be built for various purposes (15 flight, 7 non-flight, 1 radar signature)"


For a bigger cutaway image.....

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/images/AIR_F-35B_Cutaway_lg.jpg
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RE: F-35 First Flight Imminent

Mon Dec 18, 2006 1:04 pm

Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 39):
Make that 14 optimised airframes - it's in the linked report.....

Interesting. I'd read about the changes to the F-35B STOVL due to weight issues. When I was interning for Progressive Inc. (now part of Heroux-Devtek) this summer the first bulkheads for that second aircraft were being shipped out and parts for the CTOL F-35A were being programmed. Looking down below at that cutaway you linked (my cutaway is more up to date  Wink ), I got to do some engineering on the mid section bulkeads and a left-hand nose gear well keel beam for the CTOL variant.

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/images/AIR_F-35B_Cutaway_lg.jpg

While I had nothing to do with AA-1's engineering and construction, this is exciting news nonetheless. A sense of personal pride and accomplishment having taken at least a small part in this massive program.  Smile

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RE: F-35 First Flight Imminent

Mon Dec 18, 2006 3:42 pm

I noticed they painted the radome from white to grey. The white made it look a bit Russian.
 
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RE: F-35 First Flight Imminent

Thu Mar 15, 2007 3:50 am

Update:

Picture of F-35 AA1 in reheat for the first time.....

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...er-soars-on-first-afterburner.html

Quote:
"The aircraft is scheduled to fly twice a week to continue expanding the flight envelope as Lockheed assembles the second JSF – the first short take-off and vertical landing F-35B – which is expected to fly in May-June next year."
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RE: F-35 First Flight Imminent

Fri Mar 30, 2007 1:28 pm

Update:

This report was supposed to have a video of the F-35 performing manoeuvres.....

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...rike-fighter-begins-manoeuvre.html

Quote:
"The first 360º rolls took place during the fighter’s ninth test flight on 20 March. The first F-35, aircraft AA-1, is expected to make its 10th flight any day now, and Lockheed expects to complete initial airworthiness tests over the next few sorties."



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