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E3C/D Vs Wedgetail 737

Fri Dec 08, 2006 7:10 pm

How capable is the Wedge as against the Sentry? They are of a similar size, but is the Sentry a more capable AEW radar in terms of a more powerful and agile radar system?
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RE: E3C/D Vs Wedgetail 737

Fri Dec 08, 2006 7:36 pm

The E-3 has more scopes and with mid-term upgrades a great computer, not to mention the ESM suite and PDS systems. The AN/APY-2 is an awesome radar though granted a bit different compaired to Wedgetail.

The E-3 can do a lot more air battle management and cover a larger area but for the nations ordering the Wedgetail it is a great fit for their more regional needs and smaller aircraft control capabilities.

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RE: E3C/D Vs Wedgetail 737

Fri Dec 08, 2006 11:06 pm

Quoting Lt-AWACS (Reply 1):
The E-3 has more scopes and with mid-term upgrades a great computer, not to mention the ESM suite and PDS systems. The AN/APY-2 is an awesome radar though granted a bit different compaired to Wedgetail.

Are there any plans to replace the E-3 in USAF service in the not-too-distant future?
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RE: E3C/D Vs Wedgetail 737

Sat Dec 09, 2006 12:16 am

To be sure, the MESA radar on the Wedgetail is intended to be a template for the future U.S. AEW direction. While the E-10 project was in high gear, Wedgetail was to be the development platform. And things may change again such that the E-10 project (or a successor) may be jumpstarted.
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RE: E3C/D Vs Wedgetail 737

Sat Dec 09, 2006 4:02 am

Quoting EBJ1248650 (Reply 2):
Are there any plans to replace the E-3 in USAF service in the not-too-distant future?



Quoting N328KF (Reply 3):
To be sure, the MESA radar on the Wedgetail is intended to be a template for the future U.S. AEW direction. While the E-10 project was in high gear, Wedgetail was to be the development platform. And things may change again such that the E-10 project (or a successor) may be jumpstarted.

Although the E-10 program is not officially canceled, it was pushed back so far to the back burner, it has actually fallen off the stove now.

But, I doubt we will see any E-3 replacement until 2020 (at least). The airframe still has a lot of life left in it, and it is easily upgraded to keep up with the latest bells and whistles.
 
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RE: E3C/D Vs Wedgetail 737

Sat Dec 09, 2006 5:38 am

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 4):
But, I doubt we will see any E-3 replacement until 2020 (at least). The airframe still has a lot of life left in it, and it is easily upgraded to keep up with the latest bells and whistles.

If the E-3 airframe can get some needed upgrades such as electrical distribution , cockpit upgrades and maybe some new engines it might make it past 2020. The E-6 is light years ahead of it with air frame upgrades. The E-3 's are just now getting some TCAS upgrades and still uses a navigator. The 737-900 would be a good replacement it is about as long as an 707. The galleys would also be a nice upgrade instead of the jiffy pop ovens an inoperable potable water systems and coffee pots.
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RE: E3C/D Vs Wedgetail 737

Sat Dec 09, 2006 5:44 am

One thing's for sure, every drawing I've seen of the E-10 doesn't look nearly as sexy as the E-3 or JSDF E-767 with the big rotodome at the top.
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RE: E3C/D Vs Wedgetail 737

Sat Dec 09, 2006 7:48 am

It is only the US E-3 with the water issue the others have it and it works fine. Yes a microwave would be better than the ovens. It would be nice if the US E-3s could take a page from NATO and get all the freezers to works Big grin (Ditto the Brits )

The E-3 doesn't need new engines when the Air Force has 100s of TF-33s sitting around Tinker. The E-10 is basically dead, and the E-3 was the third spiral of the program anyway. The JASDF E-767 has the same Radar as the current E-3. The An/APY-2 is an awesome radar. It is the nice scope and computer upgrades that are going to make the E-3 an even better air battle management system. NATO mid-term is on the way as is the US Block 40 upgrade. All is well with the E-3s for years to come. THe E-3 block 40 could have dumped the nav but the nav union has to keep putting navs somewhere so they let them keep a job...

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RE: E3C/D Vs Wedgetail 737

Sat Dec 09, 2006 4:21 pm

Quoting Lt-AWACS (Reply 7):

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Very well put. Basically...the USAF E-3 Sentry is here to stay!

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RE: E3C/D Vs Wedgetail 737

Sat Dec 09, 2006 5:35 pm

Avsfan, sadly all the EWDs will be retired in about a year. Most are here at NATO as they get booted at Tinker. Really stupid decision to get rid of WDs but that is the AF. I know several that went to Gun Pigs at Hurly though.

ALL The E-3 will be around until at least 2020-2025. The only ones I could see moving are the Saudi 5 but when Pakistan offered to buy them Saudi said no so maybe even Saudi Arabia will keep theirs. I've flown on US, NATO, British and Saudi E-3s and the Saudi ones are still the most basic.

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RE: E3C/D Vs Wedgetail 737

Sun Dec 10, 2006 1:05 am

Quoting Lt-AWACS (Reply 9):
Avsfan, sadly all the EWDs will be retired in about a year. Most are here at NATO as they get booted at Tinker. Really stupid decision to get rid of WDs but that is the AF.


Even though I retired in Mar 2005, Unfortunately I am well aware of the WD status. You are right in the fact that the USAF is doing the wrong thing.

Quoting Lt-AWACS (Reply 9):
I know several that went to Gun Pigs at Hurly though.

Some of my best friends from KTIK went to "pop bad guys" from the AC-130 Gunship. I know one of them does not regret the move and is enjoying it.

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RE: E3C/D Vs Wedgetail 737

Sun Dec 10, 2006 2:46 pm

Have been retired from AWACS since Jan 03 started out in Oct 81 left Sep 84 came back in Apr 91 (962nd in Kef) then got BRAC'd back to the them Oct 93 and stayed around until I retired.
I remember about the enlisted WD's and all the money the AF was going to save having those spots as enlisted then someone came up with the idea of making those positions "rated" officers. I guess the the AF could not stomach rated enlisted. Could not get that around that BS flag on a defense apporpiations commitee, if you have rated enlisted WD's why not enlisted or warrant officer pilots, Navs. Why are we paying o-5's to fly as ACC when you can get an E-7 to do it for an whole lot cheaper. Don't give me the excuse of an college degree makes you a better pilot. Chuck Yeager didn't have a degree when he was a Capt breaking the sound barrier. I guess with all the O-5's and O-6's doing crew positons of a O-1 thru O -4 which an E could also do I guess the 40K cuts of man power are coming around to bite everyone in the butt.
I foresee on any USAF flightline in 5 years aircrew going nuts becuase they don't have enough mx troops around because of all the experiance retired and the new mx troops not having a clue because of very little experianced troops with corporate knowledge being available to train newbe's so everybody has to learn the hard way.
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RE: E3C/D Vs Wedgetail 737

Sun Dec 10, 2006 9:55 pm

Quoting Venus6971 (Reply 11):
I foresee on any USAF flightline in 5 years aircrew going nuts becuase they don't have enough mx troops around because of all the experiance retired and the new mx troops not having a clue because of very little experianced troops with corporate knowledge being available to train newbe's so everybody has to learn the hard way.

I see that happening now in the non-MX, non-aircrew portion of the AF. Orderly rooms have been a disaster for sometime now -- you can't get a decent product out of them or PCIII/milpds as a result.
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RE: E3C/D Vs Wedgetail 737

Mon Dec 11, 2006 6:08 am

The news I have is that all of the Enlised WDs are to be disposed of by 2008 with a lot of them that are cross-training as we speak. One of my best friends at KTIK will start his cross training at the end of this year and another will move onto load master early next year. Believe it or not, but the rated AWO community did not want to see the EWDs go away. Unfortunately when you have the higher-ups in the 5 sided building and ACC (who did not really want the EWDs around) making decisions...then guess what you get. I am really starting to feel that I made the right choice and retire when I did. My old AWACS SQ (960th Vikings) lost at least 5 Enlisted WDs within a six month time period. 2 of us were evaluators and the other 3 were at least instructors. Total experience lost was approximately 50 yrs.
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RE: E3C/D Vs Wedgetail 737

Mon Dec 11, 2006 10:45 pm

Quoting Venus6971 (Reply 11):
(962nd in Kef)

I am self correcting myself, I was in the 960th in NAS Keflavik. I guess with the cutbacks I am starting to understand why the F-22 has only 2 mx specialties. Avionics and Crew Chief, they couldn't afford a jet mech and electrican/eviromental and still take delivery on the jet. I hear in my old career field of Crew Chief only 1 out 10 first termers get a CJR unless they want to xtrain into a special op's career and become a snake eater. It takes about 7 to 8 years to get a Crew Chief to really be good at his job and were kicking him out at 4 and the career NCO Crew Chief is being forced Xtrain at his midterm point in his 20 year career so he can sit in a shopping mall lying about what a great life the USAF gave him. I am glad I retired when I did.
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