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Condition Of RAF Tristar Fleet

Sat Dec 09, 2006 6:57 am

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2006560789,00.html


Not my main newspaper, but is there anything in this.

I do know that there are 9 not 7 Tristars
 
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RE: Condition Of RAF Tristar Fleet

Sat Dec 09, 2006 10:00 am

Theres an essential rule of thumb to be had here - if its published in The Sun, forget it, if its published in another newspaper, consider it. The Sun doest rate highly at all, its sensationalist at best.
 
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RE: Condition Of RAF Tristar Fleet

Sun Dec 10, 2006 5:45 am

When the RAF got them in the early 80's they were second hand so they will have flown a fair few hours by now. It will not be an exaggeration to say that they are past their best.
 
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RE: Condition Of RAF Tristar Fleet

Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:28 am

At sale to the RAF, the BA -500 fleet had low hrs, they were only a few yesrs old, so head starts there.
Of course they'll have been hard worked in RAF service, never as much as in recent years.

The RAF converted the 6 ex BA aircraft to tanker/transport config.
3 ex Pan Am ones were brought a bit later, were not converted to the tanker role but used as general transports.
Whether all 3 of these, or just 2, are in operation I'm not sure.

Agreed about The Sun, c'mon it's a tabloid, more interested in what anorexic micro celeb is not wearing kinckers.
But the papers in general are crap, context free, pushing an agenda, only wanting 'shock horror' stories.
The Telegraph's defence reporting is widely seen as a joke, despite being a military historian, Max Hastings almost weekly makes an idiot of himself in print, with his obsession about the Typhoon, 'only capable of shooting down Soviet bombers' was a recent one from him.
 
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RE: Condition Of RAF Tristar Fleet

Mon Dec 11, 2006 3:02 am

Quoting GDB (Reply 3):
Agreed about The Sun, c'mon it's a tabloid, more interested in what anorexic micro celeb is not wearing kinckers.
But the papers in general are crap, context free, pushing an agenda, only wanting 'shock horror' stories.
The Telegraph's defence reporting is widely seen as a joke, despite being a military historian, Max Hastings almost weekly makes an idiot of himself in print, with his obsession about the Typhoon, 'only capable of shooting down Soviet bombers' was a recent one from him.

Is this simply a problem of the tri-Stars being over due their D checks?

I here what you are saying about the Sun, and their reporting. We have the same problem with papers like the NY Times, Washington Post, LA Times, Boston Globe, and USA Today. Most days the National Enquirer is a much more entertaining read.
 
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RE: Condition Of RAF Tristar Fleet

Mon Dec 11, 2006 4:23 am

The highest cycle/hour RAF Tristar tanker/freighter has approximately 8,300 cycles and 33,000 hours. For their passenger fleet it is about 10,000 cycles and 47,000 hours.

In comparison the TZ L-1011-500 fleet averages about 21,000 cycles and 75,000 hours.
 
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RE: Condition Of RAF Tristar Fleet

Mon Dec 11, 2006 4:57 am

Quoting 474218 (Reply 5):
In comparison

Good post, 474218. Maybe someone should e-mail the Sun the facts?
"When all is said and done, more will be said than done".
 
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RE: Condition Of RAF Tristar Fleet

Mon Dec 11, 2006 7:10 am

Well I'm due to be flying down to the Falklands on an RAF Tristar in January. I'm quite looking forward to it actually! The Tristar is a favourite of mine, and I haven't been on one since my family used to fly on the old Caledonian Tristars back in the 1980's.
 
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RE: Condition Of RAF Tristar Fleet

Mon Dec 11, 2006 7:10 pm

Quoting 474218 (Reply 5):
The highest cycle/hour RAF Tristar tanker/freighter has approximately 8,300 cycles and 33,000 hours. For their passenger fleet it is about 10,000 cycles and 47,000 hours.

That is relitively low time and cycles for any airplane of that size.
 
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RE: Condition Of RAF Tristar Fleet

Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:40 am

474218, thanks for the valuable info.
As stated, low hrs relatively, however the tankers in particular would operate at highter weights often, as well as a generally more ardous life compared to a commercial L1011.
But it seems that tabloids are not interested in the raw facts like you just posted, would any of them actually understand them at all, or in context?
 
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RE: Condition Of RAF Tristar Fleet

Sat Dec 16, 2006 5:08 pm

Quoting GDB (Reply 9):
But it seems that tabloids are not interested in the raw facts like you just posted, would any of them actually understand them at all, or in context?

Of course they understand. All "jorninalist" are experts in everything. That is why they can advise us who is best to vote for, advise Bush and Blair on how to run a war, etc. LOL  banghead 
 
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RE: Condition Of RAF Tristar Fleet

Sat Dec 16, 2006 10:14 pm

Thanks for all the feedback.

The Sun is not my normal source, (honest)  Smile

474218

Do you have the figures for all of the RAF L1011.

If so, that would be interesting.

Thank you.

David
 
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RE: Condition Of RAF Tristar Fleet

Tue Jan 02, 2007 8:20 am

Didn't the RAF loose a L-1011 tanker several years ago, in a landing accident?
 
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RE: Condition Of RAF Tristar Fleet

Tue Jan 02, 2007 9:19 am

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 12):
Didn't the RAF loose a L-1011 tanker several years ago, in a landing accident?

No.
 
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RE: Condition Of RAF Tristar Fleet

Tue Jan 02, 2007 9:46 am

Why don't they just truck the troops into Kuwait and fly them out on charters? Hell its how we do it alot of time...
 
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RE: Condition Of RAF Tristar Fleet

Tue Jan 02, 2007 11:15 am

Quoting BladeLWS (Reply 14):
Why don't they just truck the troops into Kuwait and fly them out on charters? Hell its how we do it alot of time...

Six of the RAF TriStars are tankers, they are used for refueling missions not troop transports (even though they retain that capability). The other three, passenger aircraft, have other missions besides flying troops to the Middle East.
 
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RE: Condition Of RAF Tristar Fleet

Wed Jan 03, 2007 12:07 am

As an aside will these birds be due for replacement any time soon - or will the MRTT A330s be doing both roles - the tanking and the people carrying?
 
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RE: Condition Of RAF Tristar Fleet

Wed Jan 03, 2007 1:05 am

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 16):
As an aside will these birds be due for replacement any time soon - or will the MRTT A330s be doing both roles - the tanking and the people carrying?

MRTT = Multi Role Tanker Transport.

So, yes  Smile
 
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RE: Condition Of RAF Tristar Fleet

Wed Jan 03, 2007 3:20 am

KC135TopBoom, IIRC, the first fully converted ex BA L1011, did have a landing accident just after it's conversion, this was in 1985 I think, but it returned to service.

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