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US Army Receives First UH-72A Lakota

Wed Dec 13, 2006 5:08 am

The LUH program is moving ahead full speed. Yesterday the US Army took delivery of the first EC145, and officially announced its identification will be the UH-72 Lakota.

Fair use except. US Army Public Relations Release:

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Business Wire | December 12, 2006
COLUMBUS, Miss. - EADS North America officially delivered the U.S. Army's first UH-72A Light Utility Helicopter yesterday, marking the beginning of this major defense program with a requirement for up to 322 rotary-wing aircraft and a potential total life-cycle value of over $2 billion.

The initial UH-72A was received by the Army during a delivery and naming ceremony in Columbus, Mississippi, where the twin-engine helicopter will be produced.

EADS North America is to deliver a second UH-72A before year-end, responding early to the Army's rapid phase-in schedule for the helicopter, which will be used on logistical and support missions within the United States. Forty more light utility helicopters currently are in the production cycle for delivery to the Army during 2007 and 2008.

"EADS North America is fully committed to meeting the Army's fast-paced requirement for UH-72A deliveries," said Ralph Crosby, Jr., EADS North America's Chairman and CEO. "We are proud to provide the UH-72A months ahead of schedule, an accomplishment that reflects our decision to locate production in Mississippi and our prior investment in this program's success."

At today's delivery ceremony, the Army also unveiled the UH-72A's official name: Lakota, which is a Native American Indian tribe of the Great Sioux Nation. Naming the UH-72A the Lakota continues the service's tradition of naming its helicopters after Native American tribes.

To date, the Army has ordered a total of 42 UH-72As from EADS North America, along with the associated training services for pilots and maintenance personnel. This contract expands EADS North America's 20-year heritage as a supplier to U.S. homeland security and law enforcement agencies, including the U.S. Coast Guard, U.S. Customs and Border Protection, the Drug Enforcement Agency, FBI, and numerous state and local law enforcement agencies across the United States.

The Columbus, Mississippi factory of EADS North America's American Eurocopter business unit is undergoing a major expansion to support the UH-72A production, assembly and delivery. Industrial activity at Columbus is starting with the Light Utility Helicopter's build-up and acceptance for delivery, and will subsequently transition to full-scale production with the facility expanding to a total covered area of 325,000 sq. ft. to be completed in the fall of 2007.

Employment at the American Eurocopter facility - which is located adjacent to Columbus' Golden Triangle Regional Airport - has grown steadily since the facility was opened in 2004 with an initial staff of 44. Today, employment at the facility is approximately 140, and will continue to grow to approximately 330 in support of UH-72A production and assembly.

In addition to the UH-72A program, activity at the Columbus factory includes production/assembly of AS350 and EC120 helicopters for U.S. Customs and Border Protection and other government/law enforcement agencies in North America, as well as support for the U.S. Coast Guard's modernization of its HH-65 Dolphin helicopter fleet.

"I am very pleased that the highly skilled workforce in Columbus and East Mississippi is putting our state at the forefront of this important new national defense initiative. We're proud to be a partner in the UH-72A program and with EADS North America's industrial growth," Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour said.

"EADS North America is meeting its goal of establishing a major manufacturing presence in our state," said Senator Thad Cochran of Mississippi. "Its continued growth will be a substantial economic benefit to Mississippians."

"With today's UH-72A delivery milestone, Mississippi expands its contribution to and presence in America's aerospace and defense community," said Mississippi Senator Trent Lott. "The U.S. Army and EADS North America can count on the dedication of our entire state in meeting the Light Utility Helicopter delivery requirements, and for other key homeland security and defense programs in the future."

"The UH-72A will strengthen our nation's defense, benefit Mississippi's economy and create high-paying jobs," stated Congressman Roger Wicker, representing the First Congressional District of Mississippi. "This is certainly a win-win program for both the state and the nation."

Mississippi's Third District Representative, Congressman Chip Pickering, said, "Today marks another milestone in Mississippi's commitment to our men and women in uniform and to protecting the peace and security of our citizens at home. We in the Golden Triangle Region are proud to be the home of the UH-72A Lakota."

EADS North America leads a UH-72A team of industrial partners and subcontractors committed to delivering the best-value Light Utility Helicopter solution to the Army. Partners include American Eurocopter, which is handling the helicopter's production, assembly, delivery and training for the Army; CAE, the supplier of UH-72A cockpit procedural trainers; and Turbomeca USA, which produces the aircraft's Arriel 1E2 engines.

EADS North America is the North American operations of EADS, the second largest aerospace and defense company in the world. As a leader in all sectors of defense and homeland security, EADS North America and its parent company, EADS, contribute over $8.5 billion to the U.S. economy annually and support more than 174,000 American jobs through its network of suppliers and services. With 11 operating companies located in 32 cities and 17 states, EADS North America offers a broad array of advanced solutions to its customers in the commercial, homeland security, aerospace and defense markets.

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Exciting news!

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RE: US Army Receives First UH-72A Lakota

Wed Dec 13, 2006 5:33 am

NICE.

Is it me or is that a goofy place to put the FLIR?

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RE: US Army Receives First UH-72A Lakota

Wed Dec 13, 2006 5:38 am

Very nice looking helo. I guess this now lays to rest the various protests that were hurled its way, and also confirm the fairness of the selection and award process. It will serve the Army well, but might it also see a role in the Mideast theater?
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RE: US Army Receives First UH-72A Lakota

Wed Dec 13, 2006 6:05 am

Quoting Sprout5199 (Reply 1):
Is it me or is that a goofy place to put the FLIR

Actually it is a FBSOTOSLIR

(Forward, but slightly off to one side - looking infra red)
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RE: US Army Receives First UH-72A Lakota

Thu Dec 14, 2006 6:39 am

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
US Army Receives First UH-72A Lakota

Looks like a flying dildo. I can't believe you bastards let the Europeans do this for you.





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RE: US Army Receives First UH-72A Lakota

Thu Dec 14, 2006 7:19 am

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 4):
Looks like a flying dildo.

Hmm... maybe I need to spend more time at adult stores, for I can't say I've ever seen a dildo with rotors  Smile

Seriously, though, nice to see some new metal in the arsenal and an added boost to the economy. The EC145/UH-72 frame is aesthetically quite similar to the BO105; if it possesses that aircraft's handling qualities, then it should be a very effective platform.

This is probably a stupid question, but what exactly is involved in the LUH mission? A Kiowa replacement, perhaps?
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RE: US Army Receives First UH-72A Lakota

Thu Dec 14, 2006 7:39 am

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 4):
Looks like a flying dildo.

Yeah?

And did you get all hot and hard, down in your pants? You Navy guys certainly know all about dildos and how to suck golf balls out of garden hoses.  Wink

Quoting Sylvcath (Reply 5):
This is probably a stupid question, but what exactly is involved in the LUH mission? A Kiowa replacement, perhaps?

No - it will be stateside only. Maybe a few in foreign nations for support - but nothing combat related.

It will basically replace all of the aging Hueys and OH58A/Cs. Stateside VIP transport, med-evac, boarder monitoring, stateside logistical transportation, aid and assist local law enforcement, etc...

The problem is - right now a lot of the Hueys and OH58s are becoming unsafe or maintenance hogs. So UH60s are being pulled off the line to replace them... UH60s that could otherwise be out fighting in the war.

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RE: US Army Receives First UH-72A Lakota

Thu Dec 14, 2006 8:11 am

Ah, thanks for that.

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 6):
The problem is - right now a lot of the Hueys and OH58s are becoming unsafe or maintenance hogs.

Aye, I read that prior to receiving the UH-60s, the DE ArNG could only keep one or two Hueys airworthy at any one time. They still use them for SAR / MedEvac, probably not for long though.
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RE: US Army Receives First UH-72A Lakota

Thu Dec 14, 2006 11:47 am

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 6):
It will basically replace all of the aging Hueys and OH58A/Cs. Stateside VIP transport, med-evac, boarder monitoring, stateside logistical transportation, aid and assist local law enforcement, etc...

The problem is - right now a lot of the Hueys and OH58s are becoming unsafe or maintenance hogs. So UH60s are being pulled off the line to replace them... UH60s that could otherwise be out fighting in the war.

I thought they were non-tactical UH-60 replacements for CONUS (MAST, MEDEVAC, RAID, etc.). The reason being the UH-1s and OH-58A/Cs were out the door anyway and HQDA wanted the UH-60s back to tactical units.

Either way, I think the Army made a good choice in the EC-145.
 
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RE: US Army Receives First UH-72A Lakota

Thu Dec 14, 2006 2:04 pm

Quoting Echster (Reply 8):

I thought they were non-tactical UH-60 replacements for CONUS (MAST, MEDEVAC, RAID, etc.). The reason being the UH-1s and OH-58A/Cs were out the door anyway and HQDA wanted the UH-60s back to tactical units.

I'm not sure I understand what you are saying.

The UH60s that are currently filling the gaps created by the UH1s/OH58s, are your standard Alpha and Lima models.

The only thing that makes a UH60 "tactical" and "non-tactical" is whether or not certain equipment items are installed - M240Bs, ALQ144, M130s, APR39, radio packages, etc... All of which can easily be put in or out. So, excluding the VIP birds at Fort Belvoir, there is really no such thing as a "non-tactical UH60."

The hope is to keep the UH60 as a war bird, and not a home bird.

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RE: US Army Receives First UH-72A Lakota

Thu Dec 14, 2006 2:13 pm

I think I actually saw this aircraft at Prescott (PRC) a couple weeks ago. I was heading out to my friends 414 and it came in and put down in front of our helicopter flight school (Guidance Helicopters) but then left like 15 min later. I didn't see the N-number as it was getting dark, but it was a civil reg and painted EXACTLY the same.

Anyone have any ideas of what it was?
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RE: US Army Receives First UH-72A Lakota

Thu Dec 14, 2006 5:08 pm

Quoting Sylvcath (Reply 5):
quite similar to the BO105

Not 100 % right the EC 145 is the successor of the BK 117 developed by MBB and Kawasaki. The EC 145 is also called the BK 117C-2
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RE: US Army Receives First UH-72A Lakota

Thu Dec 14, 2006 9:55 pm

How bullet-resistant is that big-bubble windscreen?

It would seem difficult to make such a compound shape stand up to AAA, or even AA fire without completely failing.

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RE: US Army Receives First UH-72A Lakota

Fri Dec 15, 2006 12:19 am

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 6):
the aging Hueys

All right Blackhawk! Step outside! I'll show you aging...

Seriously, doesn't Bell still make 205/212/214?
Wouldn't the Army keep fleet compatibility or are the Bell products just outclassed?

Or is it that Lady Bird Johnson isn't the major stockholder in Bell Helicotper anymore so they don't have to buy them?
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RE: US Army Receives First UH-72A Lakota

Fri Dec 15, 2006 9:54 am

It made the wiki...

Wikipedia Lakota entry

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RE: US Army Receives First UH-72A Lakota

Fri Dec 15, 2006 2:01 pm

Quoting Migfan (Reply 12):
How bullet-resistant is that big-bubble windscreen?

It would seem difficult to make such a compound shape stand up to AAA, or even AA fire without completely failing.



Well Migfan, I believe this has already been discussed and answered for you. Please see:

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
UH-72A .... which will be used on logistical and support missions within the United States.



Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 6):
It will basically replace all of the aging Hueys and OH58A/Cs. Stateside VIP transport, med-evac, boarder monitoring, stateside logistical transportation, aid and assist local law enforcement, etc...



Quoting Echster (Reply 8):
replacements for CONUS (MAST, MEDEVAC, RAID, etc.)

Hope that cleared up your concerns about the EC145's large cockpit windows!  Smile

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RE: US Army Receives First UH-72A Lakota

Fri Dec 15, 2006 2:27 pm

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 13):
Wouldn't the Army keep fleet compatibility or are the Bell products just outclassed?

During the LUH competition Bell competed with the 412 (AugustaWestland competed with the AG139, and MD Helicopters competed with the MD900) A lot of people predicted the Bell 412 would come out on top... but if you looked at the mission, and what each helicopter offered, the EC145 was unquestionably the right helicopter.

Plus, I wonder how much commonality really exists between the Hueys currently in the inventory, and the 412?

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RE: US Army Receives First UH-72A Lakota

Fri Dec 15, 2006 4:06 pm

I've driven by that factory...it looks sort of out of place because it's so shiny and new.
 
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RE: US Army Receives First UH-72A Lakota

Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:00 pm

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 16):
Plus, I wonder how much commonality really exists between the Hueys currently in the inventory, and the 412?

Your assumption is correct. About the same commonality as between a 1966 Ford Mustang and a 2006 Ford Mustang.

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RE: US Army Receives First UH-72A Lakota

Sun Dec 17, 2006 9:44 pm

Why exactly are all US helicopters named after some indian tribe?
 
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RE: US Army Receives First UH-72A Lakota

Mon Dec 18, 2006 2:32 am

Not all US helos are named as such~ only the ARMY's~
Being that I'm in the NAVY, I have no idea why...
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RE: US Army Receives First UH-72A Lakota

Mon Dec 18, 2006 12:42 pm

as far as i know, army helos have always been named after native american tribes. guess that'll never change.

anyway, i was wondering what are the differences between the UH-72 and an EC-135. i see the FLIR mounted on the skid, what else is different? will the panel be NOD compatable? what is the pax capacity? does this mean that the UH-60s that are currently assigned to CONUS units be reassigned to combat units for overseas deployment? how many -72s are going to be purchsed and how man -1s and -58s are going to be decomissioned. can i get one of those UH-1s? this defintely looks like a very fun helo to fly, would love to get my hands on one...

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RE: US Army Receives First UH-72A Lakota

Mon Dec 18, 2006 1:21 pm

Quoting PADSpot (Reply 19):
Why exactly are all US helicopters named after some indian tribe?

Its the traditional naming convention.

Just like the Army names it's tanks after Generals.
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RE: US Army Receives First UH-72A Lakota

Mon Dec 18, 2006 1:23 pm

Quoting Cancidas (Reply 21):
does this mean that the UH-60s that are currently assigned to CONUS units be reassigned to combat units for overseas deployment? how many -72s are going to be purchsed and how man -1s and -58s are going to be decomissioned. can i get one of those UH-1s? this defintely looks like a very fun helo to fly, would love to get my hands on one...

I don't have an answer for everything, but I think the UH-60s assigned to TDA units will move to MTOE units.

Up to 322 UH-72s will be bought.

All of the OH-58s and UH-1s are going. Not sure if you can get one. You'll be in line behind the countries in the foreign assistance line.
 
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RE: US Army Receives First UH-72A Lakota

Mon Dec 18, 2006 1:47 pm

Quoting L-188 (Reply 22):
Its the traditional naming convention.

IIRC, some Native Americans protested about a similar practice with general aviation aircraft, and asked that it be stopped.

Quoting Echster (Reply 23):
and UH-1s are going

The PAF received five in September per Air Forces Monthly's Nov '06 issue, and are also seeking AH-1 Cobras.
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