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Wed Dec 20, 2006 8:23 pm

The reception of the first A400M Horizontal Tail Plane took place today at the EADS CASA final assembly line in San Pablo (Seville).

This Horizontal Tail Plane was sent from the EADS CASA facilities in Tablada where it is produced, to the structural test facilities of the Final Assembly Line, where it will undergo a series of tests before its assembly on the aircraft.

Today’s event represents a special milestone for EADS CASA since this Horizontal Tail Plane is the first A400M component delivered to the Final Assembly Line where assembly, final integration, and flight test of the A400M will take place. This is a further demonstration that the A400M programme is continuing to fully meet its targets.

The Horizontal Tail Plane is constructed mainly of Carbon Fibre Composite Material and incorporates the most advanced materials, technologies and manufacturing processes resulting from the vast experience of EADS CASA in developing stabilizers. It has been designed and manufactured by EADS CASA in collaboration with Airbus Spain together with a number of other industrial partners including SACESA, SK10 and ICSA CTRM. The assembly and installation of the various systems is undertaken at Tablada using the most advanced jig systems, tooling and assembling processes.


http://www.eads.com/1024/en/pressdb/...20Aircraft/20061220_mta_a400m.html

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Thu Dec 21, 2006 12:37 am

that's impressive... when are they going to fly one? they have the balls to sue canada to keep them from buying the C-17. will they finally offer and airplane that flys?
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Is A400 a thing between C-130 and C-17? Is it closer to C-17 than to a C-130? If you realy need a C-17,could you realy replace it with a A400?
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Thu Dec 21, 2006 3:12 am

Quoting SAS A340 (Reply 2):
Is A400 a thing between C-130 and C-17? Is it closer to C-17 than to a C-130? If you realy need a C-17,could you realy replace it with a A400?

C-130J

Payload: 41,790 lb (18,955 kg)
Range: 2,835 nm (5,254 km)
Cruise: Mach .58

A400M

Payload: 81,500 lb (37,000 kg)
Range: 1,800 nm (3,300 km)
Cruise: Mach .72

C-17

Payload: 170,900 lb (77,520 kg)
Range: 2,400 nm (4,440 km)
Cruise: Mach .77

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_airlift

Nearly twice the payload of a C-130J and half that of the C-17. A fair bit faster than the Herc, not much slower than the C-17 - not bad from a turboprop. You can also set the A400M down in a lot of places you couldn't put a C-17.
 
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Thu Dec 21, 2006 3:15 am

Quoting Filton (Reply 3):
You can also set the A400M down in a lot of places you couldn't put a C-17.

Right, though the A400M is still pretty much tactical (despite protestations from EADS) and the C-17 is definitely considered a strategic bird. And the C-17 can lift an M1 (or things of that caliber), far beyond what an A400M can do.
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Quoting Filton (Reply 3):
Nearly twice the payload of a C-130J and half that of the C-17. A fair bit faster than the Herc, not much slower than the C-17 - not bad from a turboprop. You can also set the A400M down in a lot of places you couldn't put a C-17.

Not so bad for a turboprop indeed,Thank,s  Smile
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Thu Dec 21, 2006 9:15 am

Quoting SAS A340 (Reply 2):
Is A400 a thing between C-130 and C-17?

As answered before, correct

Quoting SAS A340 (Reply 2):
If you realy need a C-17,could you realy replace it with a A400?

If you need to get a MBT like a Leopard 2 or M1 into the battlefield, no.

I think C-17s and A400M complement each other perfectly. I think the US should buy some A400Ms, and Europe should buy more C-17s. Placing some C-17s under NATO command, like it is done with the AWACS, would be a great thing if you ask me.
 
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Thu Dec 21, 2006 9:28 am

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 6):
I think C-17s and A400M complement each other perfectly. I think the US should buy some A400Ms, and Europe should buy more C-17s. Placing some C-17s under NATO command, like it is done with the AWACS, would be a great thing if you ask me.

Not a bad idea at all. With the FCA being procured in significant numbers, the USAF could use a larger tactical airlifter that would fill the gap between the FCA/C-130 and the C-17/C-5. However, with the WTO case heating up, given the reality of the politics involved is that, in my very humble opinion, no EADS aircraft--including the tanker--will be procured until this thing is settled.
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Thu Dec 21, 2006 1:02 pm

payload aside, the range simply sucks. it would have to be staged in-theater to get the most use out of it as a tactical xport. then again, with air-to-air refueling you can fly anywhere.
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Fri Dec 22, 2006 12:46 am

Quoting Cancidas (Reply 8):
payload aside, the range simply sucks. it would have to be staged in-theater to get the most use out of it as a tactical xport. then again, with air-to-air refueling you can fly anywhere.

The A400M's rage as stated above, refers to range at max payload, while the 5400km of the Herc seem a bit high. Maybe ferry range?. Additionally the A400M is capable of receiving fuel in the air. Hence the range isn't really a shortfall of the A400M ...
 
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Fri Dec 22, 2006 12:53 am

Quoting PADSpot (Reply 9):
Additionally the A400M is capable of receiving fuel in the air.

For that matter, so does the C-130. However, for some tactical operations, maybe you wouldn't be able to get refuelled in the air. Plus that's assuming that the operator has a large enough fleet of tankers (or any at all) to make it happen.
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Fri Dec 22, 2006 1:35 am

Quoting PADSpot (Reply 9):
while the 5400km of the Herc seem a bit high.

Yes, the Lockheed spec sheet has it at 3,700nm max and drops it to 2,380nm with a 40,000lb load.

Quoting N328KF (Reply 10):
For that matter, so does the C-130

Is it a factory option tho? The RAF fleet was delivered without refueling system installed and the RAF are installing and certifying it at the moment on the J models.
 
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Quoting Filton (Reply 3):
Nearly twice the payload of a C-130J and half that of the C-17. A fair bit faster than the Herc, not much slower than the C-17 - not bad from a turboprop. You can also set the A400M down in a lot of places you couldn't put a C-17.

A400M from wiki
Tactical Takeoff Distance: 940 m (3 080 ft) (aircraft weight 100 tonnes, soft field, ISA, sea level)
Tactical Landing Distance: 625 m (2 050 ft) (see above)

C17 from wiki
The C-17 is designed to operate from runways as short as 3,000 ft (900 m) and as narrow as 90 ft (27 m). In addition, the C-17 can operate out of unpaved, unimproved runways (although this is rarely done due to the increased possibility of damage to the aircraft).

When I worked in product development on the C17 we were told that the mission of the C17 is to place a ready to fight MBT or equivalent cargo on a 5,000 foot unimproved airstrip. Point of fact, I was there during the entire construction of the first one through first flight, even though I didn't get over that side of the plant as often as I would have liked. And remember friends, it's a Douglas C-17. The only thing Boeing about it is the dataplate.

Quoting PADSpot (Reply 9):
Additionally the A400M is capable of receiving fuel in the air. Hence the range isn't really a shortfall of the A400M ...

As long as you've got someone who can provide in flight refueling, right? Who you gonna call?
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Quoting Dougloid (Reply 12):
The C-17 is designed to operate from runways as short as 3,000 ft (900 m) and as narrow as 90 ft (27 m). In addition, the C-17 can operate out of unpaved, unimproved runways (although this is rarely done due to the increased possibility of damage to the aircraft).

And then there's the proposed C-17B, which according to the WSJ (quoting Boeing), would be capable of landing on packed-sand beaches.
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Quoting SAS A340 (Reply 2):
Is A400 a thing between C-130 and C-17? Is it closer to C-17 than to a C-130? If you realy need a C-17,could you realy replace it with a A400?

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Quoting Dougloid (Reply 12):
Quoting PADSpot (Reply 9):
Additionally the A400M is capable of receiving fuel in the air. Hence the range isn't really a shortfall of the A400M ...

As long as you've got someone who can provide in flight refueling, right? Who you gonna call?

I forgot to add to this that, in such cases, it's not nice to piss off your Uncle Sugar....we got the flying gas stations.

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Quoting Dougloid (Reply 15):
I forgot to add to this that, in such cases, it's not nice to piss off your Uncle Sugar....we got the flying gas stations.

So do the UK, Germany, France, Australia.........
 
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Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 16):
So do the UK, Germany, France, Australia.........

What's the count?
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Quoting Dougloid (Reply 17):
What's the count?

Enough to do what we want with them.
 
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Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 18):
Quoting Dougloid (Reply 17):
What's the count?

Enough to do what we want with them.

So you say....what I was looking for, of course, was something with a little more depth than your answer offers....like a number.
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Quoting Dougloid (Reply 19):
So you say....what I was looking for, of course, was something with a little more depth than your answer offers....like a number.

The RAF has 26 air to air refuelers - 18 VC-10s and 8 Tristars. A large proportion of our 44 strong C-130 fleet has the ability to be converted quickly to tanker roles as well.

The RAAF has 4 B707 refuelers.

The Luftwaffe has 4 A310 MRTT refuelers.

The Royal Netherlands Airforce has 2 KC-10s.

France operates the KC-135, but I have been unable to determine exactly how many.

Italy has 4 B767 MRTT on order.

We arent dependant on the US airforce to supply us with fuel.
 
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Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 20):

We arent dependant on the US airforce to supply us with fuel.

Who is "us"? Certainly not the non-U.K. forces you listed. Only the U.K. has sufficient air tanker assets to conduct more than token power projection.
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Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 20):
France operates the KC-135, but I have been unable to determine exactly how many.

To answer my own - the French have 12 C-135FRs.

Quoting N328KF (Reply 21):
Who is "us"? Certainly not the non-U.K. forces you listed. Only the U.K. has sufficient air tanker assets to conduct more than token power projection.

How many of those airforces are likely to operate in a continued force projection mode outside of an American led theatre engagement? Dougloids comment had the tone of 'only the US can provide gas and therefor you are all reliant on the US' regardless of the situation, and thats what I took offence at.
 
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Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 22):
How many of those airforces are likely to operate in a continued force projection mode outside of an American led theatre engagement? Dougloids comment had the tone of 'only the US can provide gas and therefor you are all reliant on the US' regardless of the situation, and thats what I took offence at.

Don't take offence....you must learn the value of laughter.

It was a response to PADspot's comment about how range didn't matter with the A400M because it had in flight refueling capability.

I'd probably compare your list with the list of folks who are in line to get the A400M if the wikipedia list is accurate

Date Country EIS Orders
May 27, 2003 Germany 2010 60
May 27, 2003 France 2009 50
May 27, 2003 Spain 2011 27
May 27, 2003 UK 2010 25
May 27, 2003 Turkey 2009 10
May 27, 2003 Belgium 2018 7
May 27, 2003 Luxembourg 2017 1
December 15, 2004 South Africa 2010 8
July 15, 2005 Chile 2018 3
December 8, 2005 Malaysia 2013 4
Total: 195

That seems to suggest that there are a large number of A400s going to air forces without inflight refueling capability, as well as several countries on your list that have not ordered the A400M but who do have in flight refueling capability. Of course there are countries who have neither.
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Quoting Dougloid (Reply 23):
It was a response to PADspot's comment about how range didn't matter with the A400M because it had in flight refueling capability.

To cut a long story short, it's enough to say that all A400M are also designed as 3-point-tanker (including a 12ton add-on tank), i.e. once you have two you can potentially refuel yourself.

But as Richard said, A400M users have either themselves air tankers or have plenty of allies (even aside from the US) to provide sufficient air refueling capacity ... not really an issue.
 
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Mon Dec 25, 2006 2:19 am

Quoting N328KF (Reply 10):
Quoting PADSpot (Reply 9):
Additionally the A400M is capable of receiving fuel in the air.

For that matter, so does the C-130. However, for some tactical operations, maybe you wouldn't be able to get refuelled in the air. Plus that's assuming that the operator has a large enough fleet of tankers (or any at all) to make it happen.

Just a question, how many tactical ops are going to need a range of more than 1800nm?
 
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Mon Dec 25, 2006 6:41 am

Quoting PADSpot (Reply 24):
But as Richard said, A400M users have either themselves air tankers or have plenty of allies (even aside from the US) to provide sufficient air refueling capacity ... not really an issue.

well, that's true if you know what 'sufficient air refueling capacity' is in every context, and that's far from a given for some of the people wh've signed up for the A400M. To know in advance whether you have that capacity available, you'd need to know in advance what the mission profile is going to be, where you're going, what you plan to do when you get there and what to do when you decide to go home.

It's kind of like taking a trip somewhere without knowing whether there are any gas stations where you're going...I only did that once and it was an ugly experience.
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Quoting Dougloid (Reply 26):
well, that's true if you know what 'sufficient air refueling capacity' is in every context, and that's far from a given for some of the people wh've signed up for the A400M.

I can only think of South Africa and Malaysia in that context. And those are not really the countries who will regularly use their A400M in a more strategic role, like the European customers will probably do ... and finally nobody forced them to buy the A400M. It was their choice.

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 26):
To know in advance whether you have that capacity available, you'd need to know in advance what the mission profile is going to be, where you're going, what you plan to do when you get there and what to do when you decide to go home.

Yes, but where is the problem? This is standard mission planning. It is done today with much more inferior airplanes and less AAR-capacities available.

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 26):
It's kind of like taking a trip somewhere without knowing whether there are any gas stations where you're going...I only did that once and it was an ugly experience.

Rest assured that military mission planners are quite well trained on their job. They do not just start and try to find a gas station on the way. It is also a political question which country will allow you to refuel at one of their airports. It's not a question of the airplane.

Quoting Baroque (Reply 25):
Just a question, how many tactical ops are going to need a range of more than 1800nm?

The A400M's job description goes beyond plain tactical air transport. Having the active and passive AAR capability available on the same frame is what it makes so flexible with regards to more strategic jobs like Europe<-->Middle East sort of flights. Nobody argues that a A400M is better than a C-17 when it comes to real transcontinental flights like US<-->Middle East.
 
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In any case, the A400M is much better than the C-160 it replaces. My grandfather piloted one. He retired 1981, one year before I was born. When it was designed, missions in Uzbekistan, Afghanistan and the like were unthinkable, yet it has to do this job, and I think it is surprising how long this military hardware lasts.

Nevertheless, I would really like some C-17s as an addition to the A400M. Too bad the GDR did not have any IL76s, but even if they had had them, I am sure those would have been sold at once by our government anyway...

The problem of the A400M is not the plane, it is the date when it is available. Fortunately, slowly they are making progress here.
 
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Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 28):
The problem of the A400M is not the plane, it is the date when it is available. Fortunately, slowly they are making progress here.

The folks doing the A400M remind me of the coelacanth.

That was a fish that was thought to be extinct for hundreds of millions of years because it hadn't been heard from. A few years ago someone went fishing off the coast of Madagascar and reeled in a live, finctioning coelacanth. It seems that there was a good sized colony of the piscine recluses, happily going about their fishy business.

The moral of the story is that you can go a long way in this world by keeping your mouth shut and keeping your mind on your business.

A moral for our times? Yes. One I've thought worth adopting.
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Quoting PADSpot (Reply 27):
The A400M's job description goes beyond plain tactical air transport. Having the active and passive AAR capability available on the same frame is what it makes so flexible with regards to more strategic jobs like Europe<-->Middle East sort of flights.

But presumably, for longer distance flight, refueling missions could be mounted. So the range does not seem likely to impinge on many tactical operations. And for the more major efforts, refueling is available?
 
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Thu Dec 28, 2006 5:37 pm

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 28):
The problem of the A400M is not the plane, it is the date when it is available.

... which is a 100% political problem. The development process of the A400M itself is amazingly fast, similar to that of the B787.

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 29):
The moral of the story is that you can go a long way in this world by keeping your mouth shut and keeping your mind on your business.

Nice story though, but what do you mean? Do you praise the people at Airbus Military for keeping a low silhouette on their project instead of discussing everything in public? Sorry, I just don't understand what you try to say ...
 
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Quoting PADSpot (Reply 31):
ce story though, but what do you mean? Do you praise the people at Airbus Military for keeping a low silhouette on their project instead of discussing everything in public? Sorry, I just don't understand what you try to say ...

Pretty much self explanatory. When you're going about your business and keeping your own counsel and never promising things that maybe you can't deliver until you're sure of it, you will have a lot fewer Homer Simpson moments.
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Quoting Dougloid (Reply 32):

Pretty much self explanatory. When you're going about your business and keeping your own counsel and never promising things that maybe you can't deliver until you're sure of it, you will have a lot fewer Homer Simpson moments.

Ok, and who is now acting like this or supposed to act like this? Airbus? Sorry I am a bit slow on the uptake today ...
 
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Alas i can't find a link but i'm sure i read an article not long ago regarding the USAF thanking the RAF for always being there for them with our inflight refueling aircraft when they needed gas over Afghanistan.

I believe a quote was along the lines of ''we could always rely on them being there when we needed them''(?)

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 15):
it's not nice to piss off your Uncle Sugar....we got the flying gas stations.

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Quoting Gary2880 (Reply 34):
Alas i can't find a link but i'm sure i read an article not long ago regarding the USAF thanking the RAF for always being there for them with our inflight refueling aircraft when they needed gas over Afghanistan.

I believe a quote was along the lines of ''we could always rely on them being there when we needed them''(?)

I can think of a lot of things that would justify my arguments that I heard somewhere, just can't remember where or when....


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Sun Dec 31, 2006 8:51 pm

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 35):
I can think of a lot of things that would justify my arguments that I heard somewhere, just can't remember where or when....

What Gary is talking about is more a better match between our tankers and the US Navy borne aircraft than the US forces can provide -

Quote:

Mr. Hoon: I have not got five minutes left. I want to set out in detail for the benefit of Conservative Members the extent of the contribution of Her Majesty's armed forces in the campaign—not all of it has been properly recognised, especially in the media. It is therefore important that Opposition Members listen with the patience for which they are renowned.

I want to stress the importance of our air-to-air refuelling tankers and their role in coalition operations. They are essential to the operations of the United States navy's strike aircraft, on which so much of the coalition's air campaign has relied. Operating from its aircraft carriers, the US navy cannot fly tanker aircraft as large as ours. The US air force has many tanker aircraft but it uses a different technique, developed originally to refuel its strategic bombers. The RAF has therefore stepped in to fill that capability gap. The United States has welcomed its support, which it values enormously.

A few statistics illustrate the importance of the RAF's tankers. They have flown more than 280 sorties, each lasting up to eight hours. They have provided coalition aircraft with nearly 10 million litres of fuel, which is no small task.

http://www.publications.parliament.u...nsrd/vo011212/debtext/11212-19.htm

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The USAF tankers are not well matched to the US Navy's requirements. So to provide the range the US Navy fighter-bomber aircraft need to reach Afghanistan, they prefer to refuel from the RAF tankers, which they have to do both outbound and inbound to the carrier. The twin hose capability of the VC10, and the volume of fuel available for offload from the Tristar, are essential to getting the US Navy bombers to their targets. They could not mount such long-range missions without our support. Our main Navy customers are F/A-18 Hornet fighter-bombers and EA-6 Prowler aircraft, which are used to suppress the opposition' s defences.

http://www.raf.mod.uk/news/archive/2001/veribrief.html

Its really a case of both systems being run by the US and RAF have their own places.
 
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RE: A400M- First Tail Plane Delivered.

Mon Jan 01, 2007 12:22 am

Quoting Gary2880 (Reply 34):
Alas i can't find a link but i'm sure i read an article not long ago regarding the USAF thanking the RAF for always being there for them with our inflight refueling aircraft when they needed gas over Afghanistan.

I believe a quote was along the lines of ''we could always rely on them being there when we needed them''(?)

The quotes given by RP are probably the source, but I read similar material in Air International.
 
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RE: A400M- First Tail Plane Delivered.

Mon Jan 01, 2007 12:30 am

Quoting Gary2880 (Reply 34):
Alas i can't find a link but i'm sure i read an article not long ago regarding the USAF thanking the RAF for always being there for them with our inflight refueling aircraft when they needed gas over Afghanistan.

I believe a quote was along the lines of ''we could always rely on them being there when we needed them''(?)

Seriously doubt it was the USAF. Unless the RAF has some boom equipped VC-10s hiding somehwere. USMC or USN maybe?
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RE: A400M- First Tail Plane Delivered.

Mon Jan 01, 2007 4:34 am

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 35):
just can't remember where or when....

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Thank you for the help Richard.

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