Skidmarque
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Did The Royal Air Force Ever Operate The Neptune?

Fri Mar 23, 2007 3:22 am

I'm reading a book at the moment, 'Vulcan 607' about the Operaion Black Buck bombing raid that the RAF ran during the Falklands campaign in 1982, striking the airfield at Port Stanley from Ascension Island.
In it, the author states that at the time the Argentinians operated the Lockheed Neptune which, he goes on to say, were the very same aircraft once operated by the RAF themselves !
Now I know that my memory is not the greatest, but is that really true ?
I have absolutely no recollection of that, if it is true, and I've definately never seen any evidence.
Now, assuming that the author has got this wrong, which aircraft is he actually talking about ? Can anybody recall what Argentina were using in the maritime recon. role at the time ?
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RE: Did The Royal Air Force Ever Operate The Neptune?

Fri Mar 23, 2007 4:36 am

That is a great book!
The RAF did operate early model Neptune aircraft, in the early to mid 1950's, provided under US military aid.
They were a stopgap between the WW2 vintage Sunderlands and converted Lancasters, until the Avro Shackelton was in service.
Then presumably, the Neptunes were returned to the US.
 
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RE: Did The Royal Air Force Ever Operate The Neptune?

Fri Mar 23, 2007 4:50 am

Did they really ?
Well, my flabber is gasted. They seem to be absent from any book or museum I've ever come across.
thanks for the info !
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RE: Did The Royal Air Force Ever Operate The Neptune?

Fri Mar 23, 2007 3:44 pm

Neptune MR.Mk. 1
As P2V-5, procured by the USAF for
RAF service from 1952-1957.
Produced 1951 - 1952
Lockheed Burbank, California (V)

51-15914 / 51-15965 mixed 426-5028 to 5170
52

Total: 0052

All delivered as:
(RAF) WX493 / WX529
(RAF) WX542 / WX556
P2V-6

The above is a paste from a P-2 Neptune production list.
 
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RE: Did The Royal Air Force Ever Operate The Neptune?

Fri Mar 23, 2007 4:06 pm

 
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RE: Did The Royal Air Force Ever Operate The Neptune?

Fri Mar 23, 2007 5:00 pm

I was going to say that finding photos of RAF Neptunes was very hard, but Saintsman proved me wrong, however, this is from a modellers page;
http://biomicro.sdstate.edu/pederses/ShawEW.html

Some background and context;
http://www.raf.mod.uk/history_old/line1950-59.html
 
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RE: Did The Royal Air Force Ever Operate The Neptune?

Fri Mar 23, 2007 10:40 pm

My Dad participated in the Coronation Review of the RAF by HM Queen Elizabeth II on the 15th July 1953 at RAF Odiham. He took a small number of colour slide photos (some of which are posted on this site) and when I went through them after he died I was surprised to see a couple of photos of Neptunes in RAF colours. Sadly they are just slightly blurred so have not risked an A.Net rejection  Sad

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RE: Did The Royal Air Force Ever Operate The Neptune?

Mon Apr 02, 2007 6:37 pm

There is now a photo of an RAF Lockheed Neptune MR.1 in the database here:


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RE: Did The Royal Air Force Ever Operate The Neptune?

Wed Apr 04, 2007 1:43 am

Nice work Ghostbase, of a type almost forgotten in RAF service.

Interesting to note the cannon armanent, also fitted to the nose of the Shackelton's that replaced the Neptune.
Presumably the advent of nuclear subs, and improved conventional ones too, made the chances of catching one on the surface so unlikely, these guns were deleted from later maritime patrol aircraft.
 
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RE: Did The Royal Air Force Ever Operate The Neptune?

Wed Apr 04, 2007 3:20 am

That's a great photo Ghostbase, thanks for the efforts and for sharing. Certainly something I've never seen before.
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RE: Did The Royal Air Force Ever Operate The Neptune?

Thu Apr 05, 2007 8:30 am

Quoting SkidMarque (Thread starter):
In it, the author states that at the time the Argentinians operated the Lockheed Neptune which, he goes on to say, were the very same aircraft once operated by the RAF themselves !

Indeed, whilst a number of the RAF aircraft were broken up in the UK, others later flew with the Argentines, as well as the Brazillians. Interestingly enough the ones for Argentina were flown out to Woensdrecht in The Netherlands in preparation for their new life in South America.

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RE: Did The Royal Air Force Ever Operate The Neptune?

Thu Apr 05, 2007 12:32 pm

Quoting Ghostbase (Reply 6):
He took a small number of colour slide photos (some of which are posted on this site) and when I went through them after he died I was surprised to see a couple of photos of Neptunes in RAF colours. Sadly they are just slightly blurred so have not risked an A.Net rejection

Try them,

They are rare enough, a little blurriness might not automaticly reject them.

Lets face it, there isn't any chance of another photo of it being taken tommorrow.
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