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Convair XC-99 To Air Force Museum

Tue Apr 03, 2007 3:46 am

I believe that this the same aircraft that used to sit at the gate to (then) Kelly AFB?
http://www.air-and-space.com/xc99.htm

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The XC-99 is being disassembled and shipped to Wright Patterson Air Force Base for restoration. The upper fuselage of the XC-99 has arrived at the Museum of the Air Force. It will all be there soon. No schedule for the re-assembly has been announced.

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RE: Convair XC-99 To Air Force Museum

Tue Apr 03, 2007 4:04 am

Yep. There is only one of them. Moved to the museum a few months back.
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RE: Convair XC-99 To Air Force Museum

Tue Apr 03, 2007 4:54 am

The XC-99 was a converted B-36B, it will need it's own room, as it is the same size as the B-36. I cannot think of where they could put it. I just hope it is not outside.
 
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RE: Convair XC-99 To Air Force Museum

Tue Apr 03, 2007 6:01 am

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 2):
The XC-99 was a converted B-36B, it will need it's own room, as it is the same size as the B-36. I cannot think of where they could put it. I just hope it is not outside.

The Museum already has yet another expansion planned, it should be starting relatively soon.

It will probably take them years to restore that thing from the decades of sitting outside anyway.
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RE: Convair XC-99 To Air Force Museum

Tue Apr 03, 2007 6:05 am

The XC-99 is not a modified B-36, but a unique one off airplane that used the wings, engines (prop only), landing gear, and empennage of the B-36. The XC-99 fuselage is longer, wider, and higher than the B-36's.
This airplane has been sitting outside at Kelly AFB for almost 50 years and its disassembly began about 3 years ago. The empennage, engines and nacelles, flight controls, and now the upper deck are the National Museum of the U.S. Air Force. If you take the behind the scenes tour, which is held on Fridays, you will both the parts of the XC-99 and the Memphis Belle in the restoration shops.
 
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RE: Convair XC-99 To Air Force Museum

Tue Apr 03, 2007 7:16 am

I would love to see this monster. Very glad that it's being restored. There are plenty of planes which have gotten the axe with no regard for history and I'm happy that this was not the case here.
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RE: Convair XC-99 To Air Force Museum

Tue Apr 03, 2007 8:27 am

Quoting HaveBlue (Reply 5):
I would love to see this monster.

Last saw it many years ago in front of Kelly AFB, Texas. I remember seeing a B-36 on static display, but I can't remember whether it was Scott AFB, or Chanute AFB (now closed!). Can anyone help? Are there any other surviving?
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RE: Convair XC-99 To Air Force Museum

Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:17 am

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 6):
I remember seeing a B-36 on static display, but I can't remember whether it was Scott AFB, or Chanute AFB (now closed!).

That Chanute B-36 was moved to the Castle Air Museum adjacent to the now-closed Castle AFB in California.
 
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RE: Convair XC-99 To Air Force Museum

Tue Apr 03, 2007 12:26 pm

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 6):
Last saw it many years ago in front of Kelly AFB, Texas. I remember seeing a B-36 on static display, but I can't remember whether it was Scott AFB, or Chanute AFB (now closed!). Can anyone help? Are there any other surviving?

When I went thru tech school at Chanute (1974) they had a B-36 on static display. I understand it has since been moved but for the life of me I can't remember where it went.
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RE: Convair XC-99 To Air Force Museum

Tue Apr 03, 2007 12:30 pm

Quoting HaveBlue (Reply 5):
I would love to see this monster. Very glad that it's being restored. There are plenty of planes which have gotten the axe with no regard for history and I'm happy that this was not the case here.

Boeing XB-15 and Douglas XB-19 come to mind. Also YB-52 and XB-52, YB-60 and Lockheed Constitution. All of these are noteworthy airplanes but the folks who control the bucks often forget that these birds had or have historical significance.

Just as bad is the practice of painting an airplane up so that it looses its identity and gains a new one. One of the classics that used to be at one of the bases here in San Antonio was the JF-105B; an airplane that was originally built to be a prototype RF-105B. When I last saw the plane, it had been painted in Viet Nam style camouflage and wore "WW" tail code. Obvioulsly all wrong as Wild Weasel F-105s were 2-seaters and the JF-105B was in aluminum over all finish with red trim, during its test life.
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RE: Convair XC-99 To Air Force Museum

Tue Apr 03, 2007 12:32 pm

Quoting EBJ1248650 (Reply 8):
Quoting Lumberton (Reply 6):
Last saw it many years ago in front of Kelly AFB, Texas. I remember seeing a B-36 on static display, but I can't remember whether it was Scott AFB, or Chanute AFB (now closed!). Can anyone help? Are there any other surviving?

The B-36 that was in storage at Ft Worth, TX has now been moved to the Pima Air & Space Museum and is coming along nicely if it hasn't been completely reassembled already.
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RE: Convair XC-99 To Air Force Museum

Tue Apr 03, 2007 6:10 pm

Quoting EBJ1248650 (Reply 9):
All of these are noteworthy airplanes but the folks who control the bucks often forget that these birds had or have historical significance.

Just a question, what exactly is the historical significance of the XC-99? My understanding is that she was an aircraft ahead of her time (ordered in 1942) in that she could transport cargo at a significantly lower cost per ton/mile than any other aircraft of the time and was also the first cargo aircraft ever to lift a full 1000,000 lb payload. However she very rarely flew full so this advantage was not used much. IIRC the XC-99 represented a dead end in aircraft design, there was no clear successor to her which benefitted from the design work or the operating experience associated with this bird. It took the development of the large turboprop and the consequent creation of the Douglas C-133 Cargomaster and An-22 types in the mid to late 50's before the XC-99 standards were achieved again. I understand that the C-133 had quite a difficult development period.

Not being critical of the XC-99; I saw it outside Kelly AFB in 1987 in quite a poor condition, a very impressive machine, and really pleased that she has been saved. However, there is always a finite amount of resources available for aircraft preservation and the decision to spend money and time on the XC-99 perhaps means that something else has had to be ignored or even scrapped.

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RE: Convair XC-99 To Air Force Museum

Wed Apr 04, 2007 12:47 am

Quoting Ghostbase (Reply 11):
Not being critical of the XC-99; I saw it outside Kelly AFB in 1987 in quite a poor condition, a very impressive machine, and really pleased that she has been saved. However, there is always a finite amount of resources available for aircraft preservation and the decision to spend money and time on the XC-99 perhaps means that something else has had to be ignored or even scrapped.

Its being restored by the USAF museum.. they don't especially care what a project costs, if its signifigant in any way shape or form they will restore and preserve it.
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RE: Convair XC-99 To Air Force Museum

Fri Apr 05, 2013 3:10 am

I can't believe this thread is still open for reply! I just ran across mention of the XC-99 today while I was checking on something else; spent half the afternoon reading about it on 4 or 5 different web sites.

First of all, much has changed since the above posts were made; yes, the A/C that used to be at Kelly AFB is the same A/C that was dis-assembled and flown to Wright-Patterson in a C-5A; yes, there was a plan to restore it; actually, some of the work was even completed. But apparently, some time in the past few years, the "plan" fell through. Even then they were still intending to restore the thing, but the parts that were sitting outside in the weather for a few years at Wright-Pat were getting in progressively worse condition because of corrosion, so they flew all of those parts to Davis-Monthan in Arizona so they could at least store them under much more favorable climatic conditions.

After that, from what I could gather, the whole effort became, I guess you could say, "FUBAR". It was an incredibly interesting thing to read about, mainly because having grown up quite close to Wright-Pat, I had been lucky enough to have seen the B-36 airborne on several occasions. ( but I had never heard about the XC-99, which, as "Broke" (in reply #4) correctly states, it's not a "modified" B-36, but rather a whole new airplane that used many of the B-36's parts.)

Before I stumbled onto the piece about the XC-99, we had spent an hour or more taking the "virtual tour" of the B-36 that they have at the AF Museum; ( yeah, I know all about the new "big" name, but I have been going to the place ever since they first started it "up the road" at "old" Patterson Field. ) When you have called something by the same name for "that" long, and when you're as old as I am, you're much less inclined to worry about "big long fancy new names" and keep on calling the place the same thing you always have. ( So sue me! )

If anyone reading this is interested in what the inside of a B-36 looks like, you really will be amazed ! I first heard about all of this about a month ago, when I took a "screen shot" of the flight deck of the Museum's B-29; they said then that it was a "work in progress"...........it has "progressed" a hell of a lot since then ! It's almost like actually being in the airplane; you just keep moving the mouse and "scrolling", and you can look in any direction, even up or down; I only picked the B-36 to look through, but there were a couple of dozen other A/C that have been added to the "virtual tour" since I first ran across it, plus it's the first time I had EVER heard about the XC-99. ( Still can't figure that one out...)

Now that I found this thread still open I guess maybe I should start a new thread just to get people to find this one.

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RE: Convair XC-99 To Air Force Museum

Fri Apr 05, 2013 3:44 am

NMUSAF cockpits here:
http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/virtualtour/cockpits.asp

The posts from jetstar about the 28-cylinder R-4360 engines here:
Any Airworthy R-4360 Wasp Major Engines? (by CrimsonNL May 13 2012 in Tech Ops)
... go well with this discussion.

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