|Quoting FlyUSCG (Reply 3):|
Well I can't speak for all their reasons, but I do know that getting larger helo's isn't always practical. The HH-60 as it is already produces hurricane force winds in a hover. At a certain point, the rotor wash just becomes too great and will hinder the rescue. And then I'm sure economics come into factor. The USCG doing more than most with less than everyone.
Lack of funding is the major hindrance of all Coast Guard capital spending. It's been that way since the 1970's, and it probably was a major driver before then as well.
When you take lack of funding with incompetent leadership, you have a recipe for disaster.
The Bear class cutters are a disgrace. The Coast Guard was given a choice - get the cutter with the capabilities you really need but fewer of them in number versus a less capable cutter in the quantities you want, and the Coast Guard predictably took the latter, leaving them with a cutter that can't operate in the north Pacific or Bering Sea. Really stupid, but that was just one of a long line of stupid procurement/engineering decisions.
Don't want to forget the 1980's midlife rebuild of the the existing High Endurance Cutters. Some really brilliant people said "let's upgrade the weapons systems, the electronics, and the habitability of these cutters, and leave the main engines alone." Which has turned out to be a serious blunder, as there is at least one 378 cutter that hasn't been able to complete a patrol for over 2 years owing to serious problems with the main propulsion plant, and every one of the other 11 cutters has experienced significant problems over the last decade.
Next let's consider the Dauphin and the Falcon. When it was delivered, the crews immediately complained about the lack of power, and shortly thereafter, had to contend with serious corrosion problems because "surprise," the aircraft actually got wet! The CG should have gone to Congress immediately and asked for money to install proper engines on the Falcon, but didn't. The Falcon was so unreliable - again, because of a shortsighted engine choice - that we used to joke that the CG version of the missing man formation was one plane and three empty slots, because most of the Falcon air stations in the 80's were lucky to have one of their birds out four in a operating condition. A/S Sacramento in particular had some notorious hangar queens.
Back to ships. the 110 patrol boat is an amazing cutter, but early on, crews noted that the structural integrity was less than ideal when compared to the 82' and 95' class they replaced. In other words, they simply weren't going to last as long. So what did the mental giants in CGHQ decide to do as part of Deepwater? Cut them in half and add 13 feet! And the result? Every one of the converted cutters have been ordered to remain at the dock until the serious hull fracture problem is solved.
And of course we have the spectacle of the new National Security Cutter being delivered with - oh yes, structural integrity problems! Problems that the Coast Guard engineers noted almost 3 years ago. And the response of the Coast Guard leadership? Let's just keep giving Lockheed Martin more money.
My sources tell me that more Congressional oversight is on the way, and not a moment too soon.
The sad part is, someone ought to be court martialled, but most likely no one will be held accountable.
|Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 4):|
There are, and have been larger helo choices for the USCG to use. But, the problem, for the USCG is it is not part of DOD, thus cannot get all the money it needs.
True. But the problem is, the Coast Guard rarely asks for the money it needs.
|Quoting L-188 (Reply 10):|
I am not sure about the Haley, She might be able to take a Jayhawk, I am pretty sure that all the Bears can't----What an f'ing lemon.
See above. You actually have a good idea. We should paint the entire Bear class a pleasing shade of lemon yellow.
|Quoting L-188 (Reply 10):|
I have a dirty little secret, most of these rescue missions aren't being flown from ships, they are being flown from either Air Station Kodiak or Sitka, or from a forward land based civilian airfield. About the last time I can think of a helo launched from a USCG ship making the news during a rescue was during the Saleydang-Ayu (SPL) wreck-the USCG lost a Jayhawk on that run. It was making runs to the Alex Haley and winching surviors down to her helo deck. The HH-65 from the Haley was also flying in that operation.
So since these missions are being flow from land based fields, I don't think the ability to land on ship is a major consideration in this case.
Bingo. CG helos routinely hopscotch the Aleutians and the Bering Sea from Kodiak.
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