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F-22 At National Museum Of The U.S. Air Force

Wed May 09, 2007 9:47 pm

The National Museum of the U.S. Air Force has acquired one of the nine development F-22's. The aircraft is currently in the restoration shops and can be seem during the behind the scenes tour.
It will go on display later this year. I am guessing it will go into the Kettering Cold War Gallery.
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RE: F-22 At National Museum Of The U.S. Air Force

Wed May 09, 2007 11:43 pm

Looking at your link it was interesting to see what else they were restoring, the Memphis Belle and Yf-23 and the X-32, if I lived in the Dayton area I would be volunteering to help restore those acft.
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RE: F-22 At National Museum Of The U.S. Air Force

Thu May 10, 2007 12:22 am

I need to take an afternoon here sometime and visit the museum. I usually spend an afternoon every few years at the musuem....if you're close you have to visit....
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RE: F-22 At National Museum Of The U.S. Air Force

Thu May 10, 2007 1:42 am

To be a volunteer at the Museum, you have to take what openings are available at the time. You can ask for restoration, but keep in mind that the folks at restoration work one weekday a week. Because of my work schedule and distance from the Museum, I'm there one day a month on a weekend day as a docent.
We are in need of more volunteers due to attrition and expansion. In addition, another building is in the works and the Museum will need about an additional 150 volunteers to support it properly.
 
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RE: F-22 At National Museum Of The U.S. Air Force

Thu May 10, 2007 12:45 pm

Is it actually a F-22, or is it a YF-22? In the end the F-22 is considerably different from the YF-22 (although to the untrained eye they would look the same). This is partly why the F-22 has taken so long to develop... to give it time to be changed.
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RE: F-22 At National Museum Of The U.S. Air Force

Thu May 10, 2007 1:36 pm

Probably one of the low rate production models. The YF-22 only had 2 airframes made, Broke mentioned it was 1 of 9 they were getting.

I would love to see the YF-23 and X-32. I was rooting for both those A/C to win their respective competitions.
 
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RE: F-22 At National Museum Of The U.S. Air Force

Thu May 10, 2007 9:02 pm

The Museum has had a YF-22 on display in the Modern Flight Hangar since 2001, if my memory is working.  Smile
The new airplane is a F-22.
As an aside, the Museum's YF-22 was the GE powered airplane during the fly before buy competition. The P&WA powered airplane crashed during a demonstration flight after the competition results had been announced. The Museum had to get two F-119's and fabricate their own engine change tooling in order to replace the GE engines with the P&WA F-119's.
 
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RE: F-22 At National Museum Of The U.S. Air Force

Thu May 10, 2007 11:49 pm

Quoting Broke (Reply 6):
The Museum had to get two F-119's and fabricate their own engine change tooling in order to replace the GE engines with the P&WA F-119's.

I dont understand why they wanted to change it.
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RE: F-22 At National Museum Of The U.S. Air Force

Sat May 12, 2007 12:31 am

Quoting Broke (Reply 6):
The Museum has had a YF-22 on display in the Modern Flight Hangar since 2001, if my memory is working. Smile
The new airplane is a F-22.

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RE: F-22 At National Museum Of The U.S. Air Force

Sat May 12, 2007 2:59 am

The purpose of the engine change on the Museum's YF-22 from GE to P&WA was to make it closer to the production configuration instead of being completely correct in its original configuration. Again I am guessing, but I would think that the YF-22 will go to another museum once the F-22 goes on display. We used to have the no. 4 B-1A (which is the only surviving B-1A) and that airplane went elsewhere once the Museum acquired a B-1B.
The Museum used to have a KB-50 and a WB-50; the KB-50 went elsewhere and we kept the WB-50. I have met several ex-KB-50 crew members who were not happy about the museum giving away "their" airplane.
Even with the impressive size of the Museum, sometime decisions are made to remove an airplane in the interest of space and there is a lot of trading between museums for desired airplanes.
 
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RE: F-22 At National Museum Of The U.S. Air Force

Sat May 12, 2007 5:26 am

Odd question here? Is there a place that has videos of some of the aircraft landing on the musuem runway? I saw bits and pieces on the local news when the B1-B arrived....
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RE: F-22 At National Museum Of The U.S. Air Force

Sat May 12, 2007 6:14 am

Did they ever take any pictures of the YF-22 and the F-22 together for a visual comparison?
 
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RE: F-22 At National Museum Of The U.S. Air Force

Thu May 17, 2007 11:05 am

Quoting Broke (Reply 9):
The purpose of the engine change on the Museum's YF-22 from GE to P&WA was to make it closer to the production configuration instead of being completely correct in its original configuration. Again I am guessing, but I would think that the YF-22 will go to another museum once the F-22 goes on display. We used to have the no. 4 B-1A (which is the only surviving B-1A) and that airplane went elsewhere once the Museum acquired a B-1B.
The Museum used to have a KB-50 and a WB-50; the KB-50 went elsewhere and we kept the WB-50. I have met several ex-KB-50 crew members who were not happy about the museum giving away "their" airplane.
Even with the impressive size of the Museum, sometime decisions are made to remove an airplane in the interest of space and there is a lot of trading between museums for desired airplanes.

I believe the Strategic Air & Space Museum (formerly the SAC Museum) got that final B-1A.
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